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January 30, 2012 2:21:18 AM

I had asked this question earlier this week but I only got one response and I was hoping for a little more input.
Here's what what I'm thinking about building:

-ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
-SAPPHIRE FleX 100314FLEX Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
-AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor
-G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR (x2)
-COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RS800-80GAD3-US 800W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Gold
-Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MKNSSDCR120GB-DX 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
-COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler
-I also have a 1TB WD Cavier Black

Ok...Now my question. I am planning to overclock the CPU to 4.0 Ghz. I am wondering if I will create a bottleneck with the graphics card. I cannot afford a 6970 or higher card. I can afford a 6950 but I was hoping to save a few bucks. I cannot afford to crossfire just yet either, but may in the future. If I do, will I need to buy a bigger PSU? Also, is it ok to crossfire at a later date?

Please do not turn this into a debate between Intel and AMD CPUs. Or a debate between Radeon and Nvidia. I dont mind budging so much on the graphics card type, but I really want to build an AMD system, and kind of wanted a Scorpius platform which is why I chose Radeon. I appreciate all the input y'all can provide. Thank you so much for all your help.

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January 30, 2012 2:28:50 AM

Honestly, I would not waste the $ on an FX. The Phenom is a better investment. Games do not utilize anywhere near 8 cores. The quad-core phenom is a better choice.
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January 30, 2012 2:59:21 AM



Approximate Purchase Date: Hopefully by Feb. 02, 2012

Budget Range: (e.g.: 600-800) 1000-1500

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Lighting and Sound design, Photoshop, web design...Hence the FX 8 core

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, tower

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Country: US

Parts Preferences: I would like to use an AMD CPU & Radeon GPU

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Parts list with links:

-ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-SAPPHIRE FleX 100314FLEX Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR (x2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RS800-80GAD3-US 800W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Gold http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MKNSSDCR120GB-DX 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-I also have a 1TB WD Cavier Black http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 30, 2012 3:01:00 AM

If you are building this Pc for gaming then you will always hear the fact that Sandy Bridge is getter at gaming then AMD and you shouldn't resrtict yourself that way , but it is your computer and you certianly can put in it what you want.
I know that your were hopeing to save a few bucks but with gaming the better the video card the better the gaming performance so if you can squeeze in the 6950 then you will be a lot better off when you over clock your cpu.
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January 30, 2012 3:04:23 AM

You can save alot of money on a lower mobo and cpu.

Which you could use for a better graphics card.
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January 30, 2012 3:17:25 AM

neal0790 said:
You can save alot of money on a lower mobo and cpu.

Which you could use for a better graphics card.


I should add that I do not intend to build/rebuild my comp every few years. I wish to have this comp for at least 5 years upgrading the memory and graphics card as needed. Thank you though for your opinion.
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January 30, 2012 3:18:02 AM

AMD FX-8120 Zambezi 3.1GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8120FRGUBOX
$199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With the $70 saved from this cpu you can get the 6950 and still have a 8 core cpu. You do know that in gaming you will use a maximum of 4 cores.
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January 30, 2012 3:22:32 AM

inzone said:
AMD FX-8120 Zambezi 3.1GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8120FRGUBOX
$199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With the $70 saved from this cpu you can get the 6950 and still have a 8 core cpu. You do know that in gaming you will use a maximum of 4 cores.


Yes I do. But with the design work I do from time to time I will eventually utilize all the cores. Thanks. I am strongly considering that graphics card you linked. I have a $150.00 gift card, and I'll probably end up with a 2GB GPU, but I wanted to see if I could get away with the 6870 and upgrade it about a year. Right now I'm out of work and can't afford anything too expensive, but job prospects are looking up.
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January 30, 2012 3:25:42 AM

1 GB of VRAM at 1080p is what I recommend. It is because 2GB VRAM mostly makes a difference at higher resolutions.
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January 30, 2012 3:27:45 AM

azeem40 said:
1 GB of VRAM at 1080p is what I recommend. It is because 2GB VRAM mostly makes a difference at higher resolutions.


Thank you azeem. I did not realize that.
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January 30, 2012 3:28:55 AM

Well you do have to work within your budget and being out of work makes it tough to choose what to do and you want to get the best that you can for the budget that you have.
Good luck with your build.
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January 30, 2012 3:37:05 AM

That is a pretty powerful card. No doubt about it, however, if your max is $1500, I am sure you can fit an AMD 7970.
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January 30, 2012 3:39:42 AM

It's a nice looking card and I do disagree with the 2gb being only for higher resolutions , if you do graphical designs then the 2gb will come in handy for your work.
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January 30, 2012 3:41:40 AM

azeem40 said:
That is a pretty powerful card. No doubt about it, however, if your max is $1500, I am sure you can fit an AMD 7970.

As my parts listing about site right now (a couple of extras) it sits at 1,200. But I did buy the hard drive, monitor and OS off ebay and so I am sitting at just about 1,500. I'm willing to go slightly over, but not a 7970 price over. That is one bad ass card though.
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January 30, 2012 3:43:46 AM

You should go for Phenom instead of the FX series CPU. Try to wait for few more days to check new prices for the AMD6+++ series GPU. The chances are price dropping due to the 7970 series. Maybe you should think about 7970 gpu instead of the older one!
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January 30, 2012 3:47:49 AM

tiang said:
You should go for Phenom instead of the FX series CPU. Try to wait for few more days to check new prices for the AMD6+++ series GPU. The chances are price dropping due to the 7970 series. Maybe you should think about 7970 gpu instead of the older one!

No offense to you guys on the 7970, but I find it real difficult to spend over $500 on a graphics card. If work were rock solid and steady right now, I would consider it. Right now though, I just cannot afford it. Thanks for the input though. It is appreciated.
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January 30, 2012 4:03:18 AM

why AMD with that budget????
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January 30, 2012 4:06:01 AM

That is fine. 7970 is pretty sweet, but it's not like it's required. If you want the 6950, go for it. I am pretty sure it can be BIOS flashed to a 6970s performance. However, if you're not wanting to risk it, get the 6970 for $320 if you want. The 6950 is just fine though.

On the AMD CPU, I have to agree with tiang on Phenom over FX. The performance/price and performance/core is better.
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January 30, 2012 4:18:46 AM

don't you think that he can build an intel pc with that budget?
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January 30, 2012 4:19:42 AM

azeem40 said:
That is fine. 7970 is pretty sweet, but it's not like it's required. If you want the 6950, go for it. I am pretty sure it can be BIOS flashed to a 6970s performance. However, if you're not wanting to risk it, get the 6970 for $320 if you want. The 6950 is just fine though.

On the AMD CPU, I have to agree with tiang on Phenom over FX. The performance/price and performance/core is better.

I multi-task a lot though, even while gaming. I don't play FPS, I play RPGs and strategy mostly. I used to play WoW, but I'm going to be switching to SWTOR here soon. I like to look stuff up on the internet, hell sometimes I even web design and other crap while playing if I'm not busy in game. To me, it would be nice to have those extra 4 floating cores to do all this other stuff while I'm in game, but I could be wrong.
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January 30, 2012 4:22:43 AM

hellfire24 said:
don't you think that he can build an intel pc with that budget?

I've read online that AMD is better for multi-tasking than Intel. The reason I also dont go Intel is because of the motherboard. I want that Sabertooth motherboard. The similar Intel one is only compatible with the i7 chipset. There is one for the i5 but it does not have the same specs.
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January 30, 2012 4:32:07 AM

Ehh...my mistake the i5 Sabertooth has that weird looking shield thing that goes on it to make Sabertooth like...I don't like that. And on new egg the i7 is over $300 and the Sabertooth motherboard for the i7 is also over $300.
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January 30, 2012 4:43:11 AM

but you should go intel... its the best in the world... not only is it better than AMD... it will wash your cloths and do your dishes.

if you train an intel just right... it will get a job for you.

also, the intel comes with magic dust that you can spread all over your house that will attract women that you could never have without it.

and... did you know... NOS (popular in drag racing) developed a special thermal paste for only Intel chips that will boost them over 50% without overclocking?

as a bonus... Intel will break up with your girlfriend for you.

Just some thoughts. :pt1cable: 
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January 30, 2012 4:46:05 AM

both the i7 and the i5 are the same socket. Either one would work in the boards you are looking at if the boards are 1155 socket.

Link to the boards so this can be confirmed. I am assuming the cpus you are talking about are the i5 2500k and the i7 2600k base off the price.
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January 30, 2012 4:49:48 AM

CPU -> Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard -> ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.86 @ Newegg)

Memory -> Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($24.99 @ Newegg)

Hard Drive -> Hitachi 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card -> Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($152.55 @ Newegg)

Case -> NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($33.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply -> Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($41.98 @ Newegg)

Total: $653.35


50 dollars over budget but i think worth it- if you ever want to crossfire your going to need a more powerful powersupply though. Like 650 to 700 watts-possible this one ? OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performance Power Supply like 20 dollars more after rebate then the 500 watt power supply
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January 30, 2012 4:53:24 AM

subrata his budget is roughly 1000.00 so you don't have to skimp so much.
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January 30, 2012 4:59:48 AM

thesnappyfingers said:
both the i7 and the i5 are the same socket. Either one would work in the boards you are looking at if the boards are 1155 socket.

Link to the boards so this can be confirmed. I am assuming the cpus you are talking about are the i5 2500k and the i7 2600k base off the price.

Yes you are correct after a second look. it is the i7-3600 that has the more expensive board. Still that I do not like the shielding used on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for the i5/i7. To me it's Sabertooth-like, but not the real deal if that makes sense.
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January 30, 2012 5:01:38 AM

You can remove it.

here are temp analysis with and without the shroud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4VpTBWm1LI

I still would recommend intel build especially for gaming, but you can do as you wish. Even if you could not get that MOBO, I would just pick up a z68 mobo from gigabyte. The asrock gen3 extreme 3 is also fine. That is the mobo i currently have and have overclocked my cpu to 4.5 very easily.
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January 30, 2012 5:07:52 AM

AMD is better for nothing in comparison to intel.ehy sabretooth board?there is a p67 mobo which can be used for any 1155 cpu.
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January 30, 2012 5:27:08 AM

hellfire24 said:
AMD is better for nothing in comparison to intel.ehy sabretooth board?there is a p67 mobo which can be used for any 1155 cpu.



lol you crack me up.

If I had 20 million at my disposal... and had a choice of two cars and two cars only...

the Vector Avtech WX-3 or a 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge


I would take the Pontiac...

why... because I like it.


not because one is better than the other... not because its faster... or it might get more women... or it comes with magic dust to grow a bean stalk to heaven... but because I like it.


But you... no... it wouldnt mater... you'd take the Vector... for bragging rights. Its very clear.
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January 30, 2012 5:27:41 AM

hellfire24 said:
AMD is better for nothing in comparison to intel.ehy sabretooth board?there is a p67 mobo which can be used for any 1155 cpu.

We're getting beside the point. This is starting to turn into an AMD vs Intel debate. My main concern is the the graphics card. I understand the benefit of Intel when it comes to gaming, but after much of my own deliberation I decided I would rather go with AMD. I am not trying to be rude and I am not a "fanboy" to either company since I am new to building. I also understand that probably all of you know a lot more about CPUs than I do, and I much appreciate your concern. This computer will be used for a lot more that just gaming, but I am concerned with bottlenecking the graphics card since I will game some. If I need to step up to a 6950/better Nvidia card I will. I humbly await your opinions, but as for right now I am heading to bed. I look forward to more discussion tomorrow. Thank you all so much.
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January 30, 2012 5:37:04 AM

omegajinx said:
We're getting beside the point. This is starting to turn into an AMD vs Intel debate. My main concern is the the graphics card. I understand the benefit of Intel when it comes to gaming, but after much of my own deliberation I decided I would rather go with AMD. I am not trying to be rude and I am not a "fanboy" to either company since I am new to building. I also understand that probably all of you know a lot more about CPUs than I do, and I much appreciate your concern. This computer will be used for a lot more that just gaming, but I am concerned with bottlenecking the graphics card since I will game some. If I need to step up to a 6950/better Nvidia card I will. I humbly await your opinions, but as for right now I am heading to bed. I look forward to more discussion tomorrow. Thank you all so much.


I would give you a thumbs up if there was one...

Has nothing to do with who is better... but what satisfies you, and you alone.
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January 30, 2012 5:37:43 AM

good night :) 
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January 30, 2012 5:45:18 AM

The extra cores won't make a big difference for multitasking. Ram is the decider of that. You have 8gb of ram, which is enough for multitasking. Honestly, I won't try to convince you to hop to intel. I understand prefer different things. Good luck with your build.
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January 30, 2012 5:46:46 AM

The extra cores won't make a big difference for multitasking. Ram is the decider of that. You have 8gb of ram, which is enough for multitasking. Honestly, I won't try to convince you to hop to intel. I understand prefer different things. Good luck with your build.
One more thing, if you oc your cpu, you won't bottleneck.
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January 30, 2012 6:16:58 AM
January 30, 2012 6:32:36 AM

@subrata,hahahaha.it's just like comparing a veyron(intel) with gallardo(amd).
a gtx 580 will beat a 6970.2500k beats fx and 2600k no comparison.
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January 30, 2012 2:53:46 PM

When you start going with 4 cores and up to 8 cores and hyperthreading and hrpertransport they are all going to do the job and if you get cought up in which is better then you will never get your Pc built.
For what you do for work and for gaming you will be better off with a stong powerflf video card and right now there are two choices , the GTX 580 and the AMD 7970. Because the 7970 was just released it will cost more than the 580 and you can actually get a 580 for right around $400 because of the sales and rebates.
You could get the 8 core AMD and the GTX 580 and have a powerful work and play machine.
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January 30, 2012 3:18:51 PM

inzone said:
When you start going with 4 cores and up to 8 cores and hyperthreading and hrpertransport they are all going to do the job and if you get cought up in which is better then you will never get your Pc built.
For what you do for work and for gaming you will be better off with a stong powerflf video card and right now there are two choices , the GTX 580 and the AMD 7970. Because the 7970 was just released it will cost more than the 580 and you can actually get a 580 for right around $400 because of the sales and rebates.
You could get the 8 core AMD and the GTX 580 and have a powerful work and play machine.



its like no one is paying attention and reading the thread... hes clearly stated he is going with AMD, yet even after the fact... clowns are still bringing up intel.

its like no one can read. lol

Im to the point of suggesting he just invest in an old TRS-80 and be done with it. lol :pt1cable: 



again... hes going with AMD...

omegajinx said:
We're getting beside the point. This is starting to turn into an AMD vs Intel debate. My main concern is the the graphics card. I understand the benefit of Intel when it comes to gaming, but after much of my own deliberation I decided I would rather go with AMD. I am not trying to be rude and I am not a "fanboy" to either company since I am new to building. I also understand that probably all of you know a lot more about CPUs than I do, and I much appreciate your concern. This computer will be used for a lot more that just gaming, but I am concerned with bottlenecking the graphics card since I will game some. If I need to step up to a 6950/better Nvidia card I will. I humbly await your opinions, but as for right now I am heading to bed. I look forward to more discussion tomorrow. Thank you all so much.

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January 30, 2012 4:06:43 PM

inzone said:
AMD FX-8120 Zambezi 3.1GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8120FRGUBOX
$199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With the $70 saved from this cpu you can get the 6950 and still have a 8 core cpu. You do know that in gaming you will use a maximum of 4 cores.

I am considering going with this processor and possibly even an FX-6100 to save and get a much better GPU. Is the only difference between the 8120 and 8150 just the stock clock speed? I've been looking and that is really the only difference I can find. Thank you guys for your concern, but the Intel/AMD decision is not something I took lightly. I have been weighing the i5 versus FX since November. I'd still rather go with AMD in hopes that Windows 8 will ultimately make better use of the FX architecture.
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January 30, 2012 5:40:46 PM

omegajinx said:
I am considering going with this processor and possibly even an FX-6100 to save and get a much better GPU. Is the only difference between the 8120 and 8150 just the stock clock speed? I've been looking and that is really the only difference I can find. Thank you guys for your concern, but the Intel/AMD decision is not something I took lightly. I have been weighing the i5 versus FX since November. I'd still rather go with AMD in hopes that Windows 8 will ultimately make better use of the FX architecture.



Im still R&Ding my decision on my new build... brand new Case, Power supply, DVD Burners and Operating system is just sitting on on a bench waiting for something for me to do to it. lol
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January 30, 2012 7:20:37 PM

omegajinx said:
I am considering going with this processor and possibly even an FX-6100 to save and get a much better GPU. Is the only difference between the 8120 and 8150 just the stock clock speed? I've been looking and that is really the only difference I can find. Thank you guys for your concern, but the Intel/AMD decision is not something I took lightly. I have been weighing the i5 versus FX since November. I'd still rather go with AMD in hopes that Windows 8 will ultimately make better use of the FX architecture.



As far as I can see that is the only difference because they both have 8 cores and since they both will overclock the starting point is different , you can start at 3.7 with the 8150 or at 3.1 with the 8120. If you look at all of the cpu's you will see that both Intel and AMD do the same thing they release cpu's that have the same amount of cores yet they have different starting speeds and so they change a little more for the higher the speed.
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January 30, 2012 7:29:35 PM

biscuitasylum said:
its like no one is paying attention and reading the thread... hes clearly stated he is going with AMD, yet even after the fact... clowns are still bringing up intel.

its like no one can read. lol

Im to the point of suggesting he just invest in an old TRS-80 and be done with it. lol :pt1cable: 



again... hes going with AMD...



I don't know why you are quoting my post and saying that I'm telling the OP to go with Intel , The post clearly states that he has a choice between NVIDIA and AMD for V I D E O CA R D S and NOT CPU'S and if you actually read the post you would see that I am telling him that since he is going with the 8 C O R E he should be choosing between the two video cards.

READ AND UNDERSTAND THE POST BEFORE YOU ATTACK IT !!! :non:  :pfff:  :pfff: 
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January 30, 2012 9:11:03 PM

inzone said:
I don't know why you are quoting my post and saying that I'm telling the OP to go with Intel , The post clearly states that he has a choice between NVIDIA and AMD for V I D E O CA R D S and NOT CPU'S and if you actually read the post you would see that I am telling him that since he is going with the 8 C O R E he should be choosing between the two video cards.

READ AND UNDERSTAND THE POST BEFORE YOU ATTACK IT !!! :non:  :pfff:  :pfff: 



Or how bout you read and understand my post before assuming something and start jumping to conclusions.

I wasnt attacking your post.

I was agreeing with your "if you get cought up in which is better then you will never get your Pc built."

Sheesh, its like Im surrounded by a bunch of children in these forums. :non: 
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January 30, 2012 9:57:44 PM

Not when you don't explain why the post was quoted , all you had to do was say that in your post and there would have been no confusion. You have to remember that only what is typed out in the post is what we see and it's not like having a real conversation. Your post would have been better without the quote of my post.
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January 30, 2012 10:05:20 PM

inzone said:
Not when you don't explain why the post was quoted , all you had to do was say that in your post and there would have been no confusion. You have to remember that only what is typed out in the post is what we see and it's not like having a real conversation. Your post would have been better without the quote of my post.



Its okay Inzone... i quoted your post, because i was talking directly to you. but i can understand the confusion... I should have separated the "hes going with AMD" in another post. I knew you weren't saying intel.. you mentioned nothing of intel. lol

I just get so annoyed at people who dont read what people are asking and insist on something rather than just filling the persons request.

Intel people turn me off of more intel products, than the actual products themselves.
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