GTX 560ti 448 or GTX 570

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Hi guys, I'm really stuck here and hope you can help me out.

I'm upgrading my PC and this is my current order:

i5-2500k
ASRock Z68 Pro 3 (Gen 3)
8GB Ram
128GB Crucial M4 SSD
and currently a MSI N560GTX Ti Twin Frozr II/OC

I just received a good news and this is how I want to celebrate it - pay a little more for the GPU.
The GPU I've currently on order costs 200€. I'm eyeing to pay something up to 300, no more. FYI I live in Germany.

So... shall I get a 560ti 448 or a 570?
I looked at the hardware canucks review and the 560ti 448's really do rock there. I can get the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores for 265€. Do you recommend me to take it or a 570 which might cost a little more but will overall provide better performance? Is there a specific model in the 270-300€ range that is better than the Gigabyte 448?

I intend to use the card for the next two, probably three years.

Hope you can help me out, this really is complicated. And I'm not even considering AMD as this makes the decision even more difficult.
 
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Well, for me the 560ti 448 is just a crippled 570. Its not that much cheaper, so why not go for the 570?

Two things everyone forgets when asking for video card advice:
1) Power supply
2) resolution
If we don't know your resolution its quite difficult to make recommendations. But the most recent game release that really shows where the industry is heading is BF3. It seems pretty clear from the reviews that to max out BF3 at 1080p, it would be wise to go with the GTX 570.

That's my recommendation.
 
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If it were me I would be looking at the 570 and trying to get it at all costs even if money was tight , I think that the 560Ti/448 is a good card and you could certianly not go wrong by getting it but we don't know for sure if this is a short manufactured product or if it is going to be a permanently available card. That would be the reason I would only be looking at the 570 because down the road when I am going to be looking to pick up another for SLI what is going to be the avalibility.
 
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I knew I forgot something.
I will not go for SLI.
My PSU is 650W, that shouldn't be a problem.


Currently, I'm playing at 1680x1050 but 1920x1200 should be possible, too.


According to

GTX-560-448-61.jpg


The 448's are pretty much equal to the 570. That's what makes things complicated.


Can you recommend me a 570 which is good value for money (power, effience, noise, heat)?
 
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It's currently on the order, however the order will be shipped on monday. So plenty of time to change it.

@buzznut: Is something wrong with it? I am not sure and that is why I ask here.
 
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Doesn't the OP already have a GTX 560 Ti? Why are you looking to upgrade to a GTX 560 Ti 448 or 570? If you really want an upgrade, then purchase another GTX 560 Ti and SLi them.
 
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He doesn't have it yet he said it was on order.
 
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What I am doing, as I was in a similar situation to you, is wait on getting a 570 or the 448 core and stick with a 2gb msi twin frozr II 560 ti for a while until some more good mess happens financially for you, upgrade to a 750w or higher psu and sli those bad boys together. The 448 is definitely not worth it, I've dumped so many hours into researching it and, like the other have said, you would have to buy two of them now without a free a game because they are limited edition.

Get the 2gb 560 ti because you will be able to handle higher resolutions and the card will
Be more "future proof" as more demanding games come out that require higher levels of VRAM like sky rim or bf3. Hope this helps...
 
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ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $349.99 and a $30 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121432

Since you live in Germany this will not be your price most likely so I just used the link to show you the card. The cooling solution on this card is pretty intense and should keep it pretty cool. Also since you will not be doing SLI it won't matter to you that it takes up three slots. You can also overclock this card a lot more and it should work with your psu of 650w.
 
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Based on my knowledge. Most gamers will not buy that card. Even 6970 suits their need. Only enthusiastic gamers with multiple monitors buy them. Correct me if Im wrong.
 
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The thing is that this card costs like 60€ more (which is roughly +25%) than the Gainward GTX 560ti 448 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125406&Tpk=Gigabyte%20GeForce%20GTX%20560%20Ti%20448%20Cores . If I lived in the US, I would be willing to pay +10%, but 25% is just not justified imo. I thought there probably might be a strong GTX570 out there which costs like 280€, but I guess these are the cheapos and I will just still to the Gainward 560ti 448.
 
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your knowledge is wrong, lol if you can get the card that is much more powerful like you stated why wouldn't you get it,
5970 > 6970 by a lot, and costs less um duh

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161385 no

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161385 no


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103195 yes and it will be back
 
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Acerace is correct. Most people will not purchase an HD 5970, they would rather have a fast single card. Having said that, the HD 5970 is a superb card but keep in mind that it is a dual GPU card which will consume more power, generate more heat, produce lots of noise and may have issues in some games (CrossfireX related issues).
 
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The 560TI 448 as many reviewers have put it should just be called the 565TI. That one benchmark you show does not represent all the other testing that has been done. In actuality, the 560TI 448 falls right in between the 560TI and the 570. If I am not mistaken the 560TI 448 has somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15% less performance than the 570 which equated to somewhere in the range of 7-11 fps I believe depending on the game that was benched. I would be spending the extra few dollars and be buying the 570.

Choke, didn't AMD state a couple weeks back that the 5xxx series chips are done with production. The 6xxx series are to follow shortly once the 7xxx releases.
 
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Yes but the 6990 is no longer in production either and crossfire related issues are being resolves everyday, i have a 5970 and get better performance then people with the gtx590. I'm just saying that price for performance the 5970 for 329.99 on newegg cannot be beat.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-8.html


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-3.html

and i used this game specifically because there were crossfire issues when it first came out and now its runs the show on all but 6990 which is like 700 bucks if you can find one other then the msi on newegg since they aren't in production either
 
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Well, thank you StealthArsenal. You are the first person that says these benchs aren't represantative - this is what I need to hear! Else there would be no reason to pay extra cash for more or less the same outcome. 10-15% however are a significant number. I guess I'll take the ASUS ENGTX570 DCII even if it costs like 25% more. :/

The Phantom is sold out, the Gigabyte SO, too.
 
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