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February 6, 2012 8:05:28 AM

hey all looking for some help or ideas of what i should do here.

big wall of text so please bear with me, trying to get as much insight as possible.

Approximate Purchase Date:about 6 weeks

Budget Range:$1600 to $2100 less would be better

System Usage from Most to Least Important: pretty much only gaming

Parts Not Required:e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:newegg or tigerdirect or anywhere thats good.

Country:usa

Parts Preferences:by brand or type, intel and nvidia (maybe amd GPU if it could be better and cheaper.

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes maybe tri in the future some time if anyone thinks it will be worth it? even on a pci 3.0 slot

Monitor Resolution:going to buy a new monitor a while after i build so as high as I can in resolution.

Additional Comments: well ive been looking at alot of stuff and decided to go with a z68 mobo cause i want compatibility with ivy bridge when it comes out and pci 3.0.

So im not sure if I should buy the stuff now that I know is good and tested that I know will not fail (probaly) and have no probs with. Or wait for the ivy bridge mobos and cpus to come and get them instead.Which I might have to spend more money on and not be a huge improvment and from what ive read the first ivy cpu wont have a unlocked multyplier.(which i want)

Also not sure of Sata3. sata2, sata and esata and the compatibility with the hdd or ssd that I get.

ok so parts I have in mind if I build now.


PSU:
havent looked into one much but want to do sli or crossfire down the road so anyone recomend one would be great. I was thinking 800w to 1000w.

HDD or SSD:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
or
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

not sure of the difference between them. Wanted them for the 7200rpm and the 64mb memory.Would also maybe get a SSD drive now or in the future for the right price.I dont need the 2tb space atm so a good hdd for cheaper or a SSD would be good. Not interested in raid either
Also what are the pros and cons of both? And really only wanted a good storage device for quicker gaming as I read that the storage device can affect that as the cpu will be waiting for it.

mobo:
Ok so this im having big probs with. Get a tried and true z68 or wait for the ivybridge ones to come out and get that for more money and a cpu then too.Also want at least 2 psi 3.0 slots and also at least 2 sata 6gbs slots.Also would like one that is good for OClocking.

Also want one to be compatible with Turbo Boost 2.0 Technology ,K-Series unlocked CPU and HyperThreading Technology. Not sure if the hyperthreading is important or not if I get a 2500k chip and upgrade to a ivybridge later if it will matter with that.

looked at a few mobos and the prob is that there is always the one thing missing that i wont and the other mobo will have it but is missing somthing else.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Extre...
this one has everything I want: nf200 chip so I can sli at 16/16 but only 1 pci 3.0 slot which is no good for when I get a ivy bridge cpu and have a pair of pci 3.0 gpu's. Not sure if I get 1 pci 3.0 compatible gpu and only a 2500k cpu I know the pci 3.0 will not work until I get a ivybridge cpu (which might be better so I dont spend $500 now on a pci 2.0 gpu and then spen another $500 later on a pci 3.0 gpu or get 2 pci 2.0 gpus now ).

So a bit of a dilemma, and also not sure about how a amd gpu works on a intel mobo?

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Fatal1ty Z68 Professional Gen3&cat=Specifications
so this one has what I need but no nf200 chip so no 16/16 if I go sli now and also read some bad reviews on it.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
this one looks good, has 2 pci 3.0 slots, 4 usb 3.0 ports, but no nf200 chip and has a intergrated gpu ( will probaly buy the gpu a bit later then the rest of the parts so this will let me use the computer in the meantime I think? does anyone know?) Also not to sure on the differences between this and the deluxe gen 3 and which one is the best for me.

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z6...
also has 2 pci 3.0 slots, only 2x 6gbs sata ports, no nf200 and also has intergrated gpu. Also less pci slot altogeather so not sure how goos 2 gpus will fit in and leave enough room to breath. especialy if they are big.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
well this one has the pci 3.0 , also not sure how important usb 3.0 are, but I will be using a usb mouse and keyboard so if the usb 3.0 speed helps that all the better. also has 2 sata 6gbs port and one is shared with a esata 3 port which not sure how that works.

well thats the mobos and I was also looking at some gigabyte and msi ones also.So anyhelp here would be great.

cpu:intel core i5 2500k
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
not sure if I should get this or the i7 2600k or i7 2700k

gpu: $609 Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 OC (GV-R797OC-3GD)

was looking at this one because I will have compatability with pci 3.0 if or when I get a ivy bridge cpu and also this one kept up there with dual GTX 590's and also dual dual HD 6990 check this review http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/33697-gigabyte-r...

so yeah not sure if i should get this one and get onother later on or get 1 or 2 pci 2.0 gpu's and keep them and the sandybridge cpu for as long as possible.

so any advice on other good gpu's would be great and I would rather go with nvidia any way but am very intereted in the 7970.

CPU cooler: any that is recomended, want to do OClocking and want a very good one.

Case: also any that can be recomended

thermal paste: any recomended

OS:$ 140 windows 7 pro x64
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

RAM: any that is recomended Im not sure how muh I will need though.

well I think that is all as of now, everyones help is greatly appreciated




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February 6, 2012 8:18:12 AM

if you are going for tri/quad, then the lga 2011/1366 is the best bet for you my friend.

if 1/2 gpu then the i5 2500k/2400 wiill be more than enough for gaming,

intel i7 3930K,msi x79a-gd65 8D, msi gtx560ti tf2/oc 2GB, 16gb g.skill ripjaws/x/z quad channel 1600mhz, if not then 32gb would be great too for bragging rights and self satisfaction.

seasonic x850w 80plus gold if you go for 2way sli/xfire if not then the corsair hc1050w or the corsair ax1200w is the best bet, but for quad fire/quad sli then the asus rog IV or something is good,

the set up i have on my sig, is just almost the same with your budget, and i bought them here and its more expensive here than the usual price, thats why after that i've been buying from tigerdirect directly or newegg much better,

going to put some link from newegg for good deals for lga 2011 and a lga 1155 so i'll see what i can do, but since your sticking to home premium a 4x2gb 1333/1600mhz ram is good enough, but its better if you can grab a pro but if can't then yeah
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February 6, 2012 8:29:27 AM

ah ok so I need windows pro 64bit to use more then 16gb of ram , ill switch to that
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February 6, 2012 8:38:25 AM

[LGA 2011]

Processor: 599.99$
Intel i7 3930K SB-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mother Board: 289.99$
MSI X79A-GD65 (8D)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

219.99> 189.99$ after mail-in rebate
MSI X79MA-GD45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card: 349.99$> 329.99$ after mail-in rebate
ASUS GTX570
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: 84.99$ > 64.99$ after mail-in rebate
Patriot Extreme Performance 16gb (4x4GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(free 8GB micro sdhc w/ purchage, limited offer)

Hard Disk Drive: 129.99$
Western Digital Caviar Blue
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Solid Slate Drive: 176.99$
Crucial M4 128GB SSD SATAIII
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Disk Drive:

Power Supply:
Seasonic x850W 210.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

Seasonic x1250W 269.99$ (w/ 15% promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Chassis: 199.99$ > 179.99$ mail-in rebate
Cooler Master Haf X
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler: 89.99$
Noctua NH-D14
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ok going to edit this while tweaking something on this lga 2011 set up


ok going with the seasonic x850w (for 2-way sli) and the msi x79a-gd65 8D mobo you get this at a total of 2072.91$ after rebate
we can still tone it down by getting the gd45 mobo. oh let me remind you this will be using 1 GPU as you don't really need 2 gpu but with this board, your very open for upgrades with another 16gb ram if you want to since its quite cheap with a good patriot,

you can upgrade this by going for another gtx570 or if in the future you want get the new gtx 6xx/7xx and use this g tx570 as physix if by the time most games uses physix or if you really love eye candy ok going to edit this more by putting all the prices available with different combinations with the set up above

msi gd65 8d with x850w = 2,072.91$ after rebate (2-way sli)
msi gd65 with x1250w = 2,131.91$ after rebate (haven't calculated the 15% off from the x1250w seasonic) [this is for 3-way sli]
msi gd65 with x1250w (@ 15% off psu = 229.49$) = 2,091.41$ after rebate [this is for 3-way sli]

edit: ok this is with all after rebate + the 15% off from the psu of x1250W
gd45 + x850w
1,972.91

gd45 + x1250w (15%off)
1,991.41

gd65 8d + x850w
2,091.41$

gd65 8d + x1250w (15%off)
2,072.91$

ok now im going to set up some nice lga 1155 and you go and compare which one you want
just let me tell you an i5 2500k soon you would really need to upgrade it to new ivy bridge or or the one after it depending on technology if they go at a really fast zoom,
but with the hexacore you would be keeping it due to having 6 cores and a really fast one too, for a long time without upgrading the cpu just the gpu and maybe add more ram depending on your need,
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February 6, 2012 8:48:13 AM

reserve for the lga 1155 set up just pretty much the same just that the hexacore is more future proof although i don't really believe in future proofing, but gaming wise same capabilities with the hexacore hardly notice much difference, only advantage this hexacore has over the i5 2500k recommended for gaming = if you want to do alot of other stuff besides gaming lets say once you like to do lots of stuff then the hexacore is for you,
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February 6, 2012 8:48:25 AM

thats alot for the cpu and everytime ive looked for it the last week its been out of stock.
also but not sure if its truem I read online that the lga 2011 mobos will only be compatible with the extreme editions of the ivybridge cpu's and if that the case I wouldnt want to get a lga 2011 mobo as the extreme cpu.s are out of my price range.
does anyone know if thats true?

I probaly wont end up doing 3 gpus ause if I get a 7970 or a nvidia version pci 3.0 and get 1 more later I think I would have way enough graphics, Anyone else agree?

I do like the msi board you linked though mainly because of the 3 pci.3 slots and the many sata 6gb ports, but not a fan of the $600 cpu I would need for it.

wish I could put a 2500k in it though

Yeah I will be only using the for gaming and interet and mabe burnin sone moies but whe I game nothing else will be running anyway.Maybe a capture card one day.
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February 6, 2012 8:58:56 AM

well even if you had the extreme edition of 2011 sandy bridge you wouldn't look back, as it's also fairly good, but later on i'll look for a nice 1155 after im done calculating stuff for the lga2011 then it's up for you to decide, as both are just almost similar in pricing, difference will be just a few fps gaming wise
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February 6, 2012 9:04:01 AM

ok thanks

been researching for the last 2 weeks on it
any idea when a unlocked ivybridge cpu will be released and the next mobos?
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February 6, 2012 9:10:20 AM

probably around mid of this year or close to the end of this year, it's quite a long wait, ok now with this lga 1155 the difference is just the cpu/mobo everything else is the same, as you can live with a kit of 4 rams from patriot and put them in the 4 slots of lga 1155 since its much cheaper to buy kit of 4 than kit of 2 and buy 2 kit. ok going to post a new one in a few min writting them down at excel for faster calculation
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February 6, 2012 9:20:00 AM

ok instead of editing the one above heres a lga 1155 for you

Processor: 229.99$
Intel i5 2500K Sandy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mother board: 229.99$ > 189.99$ after mail-in rebate
MSi Z68A-GD80 (Gen 3)(G3)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card: 329.99$
ASUS GTX570
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: 84.99$ > 64.99$ after mail-in rebate
Patriot Extreme Performance 16gb (4x4GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(Free 8GB micro SDHC w/ purchase, limited offer)

Hard Disk Drive: 129.99$
Western Digital Caviar Blue
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Solid Slate Drive: 176.99$
Crucial M4 128GB SSD SATAIII
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply:
Seasonic x850W 210.99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

Seasonic x1250W 269.99$ (w/ 15% promo code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Chassis: 199.99$ > 179.99$ mail-in rebate
Cooler Master Haf X
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler: 89.99$
Noctua NH-D14
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this is the over all total

x850w = 1,621.41$ (after rebate)
x1250w = 1,602.91$ (after rebate and the 15% off from psu)

if you prefer to save up more money then this is the best option for you and i do suggest getting the x1250 if you can still get the 15% off from the psu, since its much cheaper than way, but if you want to go for more power and better handling in the next few years then go grab the hexa core
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February 6, 2012 9:25:31 AM

thanks

do you think that the msi lga 1155 board you linked is better thank this


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

that is a great build and price and I love the case. is that a good cooling case? ie: if im overclocking the cpu and gpu?

and what do ypu recommend the best way to setup fans in that case?like a pull air in from the front? exhaust out back and top?

And how do the cpu fans work? do they blow air onto the cpu or pull air out fron the cpu?
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February 6, 2012 9:30:44 AM

go grab that 16gb patriot i put up there it got some extra freebies with such a great deal, and go 16gb on lga 1155 although you won't be using all of it but it doesn't really matter at least you won't be seeing your cpu usage go above 50% which is a nice eye candy or at least if it satisfy you that current system doesn't uses up all your memory, as most memory using games go up to 6gb-7.7gb usage,

oh i can vouch you for these 2 setup as i actually use them i have both of these

but i use the gtx560ti 2gb msi sli on my 3930k and same with my i5 2500k, for gaming hardly any difference, just a few frames above 3930k but if you decide to do some video/music stuff or cad/maya or whatever interest you in the future then the hexacore is your best friend, oh with an i5 2500k you hardly have bragging rights too but with an i7 3930k (not 3960x its above 1,000$) it will give you some bragging rights too but the more expensive 3960x will really give you bragging rights lol XO

but anyways if you got any question about that build just ask here, or if you want more tweaking on it, as i use both of these system for gaming and well the i7 i also use for other stuff and i think i can help you with a few questions you might ask, and just in case some people ask
why not amd gpu, he did say he prefer any nvidia but amd is also nice, but for now we will go price/performance,

if you go multi monitor then the 6970 is the way to go close to the gtx570 in price but it has 2gb vram, whith the 1.2gb of gtx, but even with multi monitor x2 gtx570 in sli is also very good but of course 6970 in tri fire is also very good, it's just down to users preference, i also use amd gpu on my amd pc, i use phenomii x6and an bulldozer 8150, with 6970's also got some 6850 for test if you got any question for those as those are also good for their very cheap price but with the i7 3930k, we might as well go big with it, on a gtx570, some people might ask why i don't put gtx580's well if you were to say the gtx580s 1.5gb then it's not good for the price/performance ratio, or any of the dual gpu cards with it too, and if you want the gtx580 3gb then i would say the hd 7950/7970 at he same price of gtx580 or close to it's price is much better than those 3gb gtx580
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February 6, 2012 9:34:21 AM

Bioptix said:
thanks

do you think that the msi lga 1155 board you linked is better thank this


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...



Multi-GPU Support: CrossFireX Ready
4-Way SLI

(if you were to use more than 1 gpu then you have to use a amd card for that mobo) (ASUS)

for the msi mobo i put above

(MULTI-GPU SUPPORT WITH CROSSFIREX AND SLI) (MSI)

still your call and with rebate the msi is cheaper, but without rebate the msi is more expensive,

edit: looking at that asus mobo = 4-way crossfire = 2 way crossfire of hd 6990 (dual gpu) = quad fire
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February 6, 2012 9:46:35 AM

if you can grab one of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

then get it no doubt its good for the performance but performance/price ration at our current games/program you don't really need it a good gtx570 1.2gb or a msi gtx560ti twin frozr II/oc 2gb is more than enough, at single then just add another one,

for gpu either of these 2 i would recommend
asus gtx570 1.2gb 349.99$>329.99$ after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

msi gtx560ti 2gb 269.99$>249.99$ after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 6, 2012 9:51:20 AM

so the 6990 i two gpu's in 1?
im really thinking of saving a bit more and getting the 7970oc for $600 and getting another down the road and having only the 2 cards in crossfire.

But i really want a nvidia card that is pci 3.0 ready.


do you think when nvidia brings out there pci3.0 ards it will be better than the 7970?

Why do I have to use amd if I go sli on the asus pro gen 3?
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February 6, 2012 9:55:38 AM

I was looking to get this one because it is PCI 3.0 ready for when I get a ivybridge cpu and pick another 1 up later also
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and also looking at some benchmarks it gets 16fps over the gtx 580 22fps over the 570 and double the fps of the 560i, and thats not even overclocked.
and also I would think this one would be able to last alot longer in terms of good high fpr in future game and specialy when i get another
your thoughts? and thoughts on amd vs nvidia?
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February 6, 2012 10:01:28 AM

dont worry the msi is G3(gen 3)

WORLD’S 1ST PCI EXPRESS GEN 3 MAINBOARD BRAND
With ultra-high 32GB/s transfer bandwidth, PCI Express Gen 3 provides a 2X faster transfer rate than the previous generation, which delivers amazing capabilities for true next generation extreme gaming. (Note: To run the PCI Express 3.0 slots in Gen 3 speed, CPU supporting PCI Express 3.0 is required. If you install the Sandy Bridge CPU, the PCI Express 3.0 slots will run only at Gen2 speed.)
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