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I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
ever heard this level of communication before.
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"Plan9" <benzplan9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
> to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
> as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
> discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
> started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
> pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
> before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
> sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
> ever heard this level of communication before.
Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
minute.
A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
up to date if I call and get them.
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:46:49 -0400, Plan9 <benzplan9@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
>to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
>as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
>discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
>started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
>pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
>before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
> sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
> ever heard this level of communication before.
Do you have SIM update notification turned on or off? If on you
should have gotten something on your phone as a message that your SIM
card was updated.
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"Plan9" <benzplan9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
> to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
> as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
> discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
> started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
> pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
> before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
> sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
> ever heard this level of communication before.
I think it was Big Brother enabling the "listen in" feature remotely on your
phone.
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Where I live it was 7/8/2005 6:38 PM, when Joseph wrote:
> Do you have SIM update notification turned on or off? If on you
> should have gotten something on your phone as a message that your SIM
> card was updated.
I hunted through the Motorola V600 manual and could not find a setting
for "SIM update notification". Is this feature available on a V600?
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Where I live it was 7/8/2005 2:31 PM, when bamp wrote:
> Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
> pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
> minute.
You're probably correct about the length of time. It could have been
less than a minute. My sense of time length is screwy unless I count
- "thousand and one, thousand and two, thousand and three, ......"
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:31:18 -0500, "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet>
graced us with:
>
>"Plan9" <benzplan9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
>> to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
>> as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
>> discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
>> started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
>> pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
>> before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
>> sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
>> ever heard this level of communication before.
>
>
>Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
>pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
>minute.
>
>A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
>up to date if I call and get them.
>
>
>bamp
>
Bamp -
How do you 'call' for an update? Is this limited to specific phones
or will it work for all Cingular branded phones?
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"subdude" <subdude2REMOVETOREPLY@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:31:18 -0500, "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet>
> graced us with:
>
>>
>>"Plan9" <benzplan9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:6Zyze.40785$qm.5130@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
>>> to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
>>> as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
>>> discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
>>> started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
>>> pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
>>> before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
>>> sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
>>> ever heard this level of communication before.
>>
>>
>>Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
>>pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
>>minute.
>>
>>A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
>>up to date if I call and get them.
>>
>>
>>bamp
>>
> Bamp -
>
> How do you 'call' for an update? Is this limited to specific phones
> or will it work for all Cingular branded phones?
>
> subdude
Phone Cingular CS and ask, they will send it to you. You should call on a
land line, they prefer your phone is turned off when they send it. When you
receive it you will get a message to turn your phone off & back on.
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:41:03 -0500, "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet>
graced us with:
>>>
>>>Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
>>>pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
>>>minute.
>>>
>>>A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
>>>up to date if I call and get them.
>>>
>>>
>>>bamp
>>>
>> Bamp -
>>
>> How do you 'call' for an update? Is this limited to specific phones
>> or will it work for all Cingular branded phones?
>>
>> subdude
>
>Phone Cingular CS and ask, they will send it to you. You should call on a
>land line, they prefer your phone is turned off when they send it. When you
>receive it you will get a message to turn your phone off & back on.
>
>Yes it will work on all Cingular GSM phones.
>
>bamp
>
Thanks, Bro (or Sis <G> ).
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subdude wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:41:03 -0500, "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet>
> graced us with:
>
>
>
>>>>Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
>>>>pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
>>>>minute.
>>>>
>>>>A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
>>>>up to date if I call and get them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>bamp
>>>>
>>>
>>>Bamp -
>>>
>>>How do you 'call' for an update? Is this limited to specific phones
>>>or will it work for all Cingular branded phones?
>>>
>>>subdude
>>
>>Phone Cingular CS and ask, they will send it to you. You should call on a
>>land line, they prefer your phone is turned off when they send it. When you
>>receive it you will get a message to turn your phone off & back on.
>>
>>Yes it will work on all Cingular GSM phones.
>>
>>bamp
>>
>
> Thanks, Bro (or Sis <G> ).
>
> sudude
I might also mention that I've been told your handset needs to be on
it's home network - not roaming out in the breezes somewhere.
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its called GSM. get used to it! It's just checking in with the tower
is all.
the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another. Say
your phone preferes the 310-410 (orange) network but you get better
signal on the 310-380 (blue) network, they can send you a push to
change your phones preference to the blue, but they prefer not to. You
may have to call a few times before you get a cs rep who will do it.
> A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know
> I'm
whoever told you this was smoking crack. There are no OTA updates
except for pushes to change network preferences. There are not even
any phones on the market yet that allow for any type of OTA software
updates. if that's what you ment.
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In <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
-0500, troyboy30 <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote:
>the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
>is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.
Updates can also change the roaming list.
>Say
>your phone preferes the 310-410 (orange) network but you get better
>signal on the 310-380 (blue) network, they can send you a push to
>change your phones preference to the blue, but they prefer not to. You
>may have to call a few times before you get a cs rep who will do it.
That only works with ENS-capable phones and 64K SIMs.
>> A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know
>> I'm
>
>whoever told you this was smoking crack. There are no OTA updates
>except for pushes to change network preferences. There are not even
>any phones on the market yet that allow for any type of OTA software
>updates. if that's what you ment.
Not true. I've gotten unsolicited Cingular OTA updates on my Sony Ericsson
Z600.
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if you are with cingular and have a semi new phone then your phone
should have ens. Neither ens or the 64k sim has anything to do with
your 'home' or prefered network. Besides the sim holding the network
list info. Ens does nothing more than help with load balancing. It
does not make your phone grab the strongest signal. It will still hold
on to the home network signal no matter how weak it is. Ens allows it
to change to another tower depending on the load on the tower you are
presently registered to.
You're confusing the term update with push, which are not refered to as
OTA. An update implies a software update, which is not possible, not
even on the z600. You sure you don't mean unsolicited messages of some
sort? Every push or OTA I have ever requested was totally invisible on
my end.
the easiest solution is to enabled manual network selection on your
phone so you can change to a stronger signal whenever you want. You
can use motokit to enable the advanced menus on the v600.
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:56:24 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
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>In <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
>-0500, troyboy30 <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote:
>
>>the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
>>is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.
>
>Updates can also change the roaming list.
Wait a minute. Is this like a Verzon style PRL?
I thought the network controlled everything with GSM or is this
specifically an ENS thing?
If I understand ENS, it is a workaround until the networks are fully
integrated.
My RAZRs are imports so they don't have ENS but seem to function
pretty well.
I was especially surprised to find myself on a t-mobile tower here in
Stroudsburg, PA one day. It happens all the time in NY but I didn't
know there were agreements outside NY/NJ. Sure as heck didn't work
the other way a few months ago.
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"troyboy30" <troyboy30.1s02uy@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote in message
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>
> if you are with cingular and have a semi new phone then your phone
> should have ens. Neither ens or the 64k sim has anything to do with
> your 'home' or prefered network. Besides the sim holding the network
> list info. Ens does nothing more than help with load balancing. It
> does not make your phone grab the strongest signal. It will still hold
> on to the home network signal no matter how weak it is. Ens allows it
> to change to another tower depending on the load on the tower you are
> presently registered to.
>
> You're confusing the term update with push, which are not refered to as
> OTA. An update implies a software update, which is not possible, not
> even on the z600. You sure you don't mean unsolicited messages of some
> sort? Every push or OTA I have ever requested was totally invisible on
> my end.
>
> the easiest solution is to enabled manual network selection on your
> phone so you can change to a stronger signal whenever you want. You
> can use motokit to enable the advanced menus on the v600.
>
>
> --
> troyboy30
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I've had an update sent to my phone every month for the last 6 months. The
CSR that I get always has sent it to me by asking for it.
Go to the Cingular Support Forums, get on live chat and ask if they send SIM
updates to your phone. The address is: http://forums.cingular.com/cng
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I have a brand new 64k sim. There are no updates! they are brand new!
lol
I did have them make 'blue' my pref network intead of orange becouse of
better reception at my house. By updates, what do you mean. They can
send a update to your sim to change your pref network, but thats not
called an update its an opl push. To me at least, update means
software related. Like updates for your pc and phone software updates
cant be done ota.
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In <8gt4d1pngmhlde9onbr57rk2epra2o8pu9@4ax.com> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:42:12
-0400, nospam@ptd.net wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:56:24 GMT, John Navas
><spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>
>>In <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
>>-0500, troyboy30 <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote:
>>
>>>the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
>>>is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.
>>
>>Updates can also change the roaming list.
>
>Wait a minute. Is this like a Verzon style PRL?
It's similar.
>I thought the network controlled everything with GSM or is this
>specifically an ENS thing?
Roaming is also network controlled.
>If I understand ENS, it is a workaround until the networks are fully
>integrated.
Correct.
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:35:51 GMT, John Navas
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>
>In <8gt4d1pngmhlde9onbr57rk2epra2o8pu9@4ax.com> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:42:12
>-0400, nospam@ptd.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:56:24 GMT, John Navas
>><spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>>
>>>In <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
>>>-0500, troyboy30 <troyboy30.1rzv7z@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
>>>>is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.
>>>
>>>Updates can also change the roaming list.
>>
>>Wait a minute. Is this like a Verzon style PRL?
>
>It's similar.
>
>>I thought the network controlled everything with GSM or is this
>>specifically an ENS thing?
>
>Roaming is also network controlled.
>
>>If I understand ENS, it is a workaround until the networks are fully
>>integrated.
>
>Correct.
Thanks.
One question I forgot to ask is if it's worth going through the hassle
of a FLEX to get ENS. I have changed a few bits with a SEEM edit but
haven't tried the FLEX thing.
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>
> Do you have SIM update notification turned on or off? If on you
> should have gotten something on your phone as a message that your SIM
> card was updated.
Okay, as a newbie to Cingular, fresh with his RAZR V3:
1. WHat does a SIM update do? Is it equiovalent to a PRL update on a
CDMA phone?
2. How does one turn on SIM Update notification?
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