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HD 6000/ NVIDIA 500 or wait for 7k and Kepler?

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December 3, 2011 5:13:50 PM

this is a carry over from my system building thread. the question though seems more fitting over here. i have saved $1000 for the GPU(s) in my next system and acknowledge that every day componens are being outdated. I have read up on the 7000 and Keplers on the proposed prices but the features are above my head. if i buy and build a system right now should i get the current series or should i wait out ivy bridge and grab one of the new GPUs as the timing is scheduled to roughly coincide (April 2012ish)?

I do gaming of all kinds AND do video production in the Adobe suite. Also I dont really get all the specifications like my knoledge may be perceived. I just do my research. Card(s) to be parked on an ASUS board of some ilk in a Thermaltake Level 10
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December 3, 2011 5:31:16 PM

Or just to buy the Mars by Asus... drools...
December 3, 2011 5:40:10 PM

Since you do video production and gaming I would wait and look at the benchmarks, unless you need something now.
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December 3, 2011 5:49:09 PM

I had read channel partners were already using the new editions so was hoping someone might have some preliminary data.
December 3, 2011 5:54:12 PM

wshinds said:
I had read channel partners were already using the new editions so was hoping someone might have some preliminary data.


AFAIK nothing but rumors at this point... Do you have an AMD or nVidia preference?
December 3, 2011 5:58:29 PM

Not really. If I come back to NVIDIA, I will not buy EVGA but that is all.
December 3, 2011 6:10:37 PM

wshinds said:
Not really. If I come back to NVIDIA, I will not buy EVGA but that is all.


My understanding of the rumors are that AMD will drop it's high end card first and that nvidia will drop it's high end cards last, meaning that AMD's top of the line will be ready around the end of January or beginning of Feb while nVidia's high end won't start dropping till Q3 of 2012.
a b U Graphics card
December 3, 2011 6:13:59 PM

Hmm ... the waiting question. It really depends on you and if you can wait or not. Depending on what you want to do, a nice single fast card from the GTX 500 or HD 6000 series may be enough for your future needs and you will not have to wait.

All I can say with confidence is that a single GTX 580 or HD 6970 will be able to play any game you throw at it for years to come.
December 3, 2011 6:23:54 PM

I am leaning towards dual 6950s if I go now with an HD 6k series. I have read that the 6950's perform identically to the 6970s. For FERMI I have been told to go dual 560 GIs but I am less impressed by the 560(2x) when it is stacked against the Dual 6950s.
December 3, 2011 6:40:18 PM

wshinds said:
I am leaning towards dual 6950s if I go now with an HD 6k series. I have read that the 6950's perform identically to the 6970s. For FERMI I have been told to go dual 560 GIs but I am less impressed by the 560(2x) when it is stacked against the Dual 6950s.


I would do a single 580 over two 560Ti's because of heat, power, and SLI not always being what it should if I were going the nVidia route. If I were going the AMD route I would wait and buy top of the line in 3 months or so. Do you play games with physX? do you have anything that plays with either openCl or CUDA? Are you likely to do 3d anytime soon? Those would be big factors for me choosing a new card.
December 3, 2011 6:59:20 PM

I do not have stereoscopic eyesight, so 3d is not an option at at.
December 3, 2011 7:11:48 PM

I'm pretty sure I'd wait and go with AMD
a b U Graphics card
December 3, 2011 9:30:17 PM

spasmolytic46 said:
I'm pretty sure I'd wait and go with AMD


I agree. If you want an AMD card then wait. If you want a nVIDIA card then that's a different story.
December 3, 2011 10:22:46 PM

I think you should hold off for a month and see what things are looking like. The rumors are early January release for AMD's high end cards, so hopefully early January you will at least have an idea if the new cards are worth it. Also, it is bound to push prices down a bit on AMD and Nvidia gpu's of current gen when they release.
a b U Graphics card
December 3, 2011 10:47:24 PM

im not really a fan of waiting but that is up to you.

570 and 580 and 6950 and 6970 are all really awesome
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 12:15:42 AM

jjtober1 said:
I think you should hold off for a month and see what things are looking like. The rumors are early January release for AMD's high end cards, so hopefully early January you will at least have an idea if the new cards are worth it. Also, it is bound to push prices down a bit on AMD and Nvidia gpu's of current gen when they release.


Prices on the high end cards shouldn't drop that quickly, maybe 4-6 months before we see an actually price drop. I am in the same boat as spentshells, the current graphics cards offer more than enough power for mostly any task.
December 4, 2011 12:23:29 AM

are you running eyefinity or anything and what resolution you want to play at?


December 4, 2011 12:41:16 AM

I am starting to jones and think that way Warm, I do have a bit of instant gratification but new versions versus an entire new generation being a month or so away makes me feel ... dirty for wanting to build it today.

Currently running on a lone 2560x1600 30" LG Wall Mounted. I'm not "that" hardcore of a gamer but I am considering changing to 3 25" Asus monitors.

I know the multiple screens would be divine for video production -- I think I might be overwhelmed at first in a video game with that kind of screen real estate.

Although I've always been taught to break it down to pixelation:

1 30" 2560x1600 = 4,096,000 pixels
2 25" 1920x1080 = 4,147,200 pixels
3 25" 1920x1080 = 6,220,800 pixels

Benefit there being the extra width. Although I like the depth the 1600 on my 30"er provides, 1080 seems a bit too small, 1200 would be perfect but I don't know many monitors (any in fact) with that as a native resolution that don't seem exorbitant on the pricing side.
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 12:44:40 AM

wshinds said:
I am starting to jones and think that way Warm, I do have a bit of instant gratification but new versions versus an entire new generation being a month or so away makes me feel ... dirty for wanting to build it today.


Hah, "dirty"? I just upgraded my old GTX 275 for a GTX 500 series.
December 4, 2011 12:53:00 AM

I am sure all this concern is really ill-placed though War -- I mean the single 5870 running my monitor right now barely chokes at all, granted I normally run my games in 1920x1080 (reduction of 2mil pixels) and that allows me to set the graphics options to max without any stuttering (except in RAGE, sadly, and I think that is game related not graphic related). If I buy two 6950s or whatever I was mentioning up above, effectively quadrupling the GP power depending of course on the software situation etc. etc., I should be fine even 3 years from now. Frankly, it was only a year ago that DX11 got its bugs worked out anyhow.

Hmmm.... but I'm not calling you dirty, I just feel like I've got my toe in the sand, the rest of my body is falling toward the upgrade now side of the beach, and my little foot in some comically exaggerated way lingers on the other side nagging the rest of my frame.
December 4, 2011 12:53:16 AM

Might seem outdated but unless your looking at a 6990 or a gtx 590 id say grab this 5970 on newegg, it will be back since its on add to notify, keep an eye on it snag it. still wrecks 6970 and gtx 580,

Deal of a lifetime the raw power of this card is unreal for the price, i have it personally and i have it crossfired with 5870 and im on 3 displays at 1080p and run like a absolute monster. i purchased my 5870 at site listed below and they are very helpful and card is great brand new oem and ull have almost 500 left over when its all said and done, trifire scales amazing for these, especially now that all the kinks are worked out.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-ATI-Radeon-HD5870-HD-5870-P...
December 4, 2011 12:53:43 AM

wshinds said:
I am starting to jones and think that way Warm, I do have a bit of instant gratification but new versions versus an entire new generation being a month or so away makes me feel ... dirty for wanting to build it today.

Currently running on a lone 2560x1600 30" LG Wall Mounted. I'm not "that" hardcore of a gamer but I am considering changing to 3 25" Asus monitors.

I know the multiple screens would be divine for video production -- I think I might be overwhelmed at first in a video game with that kind of screen real estate.

Although I've always been taught to break it down to pixelation:

1 30" 2560x1600 = 4,096,000 pixels
2 25" 1920x1080 = 4,147,200 pixels
3 25" 1920x1080 = 6,220,800 pixels

Benefit there being the extra width. Although I like the depth the 1600 on my 30"er provides, 1080 seems a bit too small, 1200 would be perfect but I don't know many monitors (any in fact) with that as a native resolution that don't seem exorbitant on the pricing side.


27.5" 1920x1200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 12:55:46 AM

wshinds said:
I am sure all this concern is really ill-placed though War -- I mean the single 5870 running my monitor right now barely chokes at all, granted I normally run my games in 1920x1080 (reduction of 2mil pixels) and that allows me to set the graphics options to max without any stuttering (except in RAGE, sadly, and I think that is game related not graphic related). If I buy two 6950s or whatever I was mentioning up above, effectively quadrupling the GP power depending of course on the software situation etc. etc., I should be fine even 3 years from now. Frankly, it was only a year ago that DX11 got its bugs worked out anyhow.

Hmmm.... but I'm not calling you dirty, I just feel like I've got my toe in the sand, the rest of my body is falling toward the upgrade now side of the beach, and my little foot in some comically exaggerated way lingers on the other side nagging the rest of my frame.


Do it man, upgrade now and be happy.
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 12:59:38 AM

TLDR, but wait!
December 4, 2011 1:02:35 AM

i agree upgrade now and be happy, and just to say adding a 5970 ull be good for 3 plus years and the warranty is 5
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 1:09:57 AM

buy 5970 and be happy
December 4, 2011 1:27:52 AM

I know that if I xfire the 5870 to the 59, that the 59 will slow itself to the 58's clock speed, right?
December 4, 2011 1:31:59 AM

the 5970 is a dual gpu card, its technically 2 5870's down clocked, you actually would either overclock your 5970 to the same speed as the 5870 (that's what i do) or down clock your 5870 to the speeds of the 5970's gpus, if that makes sense, the 5970 runs at 725mhz stock i believe for each gpu, and the 5870 has a single gpu running at 850 stock.
December 4, 2011 2:18:15 AM

its called trifire because its 3 gpu's, 5970 is more powerful than everything but gtx590 and 6990
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 3:18:32 AM

mmmm if you are going beyond 1920x1080 trifire 5870's may run out of vram
but perhaps not. As mentioned that would deffinately be the most powerfull setup available to you if any move under 1000 dollars. I'm pretty sure that it is even more powerfull than the 580x2 mars.

Ha just did the math 4800 shaders....that is bananas
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 1:08:15 PM

Two GTX 580's may be able to outperform an HD 5970 and a HD 5870 in some cases. I know it's a great card and all but I cannot recommend old hardware like that. Doesn't the HD 5970 have heat and noise issues as well?
December 4, 2011 1:30:28 PM

no way 2 gtx580's out perform a 5970+5870 trifire, its 3gb of video ram on 3 gpu's. and the plus he already has a 5870, i run this setup and am air cooled on a 850watt psu and heat is fine and noise could be better but its not a bother at all, probably not much of a noise improvement from 2 gtx 580's, and as for resolution, see link below

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...
December 4, 2011 1:34:43 PM

buy gtx 590...best card ever....silent and fast !!!
December 4, 2011 1:38:48 PM

as you can see from the links the 5970 owns all cards but 6990 and gtx590 and the 5870 is only 5 fps of off the gtx580, be smart and keep your 5870, get a 5970 and you'll have better performance then a gtx590 for 1/3 the price and then like i said pocket your money or spend in on a beast cpu or something ha,
December 4, 2011 1:39:48 PM

fuc said:
buy gtx 590...best card ever....silent and fast !!!


5970 is way to close to performance to justify price difference, and also trifire with hos 5870 will make gtx590 its bitch
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 1:50:41 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
no way 2 gtx580's out perform a 5970+5870 trifire, its 3gb of video ram on 3 gpu's. and the plus he already has a 5870, i run this setup and am air cooled on a 850watt psu and heat is fine and noise could be better but its not a bother at all, probably not much of a noise improvement from 2 gtx 580's, and as for resolution, see link below

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...


We aren't saying it's a bad card, in fact it's a superb card. But there are more modern options he could consider since budget does not seem to be an issue here.
December 4, 2011 1:54:32 PM

Warmacblu said:
We aren't saying it's a bad card, in fact it's a superb card. But there are more modern options he could consider since budget does not seem to be an issue here.



well what is more modern?? id say you go for best performance, and the 5970, unless going for 6990 is the top performer, and the 6990 is no longer manufactured, just because the 5970 was made well before its time ha does not mean it still cannot be the best option.
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 1:59:25 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
well what is more modern?? id say you go for best performance, and the 5970, unless going for 6990 is the top performer, and the 6990 is no longer manufactured, just because the 5970 was made well before its time ha does not mean it still cannot be the best option.


Everyone has their likes and dislikes. I prefer a single fast card or 2 fast cards over a dual GPU card. It may not be the best performing card but new technology isn't always about being fast, it's also about power consumption, cooling capabilities, materials, heat production, etc. The HD 5970 is a great card, no doubt; but I would rather pay a little more for a single fast card that will perform worse but will also consume less power, produce less heat, etc.

If the OP wants to upgrade his HD 5870 for another AMD card then I believe he should wait a few months. If he wants an nVIDIA card, then there are plenty of great options available now that should suit his needs.
a c 271 U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 2:01:38 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
well what is more modern?? id say you go for best performance, and the 5970, unless going for 6990 is the top performer, and the 6990 is no longer manufactured, just because the 5970 was made well before its time ha does not mean it still cannot be the best option.

Whatever was released after the 5970 would be considered more modern. :lol: 
December 4, 2011 2:04:27 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Whatever was released after the 5970 would be considered more modern. :lol: 



child that's like saying that a 2011 ford focus is as modern as a 2009 Cadillac. are you joking?
a c 271 U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 2:07:24 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
child that's like saying that a 2011 ford focus is as modern as a 2009 Cadillac. are you joking?

No, and don't call me child.
December 4, 2011 2:09:19 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
child that's like saying that a 2011 ford focus is as modern as a 2009 Cadillac. are you joking?

No, MM is a master of the obvious
December 4, 2011 2:11:56 PM

Warmacblu said:
Everyone has their likes and dislikes. I prefer a single fast card or 2 fast cards over a dual GPU card. It may not be the best performing card but new technology isn't always about being fast, it's also about power consumption, cooling capabilities, materials, heat production, etc. The HD 5970 is a great card, no doubt; but I would rather pay a little more for a single fast card that will perform worse but will also consume less power, produce less heat, etc.

If the OP wants to upgrade his HD 5870 for another AMD card then I believe he should wait a few months. If he wants an nVIDIA card, then there are plenty of great options available now that should suit his needs.



well thats great and im glad for you but performance wise you cant dispute what i have said so good try
December 4, 2011 2:14:18 PM

Mousemonkey said:
No, and don't call me child.


so whats your point??
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 2:16:48 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
well thats great and im glad for you but performance wise you cant dispute what i have said so good try


What if the OP doesn't want the best performance for the price? He may want a quiet, efficient system.
a c 271 U Graphics card
December 4, 2011 2:21:59 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
so whats your point??

The point is that new is modern, old is not.
December 4, 2011 2:23:04 PM

Well the 5970 is not overbearing with noise, i run it and its really not, he said he was considering crossfire 6950's and that's just as loud i can promise you, he already has a 5870 if you trifire with it you will get better performance for a fraction of the price, and if you are still concerned about noise go buy a cooler for the 5970 for 60 bucks and your still way under cost, and better in performance 5970 beats 580 buy too much to consider a 580 for more money. and its about on par with the gtx590 and beats it in some cases
December 4, 2011 2:26:21 PM

Mousemonkey said:
The point is that new is modern, old is not.



well i can tell that you in fact are a child talking to say that because the 5970 is better then mostly any card out there,

going back to the comment, 2011 ford focus vs ill even say 2007 Cadillac, Caddy wins all day
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