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GTX 560ti 448 or GTX 570

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December 3, 2011 9:09:33 PM

Hi guys, I'm really stuck here and hope you can help me out.

I'm upgrading my PC and this is my current order:

i5-2500k
ASRock Z68 Pro 3 (Gen 3)
8GB Ram
128GB Crucial M4 SSD
and currently a MSI N560GTX Ti Twin Frozr II/OC

I just received a good news and this is how I want to celebrate it - pay a little more for the GPU.
The GPU I've currently on order costs 200€. I'm eyeing to pay something up to 300, no more. FYI I live in Germany.

So... shall I get a 560ti 448 or a 570?
I looked at the hardware canucks review and the 560ti 448's really do rock there. I can get the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores for 265€. Do you recommend me to take it or a 570 which might cost a little more but will overall provide better performance? Is there a specific model in the 270-300€ range that is better than the Gigabyte 448?

I intend to use the card for the next two, probably three years.

Hope you can help me out, this really is complicated. And I'm not even considering AMD as this makes the decision even more difficult.

More about : gtx 560ti 448 gtx 570

December 3, 2011 9:28:37 PM

If you plan on SLI - get the 570 - 448 is a limited edition. Also the 448 is a 570 without all the internals operating - get the 570 if you can afford it.
-Bruce
December 3, 2011 9:32:05 PM

Well, for me the 560ti 448 is just a crippled 570. Its not that much cheaper, so why not go for the 570?

Two things everyone forgets when asking for video card advice:
1) Power supply
2) resolution
If we don't know your resolution its quite difficult to make recommendations. But the most recent game release that really shows where the industry is heading is BF3. It seems pretty clear from the reviews that to max out BF3 at 1080p, it would be wise to go with the GTX 570.

That's my recommendation.
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a c 91 Î Nvidia
December 3, 2011 9:38:58 PM

If it were me I would be looking at the 570 and trying to get it at all costs even if money was tight , I think that the 560Ti/448 is a good card and you could certianly not go wrong by getting it but we don't know for sure if this is a short manufactured product or if it is going to be a permanently available card. That would be the reason I would only be looking at the 570 because down the road when I am going to be looking to pick up another for SLI what is going to be the avalibility.
December 3, 2011 10:16:08 PM

I knew I forgot something.
I will not go for SLI.
My PSU is 650W, that shouldn't be a problem.


Currently, I'm playing at 1680x1050 but 1920x1200 should be possible, too.


According to



The 448's are pretty much equal to the 570. That's what makes things complicated.


Can you recommend me a 570 which is good value for money (power, effience, noise, heat)?
December 3, 2011 10:38:28 PM

Well, if ya wanna go with that one benchmark, then there's no reason to get the 570. Save some money and get the cheaper card.
a b Î Nvidia
December 3, 2011 10:53:03 PM

Seeing as you already have a 560TI, are you really going to spend that much to get an extra 5FPS?
December 3, 2011 11:09:53 PM

It's currently on the order, however the order will be shipped on monday. So plenty of time to change it.

@buzznut: Is something wrong with it? I am not sure and that is why I ask here.
December 4, 2011 12:58:43 AM

Doesn't the OP already have a GTX 560 Ti? Why are you looking to upgrade to a GTX 560 Ti 448 or 570? If you really want an upgrade, then purchase another GTX 560 Ti and SLi them.
December 4, 2011 1:06:30 AM

acerace said:
Not. Worth. The. Money.



Based ON?? its the 3rd most powerful card on the market. That's a fact and its undisputed
a c 91 Î Nvidia
December 4, 2011 1:07:46 AM

Warmacblu said:
Doesn't the OP already have a GTX 560 Ti? Why are you looking to upgrade to a GTX 560 Ti 448 or 570? If you really want an upgrade, then purchase another GTX 560 Ti and SLi them.



He doesn't have it yet he said it was on order.
December 4, 2011 1:08:51 AM

What I am doing, as I was in a similar situation to you, is wait on getting a 570 or the 448 core and stick with a 2gb msi twin frozr II 560 ti for a while until some more good mess happens financially for you, upgrade to a 750w or higher psu and sli those bad boys together. The 448 is definitely not worth it, I've dumped so many hours into researching it and, like the other have said, you would have to buy two of them now without a free a game because they are limited edition.

Get the 2gb 560 ti because you will be able to handle higher resolutions and the card will
Be more "future proof" as more demanding games come out that require higher levels of VRAM like sky rim or bf3. Hope this helps...
a c 91 Î Nvidia
December 4, 2011 1:16:15 AM

ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $349.99 and a $30 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Since you live in Germany this will not be your price most likely so I just used the link to show you the card. The cooling solution on this card is pretty intense and should keep it pretty cool. Also since you will not be doing SLI it won't matter to you that it takes up three slots. You can also overclock this card a lot more and it should work with your psu of 650w.
December 4, 2011 4:01:56 AM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
Based ON?? its the 3rd most powerful card on the market. That's a fact and its undisputed


Based on my knowledge. Most gamers will not buy that card. Even 6970 suits their need. Only enthusiastic gamers with multiple monitors buy them. Correct me if Im wrong.
December 4, 2011 9:22:58 AM

inzone said:
ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $349.99 and a $30 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Since you live in Germany this will not be your price most likely so I just used the link to show you the card. The cooling solution on this card is pretty intense and should keep it pretty cool. Also since you will not be doing SLI it won't matter to you that it takes up three slots. You can also overclock this card a lot more and it should work with your psu of 650w.

The thing is that this card costs like 60€ more (which is roughly +25%) than the Gainward GTX 560ti 448 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . If I lived in the US, I would be willing to pay +10%, but 25% is just not justified imo. I thought there probably might be a strong GTX570 out there which costs like 280€, but I guess these are the cheapos and I will just still to the Gainward 560ti 448.
December 4, 2011 1:46:30 PM

acerace said:
Based on my knowledge. Most gamers will not buy that card. Even 6970 suits their need. Only enthusiastic gamers with multiple monitors buy them. Correct me if Im wrong.



your knowledge is wrong, lol if you can get the card that is much more powerful like you stated why wouldn't you get it,
5970 > 6970 by a lot, and costs less um duh

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... no

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... no


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... yes and it will be back
December 4, 2011 1:53:53 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
your knowledge is wrong, lol if you can get the card that is much more powerful like you stated why wouldn't you get it,
5970 > 6970 by a lot, and costs less um duh

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... no

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... no


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... yes and it will be back


Acerace is correct. Most people will not purchase an HD 5970, they would rather have a fast single card. Having said that, the HD 5970 is a superb card but keep in mind that it is a dual GPU card which will consume more power, generate more heat, produce lots of noise and may have issues in some games (CrossfireX related issues).
December 4, 2011 1:55:09 PM

The 560TI 448 as many reviewers have put it should just be called the 565TI. That one benchmark you show does not represent all the other testing that has been done. In actuality, the 560TI 448 falls right in between the 560TI and the 570. If I am not mistaken the 560TI 448 has somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15% less performance than the 570 which equated to somewhere in the range of 7-11 fps I believe depending on the game that was benched. I would be spending the extra few dollars and be buying the 570.

Choke, didn't AMD state a couple weeks back that the 5xxx series chips are done with production. The 6xxx series are to follow shortly once the 7xxx releases.
December 4, 2011 2:02:19 PM

Yes but the 6990 is no longer in production either and crossfire related issues are being resolves everyday, i have a 5970 and get better performance then people with the gtx590. I'm just saying that price for performance the 5970 for 329.99 on newegg cannot be beat.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...

and i used this game specifically because there were crossfire issues when it first came out and now its runs the show on all but 6990 which is like 700 bucks if you can find one other then the msi on newegg since they aren't in production either
December 4, 2011 2:21:35 PM

Well, thank you StealthArsenal. You are the first person that says these benchs aren't represantative - this is what I need to hear! Else there would be no reason to pay extra cash for more or less the same outcome. 10-15% however are a significant number. I guess I'll take the ASUS ENGTX570 DCII even if it costs like 25% more. :/ 

The Phantom is sold out, the Gigabyte SO, too.
December 4, 2011 2:25:45 PM

Take a look at what MSI has to offer. Their Twin Frozr cooler allows for some extreme overclocks.
December 4, 2011 2:28:56 PM

well ill be running my 5970 getting better performance then you for the next couple years and an average of 20-30 fps more, thank you
December 4, 2011 2:28:59 PM

Sold out, too..
December 4, 2011 2:30:47 PM

ChoKe iZ BOSS said:
well ill be running my 5970 getting better performance then you for the next couple years and an average of 20-30 fps more, thank you


What's your problem? The OP said he wants a GTX 560 Ti 4480 or a GTX 570 so why are you flooding this thread about the HD 5970?

It's okay to suggest the card once and be done with it but dang, you just won't give up.
December 4, 2011 3:17:55 PM

The 560Ti 448 core models run as fast as the GTX570, and overclocking them pushes them up in the GTX580 performance range at 1920x1080 resolution. Higher resolution the GTX 580 will squash it, but that card costs $200 more and it should.

I bought the eVGA Classified 448 core because it uses the GTX480's 10 layer pcb, with 6 phase PWM, and was made for enthusiast overclocking. I'm going to post some graphs which helped to solidify my decision.






The new titles this year have shown Nvidia cards to run better, and AMD's drivers flat-out suck. I've bought a lot of ATi cards, and if you go back through my posts over the years you'll see that. There's nothing worse than anticipating a game title to come out, buying it, and then discovering that your card has problems playing it. You're simply going to be better off buying an nvidia card.
December 4, 2011 3:46:17 PM

Quote:
I own a 480 and have managed 880 core and it loves voltage.
Best pcb and phase control i have seen in a stock card.

Awesome I love hearing that.

Here's some naked pcb photos to show similarities .

GTX480 top, GTX580 below it, and the third pic is the GTX560Ti 448 core classified..




It's a pretty popular pcb, I'm sure these aren't the only instances they use it. Also worth mentioning, the GTX570 reference board uses only a 4 phase PWM.

eVGA GTX 570 pcb

December 4, 2011 10:52:50 PM

Wow, the 448 and 580 has same VRM design.

Edit: Almost same. :) 
December 5, 2011 2:41:56 AM

Quote:
Bring on heavy duty overclocking!! [:huntluck:8]


Thats what I mean!
January 15, 2012 11:34:02 PM

I want this card but I have a stupid Best Buy gift card and this item is on their website store as a "Market Place" through 3rd party vendor and cannot use the gc. However I did want to be able to upgrade to 3d vision surround with 3 monitors. I may have to go with the evga gtx 570 but I like the oc capabilities and the power stability of the 6 stage pwm of the evga 560 ti 448 classified where the 570 is 4 stage pwm. Correctly if I'm wrong but the evga gtx570 supports 3d vision surround but the evga gtx 560ti classified doesn't. I only have one pcie slot on my Dell XPS 8300 so sli is not an option. I'll call evga this week and see what they can do.
January 16, 2012 5:55:19 PM

Best buy is of no help but I found a great solution as EVGA has a step up program going on now. The geforce gtx 550ti 448 core doesn't qualify because of the limited release but I can buy the Geforce gtx 570 which is not a marketplace item on bestbuy.com website and can use my gc to purchase it. The EVGA rep said that as long as I register it within 30 days I can step up to the Geforce gtx 580 and pay the difference of what you paid and the retail price of the card your stepping up to after your approved. :bounce:  If a card has a lifetime warranty after registering it qualifies for the step up without a purchase of an extended warranty, if it doesn't have a lifetime warranty then you may have to purchase an extended warranty depending on the price you paid and the model you choose.
January 16, 2012 9:21:49 PM

the Geforce gtx 560ti 2 win (dual 560 ti 384 cuda cores on one board) may be another option for me since I only have pcie slot and cannot run 2 in sli although it will allow you to run 2 for quad sli if you have 2 slots. If that's the case you can run 2 580's or 2 590's.

Performance

NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti
768 CUDA Cores
850 MHz GPU
1700MHz Shader Clock
Memory
2048 MB, 512 bit
4008 MHz (effective)
256.6 GB/s Memory Bandwidth
Interface
PCI-E 2.0 16x
DVI-I, DVI-I, DVI-I, Mini-HDMI
Resolution & Refresh
240Hz Max Refresh Rate
2048x1536 Max Analog
2560x1600 Max Digital

Here's a review and comparo with the 570 and a mention of the 580:
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/video-cards/14382?l...
April 7, 2012 6:32:13 AM

It's best that you cancel your order and wait for GTX670/670ti release. Just a few week and you'll have more options to choose from. Beside, price on old cards will drop.
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