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February 5, 2012 2:55:08 AM

Okay, I've been doing some research, and I've come up with this build. I include the peripherals I'm buying, because I have nothing right now. Please tell me what you think of this as a budget gaming build. My goal is to have a computer able to play SWTOR on medium settings at 30+ FPS (I know, really ambitious, right?).

My thanks to Bang for Buck Gaming. A large part of this build came from their February $400 Gaming Build. However, I'm willing to spend a little more money to get things new, and I took advantage of a few deals I found on Newegg. Still, they did most of the work for me.

CPU: ($70**) Intel Pentium G620 Sandy Bridge 2.6GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core
GPU: ($60*) HIS Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
Motherboard: ($55) ASRock H61M-VS LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX
RAM: ($19*) CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
Hard Drive: ($85) Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
Case: ($40) Rosewill R103A Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
DVD Drive: ($10**) LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA
Keyboard: ($7) Rosewill RK-100 Black
Speakers: ($9) Cyber Acoustics CA-2002 2.0 2 Piece
OS: ($100) Windows 7


*After Rebates.
**Bundled for $80.
February 5, 2012 3:03:29 AM

If you plan to upgrade your motherboard at all in the life time of windows 7 i suggest getting the full version of windows. Other wise when you replace your motherboard your oem version of windows can not be installed on your new system with the new motherboard as per microsofts terms of service.
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February 5, 2012 6:47:29 AM

I don't know about the PSU, but this looks like a nice budget build :) 
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February 5, 2012 6:46:47 PM

vollman1 said:
I don't know about the PSU, but this looks like a nice budget build :) 


The case includes a 350W 20+4 pin PSU. Made it a really nice value.


zolton33 said:
If you plan to upgrade your motherboard at all in the life time of windows 7 i suggest getting the full version of windows. Other wise when you replace your motherboard your oem version of windows can not be installed on your new system with the new motherboard as per microsofts terms of service.


According to the copy of the Windows 7 License Agreement I found, you actually can transfer your copy of Windows 7. Is that document incorrect, or inaplicable for some reason? If so, how much will a transferable version cost me?

(This is the one I'm currently planning on buying.)
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February 5, 2012 6:58:45 PM

I know of people who have swapped mobos and the only thing that they had to do was call the MS support and jump through a few hoops to get a key for their new mobo.
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February 5, 2012 7:10:06 PM

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Click detail features and scroll down to Software Terms of Use it states:

Use of this OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. This software is intended for pre-installation on a new personal computer for resale. This OEM System Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end user support for the Windows software and cannot be transferred to another computer once it is installed. To acquire Windows software with support provided by Microsoft please see our full package "Retail" product offerings.

Now on newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Click details and read the Disclaimer:

Use of this OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. This software is intended for pre-installation on a new personal computer for resale. This OEM System Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end user support for the Windows software and cannot be transferred to another computer once it is installed. To acquire Windows software with support provided by Microsoft please see our full package "Retail" product offerings.

Microsoft tells them to put that there but you have to hunt for it to actually find it most of the time. It is the small print intended to snag an extra 100.00 bucks from you.
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February 5, 2012 7:14:26 PM

vollman1 said:
I know of people who have swapped mobos and the only thing that they had to do was call the MS support and jump through a few hoops to get a key for their new mobo.

They were lucky if they had told microsoft which version of windows they were calling about and that they performed a motherboard upgrade then i do not think things would have gone as smoothly. Its clear in their terms of service. I can not 100% say for sure they will reactivate your windows can you? I'd rather be safe then sorry. Some may get lucky but generally most won't. Do you really want to take a 100.00 gamble? I know i don't.
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February 5, 2012 7:20:46 PM

How many people have you known that had a problem like you are describing? Just curious. ;) 
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February 5, 2012 7:32:55 PM

vollman1 said:
How many people have you known that had a problem like you are describing? Just curious. ;) 

You do realize that installing oem on your system for home is considered illegal by microsofts terms of service? I suggest reading up on it. Just because your cousins best friend doug had no problems and your sisters boyfriends dad had no problems does that mean you won't? Try calling the microsoft support then explain how you installed an oem version on your home pc and are now switching it to your new pc because you upgraded your old motherboard and processor and ask if that is acceptable then mention how you read on their oem site that you are not allowed to do that if you built the pc yourself. Saying anything less would be lying to them and your install of oem even if they oked it would be considered illegal as well as pirated.
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February 5, 2012 7:46:00 PM

zolton33 said:
You do realize that installing oem on your system for home is considered illegal by microsofts terms of service? I suggest reading up on it. Just because your cousins best friend doug had no problems and your sisters boyfriends dad had no problems does that mean you won't? Try calling the microsoft support then explain how you installed an oem version on your home pc and are now switching it to your new pc because you upgraded your old motherboard and processor and ask if that is acceptable then mention how you read on their oem site that you are not allowed to do that if you built the pc yourself. Saying anything less would be lying to them and your install of oem even if they oked it would be considered illegal as well as pirated.


So...

How many people do you know of?
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February 5, 2012 8:04:20 PM

I was going to install an OEM version of Windows 7 (was tempted to pirate, but wanted to "do the right thing"), and then heard how it was apparently "illegal" by Windows 7 EULA. I was conflicted, and finally called Microsoft and directly asked them. I continually said, "I built a PC myself, and want to install Windows 7. Is it okay if I purchase the OEM disc?"

The person replied with a yes. So I repeated the question multiple times, clearly stating and emphasizing that it will be my personal computer not resold. Every time I received a yes.

So I recently purchased Windows 7 OEM on Newegg.
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February 5, 2012 8:08:08 PM

It's real experiences like these that matter more than an "interpretation" of legal contracts.
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February 5, 2012 8:17:13 PM

I think that Microsoft would bust Newegg (as well as other online sellers), and PCMaximum for allowing people to purchase OEM software and for making people think it is alright. :p 
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February 5, 2012 9:02:43 PM

For a new build its no problem. But the problem begins when you upgrade the motherboard.
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February 5, 2012 9:31:36 PM

zolton33 said:
For a new build its no problem. But the problem begins when you upgrade the motherboard.


I thought about upgrading the motherboard down the road in my build, but I saw no point.
I would be upgrading my monitor and installing a video card long before I would think of a new Mobo.
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February 5, 2012 9:44:42 PM

vollman1 said:
It's real experiences like these that matter more than an "interpretation" of legal contracts.



I can search and find alot of roms as well as mp3's and movies and download them. Does that make them any less illegal that i can do it? Just because you can do it does not make it legal. The terms of service from microsoft are clear on using the oem version of windows. Telling some one that they can put in a new motherboard and reinstall their oem is basically going against microsofts tos and also telling some one its ok to do something illegal. I suggest you read these forums tos Violations - It violates the Tom's Hardware Rules of Conduct if you engage in any of the following activity:
Post, promote or distribute any content that is illegal.
Promote or encourage activity which is illegal, such as hacking, cracking, scamming.
By microsofts tos it is even illegal to reccomend an oem version for a system build that is to be used by the person building it as it clearly states you can only install an oem in a pc meant for resell.
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February 5, 2012 9:52:14 PM

So...

How many people do you know who have had the issue that you are describing? ;) 
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February 5, 2012 10:16:50 PM

vollman1 said:
So...

How many people do you know who have had the issue that you are describing? ;) 



Do you really think you are smart by repeatedly posting the same question over and over? You would not believe me either way as you have your own view on this. So what is the point? The terms of service on oems are very clear that they are not meant to be put in a persons own pc. And if you do use it (illegally by microsofts tos) and try to upgrade your system you need to buy a new oem (although technically your first version was illegal and a second is just repeating the illegal action).
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February 5, 2012 10:34:37 PM

zolton33 said:
Do you really think you are smart by repeatedly posting the same question over and over? You would not believe me either way as you have your own view on this. So what is the point? The terms of service on oems are very clear that they are not meant to be put in a persons own pc. And if you do use it (illegally by microsofts tos) and try to upgrade your system you need to buy a new oem (although technically your first version was illegal and a second is just repeating the illegal action).







Dude take it down a notch its not like this person is the only person who does this and by the way Microsoft does not care if you use this for a system build just if you reuse it over and over again. And by that matter your not even suppose to do that on the 200$ version of windows. I've actually ask some one at Microsoft about this and they said you can use this if your a system builder. Just only on 1 board.
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February 5, 2012 10:37:49 PM

SingingThroughTheStorm said:
I was going to install an OEM version of Windows 7 (was tempted to pirate, but wanted to "do the right thing"), and then heard how it was apparently "illegal" by Windows 7 EULA. I was conflicted, and finally called Microsoft and directly asked them. I continually said, "I built a PC myself, and want to install Windows 7. Is it okay if I purchase the OEM disc?"

The person replied with a yes. So I repeated the question multiple times, clearly stating and emphasizing that it will be my personal computer not resold. Every time I received a yes.

So I recently purchased Windows 7 OEM on Newegg.


Did you see this yet? :o 
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February 5, 2012 10:42:17 PM

jdwii said:
Dude take it down a notch its not like this person is the only person who does this and by the way Microsoft does not care if you use this for a system build just if you reuse it over and over again. And by that matter your not even suppose to do that on the 200$ version of windows. I've actually ask some one at Microsoft about this and they said you can use this if your a system builder. Just only on 1 board.



Yes if you are a System builder but those building a pc for themselves are called hobbyist and as such put in another category. The home full version you can reinstall it in as many new systems as you want as long as its only active on one pc at a time (meaning you must uninstall the old os on the old system first) that one has the most flexible license key. The oem is meant to be used in a new build to be sold and has no support they expect the builder to handle any and all support for the system. They tie the oem to the motherboard any change in the motherboard from the one that the os is installed on nullifies the license agreement and you are not meant to install it on the system with the new motherboard.
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February 5, 2012 10:43:08 PM

SingingThroughTheStorm said:
I was going to install an OEM version of Windows 7 (was tempted to pirate, but wanted to "do the right thing"), and then heard how it was apparently "illegal" by Windows 7 EULA. I was conflicted, and finally called Microsoft and directly asked them. I continually said, "I built a PC myself, and want to install Windows 7. Is it okay if I purchase the OEM disc?"

The person replied with a yes. So I repeated the question multiple times, clearly stating and emphasizing that it will be my personal computer not resold. Every time I received a yes.

So I recently purchased Windows 7 OEM on Newegg.




+1 That's what i did! If this Person is building a 570$ build and need 7 this is the very first thing he needs to do is get the Oem edition!
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February 5, 2012 10:44:25 PM

zolton33 said:
Yes if you are a System builder but those building a pc for themselves are called hobbyist and as such put in another category. The home full version you can reinstall it in as many new systems as you want as long as its only active on one pc at a time (meaning you must uninstall the old os on the old system first) that one has the most flexible license key. The oem is meant to be used in a new build to be sold and has no support they expect the builder to handle any and all support for the system. They tie the oem to the motherboard any change in the motherboard from the one that the os is installed on nullifies the license agreement and you are not meant to install it on the system with the new motherboard.





DO you work for Microsoft???????????? DO you I'm wondering, If you don't give them a call before giving wrong info Please!
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February 5, 2012 10:45:19 PM

vollman1 said:
Did you see this yet? :o 

Yes and it makes my point in that it is licensed to the motherboard now if he upgraded the motherboard even if the motherboard was defective you can not install it on that new system. The only exception is if you replace it with the same exact make and model motherboard that was in the system before.
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February 5, 2012 10:48:01 PM

zolton33 said:
Yes and it makes my point in that it is licensed to the motherboard now if he upgraded the motherboard even if the motherboard was defective you can not install it on that new system. The only exception is if you replace it with the same exact make and model motherboard that was in the system before.





Now this part is True, He could probably get away with it if he lied but it is Illegal! And should not even be talk about on this site but he CAN install this on 1 machine call Microsoft your self.
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February 5, 2012 10:48:49 PM

jdwii said:
DO you work for Microsoft???????????? DO you I'm wondering, If you don't give them a call before giving wrong info Please!



A post stickied in windows 7 here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/23305-63-windows-vers...

My post full of research i have done into the oem version and self built pc's:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/35396-63-windows

I do not work for microsoft and am poed that they changed their tos but that does not change the fact that they did change their tos. And its not wrong info learn to read and research it yourself.
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February 5, 2012 10:49:59 PM

zolton33 said:
Yes and it makes my point in that it is licensed to the motherboard now if he upgraded the motherboard even if the motherboard was defective you can not install it on that new system. The only exception is if you replace it with the same exact make and model motherboard that was in the system before.


And how many people do you know who have had this problem? :pfff: 

Edit:

Sorry OP, for feeding the trolls :( 
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February 5, 2012 10:54:06 PM

jdwii said:
Now this part is True, He could probably get away with it if he lied but it is Illegal! And should not even be talk about on this site but he CAN install this on 1 machine call Microsoft your self.



That is my point. The install of it alone on your own system for personal use is considered against the license agreement. But even if you go against it and install the os any way upgrading or replacing your motherboard nulls the license agreement you had when you installed it.
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February 5, 2012 11:01:09 PM

vollman1 said:
And how many people do you know who have had this problem? :pfff: 

Edit:

Sorry OP, for feeding the trolls :( 



I question if you know what a troll is to be honest. And that question can not be answered. Its like if a woman asks you "Does this dress make my butt look fat?" You say no they will not believe you and if you say the truth and say yes they will get upset. So keep on asking and i'll put your posts on ignore. You only ask to try and say "see you do not know any one that has" or "I don't believe you as i know many people who have had no trouble". And neither of those changes the fact that its against the license agreement on the oem to install the os on a system for personal use.
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February 5, 2012 11:11:01 PM

Your build looks really good OP. Be careful on the PSU and make sure it is at least 80+ certified. :D 
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February 5, 2012 11:43:43 PM

zolton33 said:
That is my point. The install of it alone on your own system for personal use is considered against the license agreement. But even if you go against it and install the os any way upgrading or replacing your motherboard nulls the license agreement you had when you installed it.






It's ok if you think you know more then Microsoft employers, But to set their and say your crap to some one else is BS.
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February 5, 2012 11:46:14 PM

jdwii said:
It's ok if you think you know more then Microsoft employers, But to set their and say your crap to some one else is BS.



Please point to where i said this. And if you'd check out my topic and do the reading and research yourself you will see that what i am saying is right.
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February 5, 2012 11:58:32 PM

zolton33 said:
Please point to where i said this. And if you'd check out my topic and do the reading and research yourself you will see that what i am saying is right.



Now i'm not going to argue with you over this, If this person only have 570$ to use on a system build then he should not spend 200$ alone on W7. And lots of people do this it's not like Microsoft is going to come down and bust threw the doors. If you want to tell this person to build a 570$ machine and have him spend 200$ alone on W7 alone then fine but i wont knowing the 100$ version will work 100% fine.
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February 6, 2012 12:06:25 AM

jdwii said:
Now i'm not going to argue with you over this, If this person only have 570$ to use on a system build then he should not spend 200$ alone on W7. And lots of people do this it's not like Microsoft is going to come down and bust threw the doors. If you want to tell this person to build a 570$ machine and have him spend 200$ alone on W7 alone then fine but i wont knowing the 100$ version will work 100% fine.



Like i said earlier just because you can do something does not make it right or legal in most circumstances. Yes alot of people are buying these for their systems and installing them. But i feel its best some one knows what they are getting into. And microsoft can disable your windows no need for them to come to your door. Yes 100 sounds awsome but not if you upgrade later and have to buy a new oem as they refuse to validate your windows 7 and by then you could have bought the full version and skipped the head ache.
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February 6, 2012 12:17:42 AM

zolton33 said:
Like i said earlier just because you can do something does not make it right or legal in most circumstances. Yes alot of people are buying these for their systems and installing them. But i feel its best some one knows what they are getting into. And microsoft can disable your windows no need for them to come to your door. Yes 100 sounds awsome but not if you upgrade later and have to buy a new oem as they refuse to validate your windows 7 and by then you could have bought the full version and skipped the head ache.


This part is true. But 570$ is not a lot and 370$ build will not be half as good as the 470$ build.
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February 6, 2012 2:13:57 AM

Thanks for all the opinions guys, even if some got a little heated. Here's what I've learned:

  • OEM is $100. Retail is $200.
  • Odds are low that I'm going to upgrade, but it's possible.
  • If I do upgrade, I'll spend the money to buy a really good motherboard that won't need upgrading for a good long time.
  • I'll also contact microsoft, and completely and honestly explain my situation. I might be able to reuse my license, but most likely I'll have to buy a new one for $100.

    Based on that, here are the possible outcomes.

  • I never upgrade my motherboard. $100
  • I upgrade my motherboard, and am allowed to reuse the same license. $100
  • I upgrade my motherboard, but have to buy a new license. $200

    I'm definitely not serious enough about system building to be upgrading my motherboard twice before Windows 8 comes out. If I do upgrade once, I'll spring for a nice one that will last me a long time. I honestly doubt I'll be upgrading even once during the lifetime of Windows 7, but it might happen. So most likely, I'll only be spending $100. However, worst-case scenario is that I end up spending $200, which is just as much as the retail version would cost now.

    I'm not going to potentially waste $100 to insure against my upgrading my motherboard twice before Windows 8 comes out. OEM is the best value for my situation.

    Thanks again for all the info and opinions, guys.
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    February 6, 2012 2:28:12 AM

    Ahhh the voice of reason!

    Good luck :) 
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