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May 18, 2012 1:42:48 PM

Hi,

Building a computer for video editing, around $ 1500-2000.

I was going to use i7-2600k but now considering 3770k.

I understand that the performance increase is minor but don't understand some of the features like "integrated usb 3.0". If I had a Sandy Bridge cpu I wouldn't upgrade but not sure what to do with a new build.

Also, 2600k is available and $300, easy (?) to overclock.

3770k is not available Newegg and $350. ($400 Amazon :pfff:  ). More difficult to overclock (hotter?)

So my questions are:

1. Would you get the 3770k or 2600k?

2. Will I be able to overclock the 3770k significantly, air cooled in a quiet case like Antec p280?

3. Would you consider the 3770 and not overclock?

Thanks.

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May 18, 2012 1:49:25 PM

Is QuickSync an issue here? If so then the 3770k for sure.

You can definitely get a moderate overclock out of the IB, not as much as the SB but still good 4.2 - 4.4 should be reasonably trivial to achieve.
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May 18, 2012 1:52:45 PM

The biggest issues here are Quik Sync which favors IB and overclocking / thermals which favors SB.

Right now I'm doing IB in lappies and SB in desktops
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May 18, 2012 2:02:42 PM

Regardless of how far you overclock SB any app that uses QuickSync or OpenCL is going to be heavily biased towards IB.

Just depends what software you are going to be using.
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May 18, 2012 2:10:15 PM

So Quik Sync is integrated graphics processing with IB, right? I guess I had read about that and kind of dismissed it because I thought I read a review/test which was unimpressive. That may have been gaming oriented compared to a lower end graphics card though.

Not sure if it Quik Sync will make a difference for me. I going to use a prosumer grade video editor, some of which use gpu acceleration and most don't, so the graphics card becomes another issue.

I can't find the editing program I want to use because my computer can't handle the programs for a trial, but I can't build the computer I want optimized for particular software without taking a guess as to whether it is worth buying a decent graphics card.

Maybe the safer bet is to go with IB as long as I can find it and you think it is overclockable air cooled.
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May 18, 2012 2:20:35 PM

QuickSync in the right conditions will make a HUGE difference.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core...

Here the 3770k is TWICE as fast as the 2700k, and 6 times as fast as itself without quicksync.

Now this is currently only in certain applications, but it may well be that in the future there are more applications that take advantage.

Even in apps that don't support QuickSync the 3770k is still faster than a 2700k (let alone a 2600k).
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May 18, 2012 2:23:01 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
The biggest issues here are Quik Sync which favors IB and overclocking / thermals which favors SB.

Right now I'm doing IB in lappies and SB in desktops



Why? Because you are using high end graphics cards for the pc's?
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May 18, 2012 2:51:33 PM

For your purpose, I would suggest an i7 3930K, if you can afford. Expensive but you get extra core/threads that will come handy. Throw-in a lot of RAM, with a GPU to suit your purpose, you will have a pretty good system. The MPE loves CUDA cores (nVidia Quadros 4000 upwards) unless you want to use AMD Firepros and OpenCL/GL.
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May 18, 2012 3:16:44 PM

I've OC'd a 3570k on air in a P180B, got to 4.3Ghz, I'd suggest that there is a high probability of any chip being able to hit 4.2Ghz.
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May 18, 2012 3:17:38 PM

SSri said:
For your purpose, I would suggest an i7 3930K, if you can afford. Expensive but you get extra core/threads that will come handy. Throw-in a lot of RAM, with a GPU to suit your purpose, you will have a pretty good system. The MPE loves CUDA cores (nVidia Quadros 4000 upwards) unless you want to use AMD Firepros and OpenCL/GL.



I thought about that but I think it's more than I want to spend. It does look great though. Will think it over.
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May 18, 2012 5:01:39 PM

nottheratboy said:
I thought about that but I think it's more than I want to spend. It does look great though. Will think it over.


It is worth it if you can afford....otherwise, i7 3770K...
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May 18, 2012 6:05:46 PM

i'd go with newer technology, 3770k even it has 100mhz more frequency, better integrated graphics but as you mention that for editing so external GPU must be necessary for that stuff, heat? Heat will not be an issue when you've a decent coolersomething like corsair h100 (www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683518101...) so you can squeeze it alot to get more "GHz" i'm providing a link see yourself how well 3770k perform against 2600k.
Ok here it is:
www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=287

another important thing is GRAPHICS CARD in that budget get a single gtx 680 which i think 2nd most fastest card.
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May 18, 2012 6:19:19 PM

editing is mostly dependable on amount of RAM memory available for example, if you have 4gb of ddr3 1333 ram and you are compressing a 400mb file with WINRAR suppose it takes 3 minutes when you have 8gb ram it takes 1m and 30sec so increasing the ram will increase the rendering speed indeed i'd suggest to go with G.skill ripjaws x series 16gb kit(2x8gb)
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682023148...
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May 18, 2012 6:57:25 PM

See the choice is very clear....your video editing/rendering is a function of processor power/speed and RAM, unless you want to take an expensive GPU rendering route.

The 3770K is a good CPU for pre-i5/i7. If your video editing/rendering is medium to heavy, I think that you would benefit from the extra cores/threads from the i7 3930K, for which you have got to pay a premium. Once you decide on the CPU (with that the mobo), you can quickly assemble the rest of the hardware.

GTX 680 is an excellent GPU. It is traditionally the gamers card, while pros go down the Quadros / Firepros routes. May be, you can have the best of both world, depending on your requirements.
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May 18, 2012 7:30:32 PM

I had tried to put together a build with the 3770k:


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8rXy


I'll try another with the 3930k. Between MB and cpu price increase will probably be about $300.?
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May 18, 2012 8:27:05 PM

Intel made some tweaks to the SB architecture in IB which may help you out. If it were me, I'd wait and pick up the 3770K CPU.

Here's an AnandTech article page that details the changes in the Ivy Bridge CPU architecture - http://www.anandtech.com/show/4830/intels-ivy-bridge-ar...
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May 18, 2012 8:30:28 PM

xtreme5 said:
going with 3930k will not worth there is not a massive difference between 3770k vs 3930k
here is the bencmarks:
www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/552?vs=551


That's an interesting benchmark. But i7 3930K still pulls ahead in multi-threaded setup, is it not? In Video editing/rendering, the extra cores/threads are bound to help especially if packed with RAM. The difference is cost. Can the OP afford it?
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May 18, 2012 8:33:26 PM

But, overall I agree, i7 3770K is the CPU for a new build. But i7 3930K's extra cores/threads would be very useful if video editing/rendering is no longer a lightweight project.
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May 18, 2012 8:34:33 PM

Don't forget that you lose QuickSync on X79 platform so you have to determine whether the 2 extra cores are worth not having QuickSync. I'd say if your rendering program can use QuickSync, grab a 3770K. If not and you have the budget, a 3930K will be the better choice.
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May 18, 2012 8:40:35 PM

3930k is supposed to be good in multi-threaded apps because it has 6 CORES + 12mb of cache so indeed this would be best there but overall performance is neck-to-neck.
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May 18, 2012 8:47:44 PM

xtreme5 said:
3930k is supposed to be good in multi-threaded apps because it has 6 CORES + 12mb of cache so indeed this would be best there but overall performance is neck-to-neck.


Indeed. If the OP's video editing/rendering applications use multi-threaded set up, that's the best choice; Otherwise, it is a waste spending extra $ on the i7 3930K.
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May 18, 2012 8:56:54 PM

let the OP decide?
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May 18, 2012 9:12:27 PM

xtreme5 said:
let the OP decide?


+1
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May 18, 2012 9:44:26 PM

Thanks for all of the opinions and information. Kind of a tough decision.

Looks like 3770k over 2600k everyone seems to agree.

Re. 3930k vs. 3770k my understanding is that video editing would benefit from the extra cores/threads as you've said. If we just had Sandy Bridge it's clear that 3930k is better than 2600k for video editing anyway but I didn't know where 3770k would slot in.

Maybe a little below the 3930k for video editing I guess.

Not sure how QuikSync changes things though. Probably depends on the software. The only editing programs I see using it now is Corel Digital Studio and Cyberlink Powerdirector.

Really valuable discussion for me. Thanks.
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May 19, 2012 7:56:38 AM

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The only editing programs I see using it now is Corel Digital Studio and Cyberlink Powerdirector.


I am kind of thinking you may be fine with i7 3770K for these two applications, unless you think you would go for intensive ones in the future...please check out if they are multi-threaded....

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May 19, 2012 5:26:02 PM

you'll be get a bit better performance with 3930k with higher cost...
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May 19, 2012 6:24:36 PM

Kind of thinking I'm going to go with the 3770k. The 3930k looks really nice though. I'm already spending a little more than I wanted.

Does this look decent to you? Not sure about the video card though. Not in stock anyway.



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($187.27 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($187.27 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec P280 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($190.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.97 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-206DBKS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ( @ )
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2215.41
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-05-19 14:22 EDT-0400)
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May 19, 2012 7:56:01 PM

incredible build.
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May 19, 2012 8:02:04 PM

Nice build....

Personally, I would probably pick these components instead

Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $239.99
Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower $239.99
EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card $519.99
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May 19, 2012 10:20:13 PM

Thanks a ton for the help.

I haven't gotten the video card yet.

That mb, 800D and video card look pretty nice although I kind of have to draw the line somewhere. It's easy to get paralyzed by all of the options/decisions (for me anyway).
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May 21, 2012 5:15:05 PM

One thing to keep in mind, with 3770K you are limited to 32GB. With 3930K you can have 64GB or more, which may be important for high-end video editing.
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May 21, 2012 11:07:28 PM

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One thing to keep in mind, with 3770K you are limited to 32GB. With 3930K you can have 64GB or more, which may be important for high-end video editing.


Thanks. I think if I were going to be using professional level software I would probably go that route. Right now I'm going to try to stick with more "prosumer" level software and try to keep it a little more simple.

Thanks for the suggestion.
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May 22, 2012 3:09:44 AM

I am in the same boat; I am waivering between 3770 and 3770K. OC involves some expense: the chip is more expensive, the board is more expensive and you have to buy a cooler and a better PSU. If willing to do that, why not just get a better chip?

On the other hand 3770K POSSIBLY gives a more future-proof system because you can always decide to OC down the road instead of upgrading (assuming RAM doesn't have to be upgraded; I am not sure about that).
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May 22, 2012 3:44:20 AM

i7-2600k and a higher end Nvidia card with CUDA.
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May 22, 2012 2:32:42 PM

amuffin said:
i7-2600k and a higher end Nvidia card with CUDA.


nVidia GTX 570 or 670 is a given, but why i7-2600K rather than i7-3770/K?
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May 22, 2012 3:32:42 PM

2600k, because it's cheaper and has 3-4% difference between it and the 3770K.

This really doesn't justify the 20-60 dollar difference when that money can be put toward better cooling, storage, and graphics.
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May 22, 2012 4:01:25 PM

How about the 3770? That's basically the same price as the 2600k. Newegg does not have a good price on the 3770 at the moment.
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May 22, 2012 8:37:27 PM

ratsa said:
I am in the same boat; I am waivering between 3770 and 3770K. OC involves some expense: the chip is more expensive, the board is more expensive and you have to buy a cooler and a better PSU. If willing to do that, why not just get a better chip?

On the other hand 3770K POSSIBLY gives a more future-proof system because you can always decide to OC down the road instead of upgrading (assuming RAM doesn't have to be upgraded; I am not sure about that).



But the 3930k is quite a bit more expensive as is the mb for the 3930k too. When I was trying to decide I think I calculated it as about $350 more. I'm sure either way will be ok.

I briefly thought about the 3770 but never really thought about a different mb for 3770 vs. 3770k. I don't know what the difference is.

I ended up getting a cheaper cpu cooler too, coolermaster evo or something.
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May 22, 2012 9:46:07 PM

I honestly think, unless it is heavy video editing/rendering, you would be fine with i7 3770K (unlocked CPU). Evo is a good cooler but some of the betterones are Noctua NH-D14 ($90), Corsair H100 ($105), CM H612 ($50). If you just bought, probably you may swap it for a better cooler. BTW, there is hardly any cooling difference between Noctua and CM H612 (a degree difference probably).
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May 22, 2012 10:01:48 PM

ok. I've kind of been second guessing myself about making that cpu cooler change any way. Think I will go back to the Noctua NH-D14. $85 on Amazon.

Thank you again.
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May 22, 2012 10:08:56 PM

Pleasure! :) 
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May 23, 2012 1:53:35 AM

I have a another question if you don't mind.

I changed my RAM choice from above and ended up going with what xtreme5 originally recommended, but 32 GB. This:


G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q-32GBXL

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Is this going to be ok?

The motherboard, P8Z77-V PRO, supports up to 32GB. The problem is I can't find it on the Qualified Vendor List:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1155/P8Z77-V_PRO...

I've read differing opinions re. QVL. From "you should really pick something from the QVL to prevent problems down the road" to "don't worry about it, the QVL is just whatever they got around to testing". :??:  Although I think that dude did say just pick a good manufacturer and a 9-9-9-24 kit. The RAM listed above is 10-10-10-30

I can't find any 32GB kits supported on the QVL and can't find the G.SKILL flavor of RAM listed above in a smaller kit. I'd rather not change it if you think it's ok but If you don't think it will work I'd rather change it now.

Do you have an opinion? Thanks.

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May 23, 2012 7:08:31 AM

A manufacturer may only test a set a RAM as they are so many of them. Finding a RAM mentioned in the QVL is ideal but you are restricted for choices. I would nevertheless be careful about the timing and would choose a 9-9-9-24 kit.

How about this?

CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (8 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ32GX3M8X1600C9

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You may not find it on the QVL list but it is a 9-9-9-24.
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May 23, 2012 11:09:45 AM

Thanks.

That kit looks like a 8 X 4GB kit though. Also those heat spreaders seem huge. I can't find dimensions but do you think I can run into trouble w clearance?

If I search Newegg for RAM using, 4 X8GB, 1.5v, 1600, latency 9 I don't get much. One G.SKILL kit below or Geil which I'm not familiar with.


G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-32GXM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I get more options if I decrease to 1333.

Any suggestions?
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May 23, 2012 11:19:12 AM

Also the G.SKILL memory listed above is listed as 9-9-9 not 9-9-9-24. Is that really different? :??: 
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May 23, 2012 1:44:24 PM

I am unable to find why that's listed like that....

check this out....
https://pcpartpicker.com/parts/memory/#m=11&s=301600&z=...

They are latency timing. The latency/speed ratio gives you the lag time in retrieving that first byte of data. In real world performance, you may see only a small difference in performance.

Probably not worth worrying about it. The choice is taking Corsair or G.SKills or something else that has a 9-9-9-24 or check out other Z77 motherboards (MSI Z77-GD65) or Asus sabertooth.

My question: why do you worry about 9-9-9-24. The mobo spec does not say you need 9-9-9-24. Check this link. Scroll to the bottom, where you find RAM recommendations. They have different latencies.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 23, 2012 2:51:10 PM

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[My question: why do you worry about 9-9-9-24. The mobo spec does not say you need 9-9-9-24. Check this link. Scroll to the bottom, where you find RAM recommendations. They have different latencies./quote]

Ha. Are you asking me or is that a hypothetical question?

I wasn't really worried about 9-9-9-24 and that is why I initially ordered this:


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G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q-32GBXL

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I thought you expressed concern about the 10-10-10-30 so then I ordered this:


#2
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-32GXM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I think the second kit is better and it is listed as dual channel rather than quad channel like the first kit listed above. My motherboard, P8Z77-V PRO, lists Dual Channel Memory Architecture.

(Don't know if you saw my post above where the kit you recommended I think was 8 x 4GB.)

I think kit #2 listed above is the better choice. Do you think it is ok?

Thanks again.
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