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for 4 yrs ive survived using an old amd 64 2.2gh machine
using xp 2 gig of memory it served its purpose work.
ps im in the uk. nottingham.

looking to buy something a little a better, money is a factor
or lack of it. so im trying to put together something around 300
pounds minus the graphics card. trying to get most of the products
from the same place and what they dont have they can probably
get list of parts i have so far. need any feedback please
reason for machine work and the odd game.
parts not included yet hard drive. 500gig will do
os for now xp will upgrade that later

AMD Phenom II X4 965 - 3.4 Ghz AM3 Black Edition CPU
125w. 100 pounds working on it

Samsung 22X +/- DVD-RW SATA Dual Layer Black (OEM
£16
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4678

Right-Tec 600W ATX PSU 12cm Fan
£ 21.00
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4577

Cmedia 4 Channel PCI Sound Card
£ 5.00
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=1433

ATX Case Vision Black/Blue
£ 29.00
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=6203

Asus M5A78L (Skt AM3+) DDR3
£ 57.00 Inc VAT
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=6151

Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Memory Kit CL9 1.5V
http://www.ebuyer.com/166995-crucial-4gb-2x2gb-ddr3-1333mhz-pc3-10600-memory-kit-cl9-1-5v-ct2kit25664ba1339
£19.00inc. vat

any tips welcome
 
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Ditch that sound card. Onboard will be just as good if not better. That is a budget power supply. Your power supply is basically the most important part of your computer and is NOT somewhere to save a buck.

We need to know what graphics card you will be adding to recommend a certain power supply size but good brands are Corsair, Seasoinc, PC Power and Cooling, XFX, Enermax. Silverstone and Antec.
 
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ok graphics card will be nvidia this part will come last and
seperate small steps as they say. the shop will 5yrs warrenty
a bare bones system even without a card. card will have to be
around or no more than 100 pounds - my goal - as long as i can
play the odd game reasonably thats all im interested in at the moment.

i was always told from yrs ago using on board sound draws from
the processor is this true? the reason i didnt care about the sound
is because on my current pc using 5.1 sound card, as long as i can
hear i didnt care - im not a perfectionist .

ok the mobo pick ok bad ? something better that does just as
well but cheaper ? is the memory pick ok remember current os
xp which wont above 4 gig anyways, will move to a better os later
2x2 gig memory or just 1 4 gig stick which is better and does
it matter ? and i hear voltage of the memory is important.

missing part hard drive 500gig will do can u recomend one
again i hear speed and density of drive is all important to
the whole system so as not to bottle it. are my choices so far
likely to cause an issue
 
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Back in the old single CPU days having the sound offload to the CPU used to matter. In todays modern multicore computers you will never notice and motherboard sound is almost as good as a high end sound card. Probably better than the card you had picked out.

DDR3 will probqably never be cheaper than it is right now. The market is fully saturated and if anything prices will just go up in the long term. Here is 8GB for less than twice what you are paying for 4GB. Might as well get it while it's cheap. Voltage does matter but more on an Intel Sandy Bridge system than an AMD system. 1.5v is fine either way.

http://www.ebuyer.com/248846-corsair-vengeance-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-cl9-1-5v-non-ecc-unbuffered-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9

For a hard drive go with a Samsung Spinpoint F3, Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 or a Western Digital Black. All 3 are performance drives and are roughly equal in speed. Whatever is cheaper will be fine.

Without knowing what your graphics card is going to be I can not recommend a specific power supply. As I said above do not buy that cheap crap you have picked out. Stick with the brands I listed above.
 
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Corsair power supplies are very good. That CX line is their budget line however, and while still good is not as good as the Antec or the XFX.

The most important thing about power supplies is not the wattage it's the amps. The Corsair has a 40A 12v rail. The XFX despite being "only" a 550w power supply manages a 53A 12v rail. So in effect the XFX is a more powerful unit since most of the power a modern computer pulls is from the 12v rail.

For the same money go with the XFX. It's more powerful and higher quality.

The Antec has the advantage of being modular. This keeps your case nice and neat and leaves you good airflow. In order I would choose 1) XFX 2) Antec 3) Corsair.

This might help. Not a perfect list but pretty accurate.

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
 
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Yes that XFX is a great power supply. That's the one. It's plenty of power supply for pretty much any single graphics card you put in your computer. Even if you upgrade to a high end card later on.
 
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were getting there slowly
next up i was reading this on the mobo i looked at

4 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1800(O.C.)/1600(O.C.)/1333/1066 Hz Memory

does this mean it supports 1866 memory ?
and if so as i currently only have xp which supports 4
gig and right now budget is tight couldnt i go with a 4 gig
stick till i get w/7 to save a few quid. again just curious
which of the brands would u recommend ? from ebuyer

and next up as i seem to be able to find most of what i
want on ebuyer do you no the board u picked here to begin with
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=6151
which is the same version on ebuyer as i see 3/4 of that brand ?
 
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Yes the board supports 1866 memory. The cheapest RAM for the best performance right now is DDR3 1600. As I said above DDR3 is unlikely to get any cheaper than it is right now. 8GB kits here in the US are $45 so thats something to think about if you can fit it in your budget now you may pay less than if you buy later.

GSkill Ripjaws X and Corsair Vengance are the brands I recommend. you want 1.5v DDR3 1600 cas 9 ( for the best value/performance ).

I'm not sure what you mean about the board. That link is broken. The board you had picked out is a good choice though.
 
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link is ok just web system website is down
what i was asking was, the mobo i found on web systems website
ebuyer has 4 modos of the same brand at simlar prices i was trying
to figure out wich 1 was the same as the 1 on the web systens link
so i can get the whole lot from ebuyer

so u say 1600 is the best bang for your money
could u recommend a brand
 
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If you plan on overclocking the processor then you need an aftermarket cooler. The Coolermaster Hyper 212+ or Hyper 212 Evo. are both very good low cost options.

The website is still down so I can't look at your case. In general you want at least 1 fan in the front blowing cool air in and 1 fan in the rear blowing out warm air not including your power supply fan. When you start overclocking then more airflow is better. If you are staying at stock speeds then you do not need the CPU cooler but I would still make sure you have at least 2 case fans and more will not hurt.
 
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ok web systems back up now this is the board u said was ok
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=6151

i tried searching the same mobo on ebuyer but i found 2/3
around the same price. as i dont no the difference if u have
any free time it would be appreciated if u could point out
wich is the same one on ebuyer.

ebyer 8 gig 2x4 all around same price can u recommend which
is the better
http://www.ebuyer.com/search?q=memory+1600&x=0&y=0

sorry if your getting fed up here - a noobie appreciates it

ps do all mobos have sockets to add these extra fans for in/out air
also being a bit more of a pro than me and i have no idea about
o/c can u recomend a decent processor cooler for the 965
 
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This is the same motherboard you had picked out on the other site.

http://www.ebuyer.com/269076-asus-m5a78l-usb3-amd-socket-am3-8-channel-hd-audio-atx-motherboard-m5a78l-usb3

This is great RAM.

http://www.ebuyer.com/264750-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-ripjawsx-memory-kit-cl9-9-9-9-24-1-5v-f3-12800cl9d-8gbxl

This is the cooler I recommended above.

http://www.ebuyer.com/288855-coolermaster-hyper-212-evo-rr-212e-16pk-r1

Depending on the fan you buy it will either plug into the motherboard or directly into the power supply. Either way will work. I like these Antec TriCool fans. They plug right into the power supply and have 3 speeds depending on how much cooling you need. They move a good bit of air on low and are nearly silent. Just pick an LED color you like or get a plain one if you do not want the lights.

http://www.ebuyer.com/search?q=antec+tricool&x=0&y=0
 
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I have never hard of that case before. It might be a UK specific case or just specific to that website. Looks like it has good cooling but I have no idea about build quality. It is a standard ATX size so your parts will all fit fine.
 
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spoke with my local shop the parts they dont they
are ordering in so i get my 5yrs warranty if they guild it.
finished item is

AMD Phenom II X4 965
LiteOn iHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW
XFX 550W Core Edition Pro PSU
ATX Case Vision Black/Blue
Asus M5A78L/USB3 AMD Socket AM3
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz RipjawsX
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - they cant get the other 1
Seagate 500GB SATA III

total 400 quid + 25 quid build.
 
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So $675 and they build it and warranty it for 5 years. Not too bad. Should be quite a step up from that old machine you were using.
 
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