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Anonymous
August 23, 2005 2:35:21 AM

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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050817-5218.html

Blu-ray wins two more backers, while HD DVD looks doomed

Lions Gate Home Entertainment (LGHE), a division of Lions Gate
Entertainment (NYSE: LGF; Toronto), announced today that it will
release content on the new high definition Blu-ray Disc format. As part
of its cooperation with the Blu-ray Disc Association, LGHE will begin
releasing new films, TV programming and other titles from the company's
vast library in that format when Blu-ray hardware launches in North
America.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, Twentieth Century Fox, and Buena
Vista Home Entertainment (Disney) were all previously on board.
Meanwhile, Paramount Pictures has put their HD DVD plans on hold, and
NBC Universal has scaled back their release plans for the holiday.
Among the big hitters in the computing industry, Apple, Dell, Sony
(obviously), HP, and Philips (among others) remain committed to
Blu-ray. HD DVD's backing is considerably weaker, although Microsoft's
role in HD DVD remains unclear. Warner Brothers, New Line Cinema, and
Universal Pictures are still officially supporting HD DVD. For now.
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 4:12:03 PM

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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message

> Right now if I had to bet on one to win, I'd reluctantly bet on Blu-ray.
> The upside is it means Sony will deeply subsidize the cost of my HD DVD
> player by selling me a PS3 at a huge loss to them -- something no
> standalone Blu-ray player manufacturer would do in a million years. Thanks
> Sony!

Yeah, but the point's moot since your TV probably doesn't support HDCP. :( 
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 6:00:40 PM

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It is an INCREDIBLY SLOW time of year when someone goes off and says
how one next generation of DVD is better than another, just
coincidentaly the position favoring Sony.

So, again, the question remains: Was Blig released by Sony on the
world, or did he escape on his own?

- Richard Hutnk
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Anonymous
August 23, 2005 11:01:45 PM

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It is just a statement of simple fact. Blu-Ray is gaining more and more
support while the small support the HD-DVD had is actually decreasing
and getting smaller, with the few big supporters actually backpedaling
now. There is no reason to get upset. Oh wait. You are an xflop
fanfairy. OK, yes there is a reason for you to get upset. Strange to
see you can't even spell your own name.

richardhutnik@hotmail.com wrote:
> It is an INCREDIBLY SLOW time of year when someone goes off and says
> how one next generation of DVD is better than another, just
> coincidentaly the position favoring Sony.
>
> So, again, the question remains: Was Blig released by Sony on the
> world, or did he escape on his own?
>
> - Richard Hutnk
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 11:02:05 PM

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It is just a statement of simple fact. Blu-Ray is gaining more and more
support while the small support the HD-DVD had is actually decreasing
and getting smaller, with the few big supporters actually backpedaling
now. There is no reason to get upset. Oh wait. You are an xflop
fanfairy. OK, yes there is a reason for you to get upset. Strange to
see you can't even spell your own name.

richardhutnik@hotmail.com wrote:
> It is an INCREDIBLY SLOW time of year when someone goes off and says
> how one next generation of DVD is better than another, just
> coincidentaly the position favoring Sony.
>
> So, again, the question remains: Was Blig released by Sony on the
> world, or did he escape on his own?
>
> - Richard Hutnk
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 1:00:20 AM

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Blig, it is called a typo jerkass, and hitting post before I fixed it.
Well, here ya go. Proof positive you have so little of a life, that
you have an obsession over the format next generation consoles will be
in, in addition to how people spell their name. Well, Bilg Mrek, who
gives a flying iota. Next gen is going to be won or lost on marketing,
titles, and distribution of systems. End of story, not whether or not
it will play the small sliver of new movies coming out in a new format.

So, Bilg Mrek, you do need to SERIOUSLY get a life. You do.

- Richard Hutnik
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 5:38:24 AM

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Fred Liken wrote:

> Yeah, but the point's moot since your TV probably doesn't support
> HDCP. :( 

If Blu-ray and HD-DVD do end up using HDCP, I guess it'll piss off people
who bought their HDTVs in the window between the introduction of DVI and the
introduction of HDCP. (Un)luckily my "ancient" 2002 HDTV uses component
inputs and not HDMI (or even DVI -- I jumped the gun with my purchase by
about six months), so like you said, in my case it's all moot anyway. :)  I
think a TV upgrade is in my future sometime in the next year or so anyway.

-Z-
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 9:37:12 AM

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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
news:o t2dnZ2dnZ21HYaHnZ2dnVe-kd6dnZ2dRVn-zp2dnZ0@giganews.com...
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but the point's moot since your TV probably doesn't support
>> HDCP. :( 
>
> If Blu-ray and HD-DVD do end up using HDCP, I guess it'll piss off people
> who bought their HDTVs in the window between the introduction of DVI and
> the introduction of HDCP.


So even though my HDTV has a DVI input it may not be HDCP compatible?



(Un)luckily my "ancient" 2002 HDTV uses component
> inputs and not HDMI (or even DVI -- I jumped the gun with my purchase by
> about six months), so like you said, in my case it's all moot anyway. :) 
> I think a TV upgrade is in my future sometime in the next year or so
> anyway.
>
> -Z-
>
>
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 1:42:03 PM

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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message

> Fred Liken wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but the point's moot since your TV probably doesn't support
>> HDCP. :( 
>
> If Blu-ray and HD-DVD do end up using HDCP, I guess it'll piss off people
> who bought their HDTVs in the window between the introduction of DVI and
> the introduction of HDCP. (Un)luckily my "ancient" 2002 HDTV uses
> component inputs and not HDMI (or even DVI -- I jumped the gun with my
> purchase by about six months), so like you said, in my case it's all moot
> anyway. :)  I think a TV upgrade is in my future sometime in the next year
> or so anyway.

You'd be in the minority of proud owners of a HDTV that then find out their
new HD XBox/PS3 doesn't give them HD quality from those movies. Boo hoo
hoo.... :( 

Component won't help.
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 2:15:01 PM

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"RKRM" <rkrm@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message

> So even though my HDTV has a DVI input it may not be HDCP compatible?

Yes, that's true. You probably need to just check your owner's manual, or
post your model number and someone might know. So far, I don't think the
computer monitors have it at all, for the most part.

"...HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc players will only output full-resolution signals
using HDCP. If such a player is connected to a non-HDCP-enabled TV, the
player will either output a downsampled 480p signal or nothing. Since few
such TV sets are in use, this effectively negates the purpose of HD-DVD and
Blu-ray."

Looks like Nintendo was on the right track.
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 2:15:02 PM

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Fred Liken wrote:

> "...HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc players will only output full-resolution
> signals using HDCP.

You conveniently snipped out the "*if* HD-DVD and Blu-ray adopt HDCP" part.
It's likely but there's been no firm decision yet AFAIK. Yet another sign
that the whole high-def DVD market is still in its infancy.

> Since few such TV sets are in use, this
> effectively negates the purpose of HD-DVD and Blu-ray."

Few? I haven't looked into this, but I know the model of my TV that came out
in 2003 already supported HDCP. And pretty much any HDTV you buy today will
as well.

> Looks like Nintendo was on the right track.

Um, they're GAMES machines first and foremost. The Xbox 360 (and the PS3)
will output up to 1080i resolution to any HDTV or computer monitor. How is
not doing high-def resolutions for games at all (ie. Revolution) supposed to
be better than that?

-Z-
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 2:15:02 PM

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Fred Liken wrote:

> You'd be in the minority of proud owners of a HDTV that then find out
> their new HD XBox/PS3 doesn't give them HD quality from those movies.
> Boo hoo hoo.... :( 

Hey retard, the Xbox 360 isn't a high-def movie player. And first you're
saying "since few
such TV sets are in use, this effectively negates the purpose of HD-DVD and
Blu-ray" and now you're saying there are few sets that DON'T support HDCP.
Are you trying to get Bligmerk to call you a contradictory cunt?

> Component won't help.

Component will be perfect for the Xbox 360, because it's a high-defintion
GAMES machine and a progressive scan DVD player. Component is all you need,
DUH. It's not high-def GAMES that are going to be subject to DRM.

If Blu-ray uses HDCP *and* has a decent amount of studio backing by the time
the PS3 comes out *and* I actually feel it necessary to own a high-def
version of The Lion King 3, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it in a
year or whenever. Like I said, I'm due for a TV upgrade anyway. But some
people might not be quite as understanding when they find out the PS3 won't
play high-def movies on their HDTVs.

-Z-
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 4:01:01 PM

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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote

>> Since few such TV sets are in use, this
>> effectively negates the purpose of HD-DVD and Blu-ray."
>
> Few? I haven't looked into this,

Obviously.

> but I know the model of my TV that came out in 2003 already supported
> HDCP. And pretty much any HDTV you buy today will as well.

Yet, the big switch to "HDTV Capable" sets was before that and people have
been buying them enmase. Most sets out there aren't HDCP.

>> Looks like Nintendo was on the right track.
>
> Um, they're GAMES machines first and foremost.

I agree!
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 4:05:09 PM

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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote

>> You'd be in the minority of proud owners of a HDTV that then find out
>> their new HD XBox/PS3 doesn't give them HD quality from those movies.
>> Boo hoo hoo.... :( 
>
> Hey retard, the Xbox 360 isn't a high-def movie player.

They're saying that it will have HD-DVD at some point after launch. Keep
up.

> And first you're saying "since few
> such TV sets are in use, this effectively negates the purpose of HD-DVD
> and Blu-ray" and now you're saying there are few sets that DON'T support
> HDCP.

Um, where did I say that, my little retarded friend?

> Are you trying to get Bligmerk to call you a contradictory cunt?

Read.... COMPREHEND.... Post. Words of wisdom!

>> Component won't help.
>
> Component will be perfect for the Xbox 360, because it's a high-defintion
> GAMES machine and a progressive scan DVD player. Component is all you
> need, DUH. It's not high-def GAMES that are going to be subject to DRM.

Where did anyone say games? We're talking about movies. Hence the title of
the thread and the OP. Please, work on those comprehension skills. Your
little "witch hunt" mentality is making you look like a kook, son. :( 

> But some people might not be quite as understanding when they find out the
> PS3 won't play high-def movies on their HDTVs.

Why are you such an argumentative twat if you're just going to agree in the
end?
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 7:08:43 PM

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Fred Liken wrote:
> "Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote
>
> >> You'd be in the minority of proud owners of a HDTV that then find out
> >> their new HD XBox/PS3 doesn't give them HD quality from those movies.
> >> Boo hoo hoo.... :( 
> >
> > Hey retard, the Xbox 360 isn't a high-def movie player.
>
> They're saying that it will have HD-DVD at some point after launch. Keep
> up.

So there's gonna be a THIRD version of the 360?? Any word on the price
for this one? $599? Do you think they'll still follow through after
HD-DVD bombs? I mean, HD-DVD is really only one or two movie studios
away from being a non-entity.

--
Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
cable@creaturecantina.com
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 11:07:47 PM

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Fred Liken wrote:

> They're saying that it will have HD-DVD at some point after launch. Keep
> up.

They're suggesting that possibility. And obviously people who don't have
HDCP compliant sets aren't gonna buy an HD-DVD version/add-on for their Xbox
360.

> Um, where did I say that, my little retarded friend?

Your other post, my profoundly retarded little non-friend.

Hey Fred, are there a lot of non-HDCP HDTVs out there?

Fred: "...the big switch to "HDTV Capable" sets was before that and people
have
been buying them enmase. Most sets out there aren't HDCP."

Hey Fred, are there a lot of non-HDCP HDTVs out there?

Fred: "You'd be in the minority of proud owners of a HDTV that then find out
their
new HD XBox/PS3 doesn't give them HD quality from those movies."

So are HDCP-compliant HDTVs the majority or the minority, my little C.C.?
Maybe you're just not making yourself clear. You need to work on those
communication skills a little son.

> Where did anyone say games? We're talking about movies.

The Xbox 360 isn't a high-def movie player, and the PS3 is a year away. Why
are we having this discussion at all?

> Why are you such an argumentative twat if you're just going to agree
> in the end?

Agree with you? I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

-Z-
Anonymous
August 25, 2005 12:59:03 AM

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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message

>> They're saying that it will have HD-DVD at some point after launch. Keep
>> up.
>
> They're suggesting that possibility. And obviously people who don't have
> HDCP compliant sets aren't gonna buy an HD-DVD version/add-on for their
> Xbox 360.

Why is that obvious? Why do you assume that they know their TV isn't HDCP?

>> Um, where did I say that, my little retarded friend?
>
> Your other post, my profoundly retarded little non-friend.
>
> Hey Fred, are there a lot of non-HDCP HDTVs out there?
>
> Fred: "...the big switch to "HDTV Capable" sets was before that and people
> have
> been buying them enmase. Most sets out there aren't HDCP."

Most sets aren't HDCP...

> Hey Fred, are there a lot of non-HDCP HDTVs out there?
>
> Fred: "You'd be in the minority of proud owners of a HDTV that then find
> out their
> new HD XBox/PS3 doesn't give them HD quality from those movies."

Don't see "HDCP" in that statement, Zackboy. Perhaps you can point it out?
All I see is that there are a minority of proud owners of a [sic] HDTV...
HDTV is in the minority VS NTSC. Those HDTV owners are going to find out
that their HDTVs don't support the systems they bought. What's so hard for
you to understand? I'd rather go through the drive thru at a Taco Bell than
handhold you through every post, silly twit. :) 

> So are HDCP-compliant HDTVs the majority or the minority, my little C.C.?

Minority, as the only quote talking about HDTVs stated, silly goose!

> Maybe you're just not making yourself clear. You need to work on those
> communication skills a little son.

lol. You dug it.


>> Where did anyone say games? We're talking about movies.
>
> The Xbox 360 isn't a high-def movie player, and the PS3 is a year away.
> Why are we having this discussion at all?

You're a slow learner...

>> Why are you such an argumentative twat if you're just going to agree
>> in the end?
>
> Agree with you? I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

That's the extremely irrational physical response I'd expect from someone as
clueless as you. You must get yourself worked up into a hissy. lol. I
find that funny.
!