Yes, they still sell the 8400 and thanks for your sugestions, I'll have to look into those. I am not sure about the specs, but I think that is the difference between the two camps. My friend was comparing the specs and I think MicroCenter was looking at which company was more reliable. Myself, I would choose reliable with fewer features over the opposite. I realize that both cards are low end, I just didn't like being stuck in the middle. Plus it is always nice to knock my friend down a notch or two.