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December 2, 2011 10:50:05 PM

Hey Folks,

I am looking to purchase a new card and was looking at the EVGA 560ti. When looking at the cards I noticed there was a regular 560ti and a super clocked 560ti both for the same price. Just buy the name and the looks of course a nub like me wants the Super Clocked one is there any reason not to get it?

I was also open the the new 560ti-448 but was afraid to get one since they are limited edition and might not be around in 2 years or whenever I wanted to start running dual cards (silly fear or justified?) Any help is appreciated thanks!

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December 2, 2011 11:11:46 PM
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Hi there, being super clocked means it comes with a factory overclock, in other words, a super clocked version will have a faster gpu so you should expect increments in performance around 3% to 10% depending on the overclock, sometimes it even surpasses the 10%.
About the 560 448, in my most humble opinion, they are limited 570's the same way a 570 is a limited 580, the diference is that the 560 448 uses GF110 chip unlike all other 560 which use gf100, this translates into a much higher price and in my opinion, a not proportionally higher performance, so if you are looking for a gtx 560 i say go for a super clocked version, if you are looking for a 560 448 i say, get 20 more bucks a get yourself a 570.
And a 560 448 will definitely not be arround in 2 years as it is a limited edition as far as i know, but that said, a 570 or a normal 560 will also be hard to find in 2 years unless you get a used one.
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December 3, 2011 12:10:53 AM

Read the thread earlier thanks!

Thanks Crytorx for the post and clarification....Maybe I will buy the superclocked and pick up another closer down the road.
a c 164 U Graphics card
December 3, 2011 12:40:07 AM

And that's after an edit?

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About the 560 448, in my most humble opinion, they are limited 570's the same way a 570 is a limited 580


Sort of but not really. Yes, its a "limited" or rather cut down GTX570 like a GTX570 is to a GTX580. However Nvidia has already said "limited" in this case means they only have a few chips they will use for the GTX560 448 so it will be produced for only ~2 months. THAT is what makes this card limited.

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the diference is that the 560 448 uses GF110 chip unlike all other 560 which use gf100


Incorrect 100%. The chip in the GTX580/570/560 448 is the GF110. The chip in the normal GTX560s is the GF114. The GF100 was the chip found in the GTX480/470. (the GTX460 used the GF104. The 5 series cards used the second gen GF1x0 chip, which is why the numbers are all 10 higher.)

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this translates into a much higher price and in my opinion, a not proportionally higher performance,


I don't follow this at all. The GTX560s being GF114 chips are smaller, so they are cheaper to produce and as lower chips they are cheaper for us to buy as well.

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if you are looking for a gtx 560 i say go for a super clocked version, if you are looking for a 560 448 i say, get 20 more bucks a get yourself a 570.


I do agree with this. One issue is the price of GTX570 cards are starting to go up. I'm pretty sure as of 4 weeks or so ago you could find a GTX570 around $280 after rebate. They are all up around $320, though you find a few around $300ish. At $280-300 the GTX570 is a better deal. As the GTX570 hits $340+, the GTX560 448 starts to make some sense.
December 3, 2011 1:37:31 AM

4745454b said:


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About the 560 448, in my most humble opinion, they are limited 570's the same way a 570 is a limited 580


Sort of but not really. Yes, its a "limited" or rather cut down GTX570 like a GTX570 is to a GTX580. However Nvidia has already said "limited" in this case means they only have a few chips they will use for the GTX560 448 so it will be produced for only ~2 months. THAT is what makes this card limited.


It is a limited 570 period, i wasn't quoting nvidia on the context they used the word limited... if it will be also limited in terms of chips that is another matter... But nontheless its a limited 570 for a few buck less... and a few buck it's what people pay to get overclocked versions of graphics card, that same difference here gets them a 570... at least for now... but if the 570's prices are really going up now that's different, but i haven't noticed anything yet

4745454b said:
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the diference is that the 560 448 uses GF110 chip unlike all other 560 which use gf100


Incorrect 100%. The chip in the GTX580/570/560 448 is the GF110. The chip in the normal GTX560s is the GF114. The GF100 was the chip found in the GTX480/470. (the GTX460 used the GF104. The 5 series cards used the second gen GF1x0 chip, which is why the numbers are all 10 higher.)


You got me here...i looked up and i was wrong, but the point remains, the 560ti 448 uses the 570/580 chip which is more expensive to gives us just a limited 570 for a few bucks less, so from my point of view it is not worth it....

4745454b said:
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this translates into a much higher price and in my opinion, a not proportionally higher performance,


I don't follow this at all. The GTX560s being GF114 chips are smaller, so they are cheaper to produce and as lower chips they are cheaper for us to buy as well.


You just reinforced my previous point... normal GTX560's use a cheaper chip while the 448 version uses a more expensive one which makes it much more expensive...

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You could be a little less harsh in your observations, i made a big mistake but you could had simply point it instead of just starting a post with a "is that after an edit?"... but whatever... keep your medal...
a c 164 U Graphics card
December 3, 2011 2:34:30 AM

You do need to take die harvesting into account however. Lets say they make 100 GF110 dies. 20 can be GTX580 chips. 50 can be GTX570 chips. This means normally they would throw away 30 dies. What if another 20 however can be turned into GTX560 448? It's not expensive to make them at all now, as you are recovering money you would have normally just tossed.

This isn't totally whats going on as Nvidia has said they will only make this GPU for a few months. Meaning yields are likely higher then the 70% example I used. They've basically been stock piling these GPUs and are looking to get rid of them. From Nvidia's point of view, these cards are awesome as they are getting $$$ for chips they should have just tossed.

Wasn't trying to be harsh. Just surprised something so wrong would still be there after an edit. Not trying to "burn" you at all.
December 3, 2011 9:17:46 PM

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