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December 8, 2011 8:20:08 PM

I have a PNY GeForce GTX 580 1.5gb, my CPU is an AMD Phenom II X4 840 @ 3.2GHz and I'm getting some low framerates in some games. Is this a bottleneck?

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December 8, 2011 8:22:46 PM

I used to have the Radeon HD 5770 and now I have the GeForce GTX 580. My framerates seem to be about the same between the two. I'm wondering if its worth downgrading to my 5770 again. Is it worth it?
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 8, 2011 8:24:15 PM

No way , stick to the 580 by all means.
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December 8, 2011 8:26:03 PM

It's weird cause when I'm in a game such as Mount and Blade Warband, I'm actually getting worse fps with my 580 than I would be with my 5770. Based on both of the graphics cards specs, there's only a 100MHz difference between the two, based on memory/clock speed
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a c 272 U Graphics card
December 8, 2011 8:26:56 PM

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    a c 88 U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 8:33:38 PM

    Thats is strange that you are getting lower peformance, have you increased the eye candy more on the 580 than what you did with the 5770?
    What resolution are you playing at?
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    December 8, 2011 8:34:36 PM

    1080p, eye candy?
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    a c 88 U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 8:37:04 PM

    Have you increased the graphics settings to higher options?
    Like Anti Aliasing and ambient Oclusion, V sync etc?
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    December 8, 2011 8:38:54 PM

    No, standard
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    a c 88 U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 8:51:12 PM

    Check all your settings in the Nvidia control panel and make sure they are optimised for better performance. Have you got the lastest drivers from the Nvidia website?
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 8:52:06 PM

    "Phenom II X4 840" - Bottleneck

    Problem: Its basicly an athlon II x4.

    Try overclocking it as much as you can.

    Or if possible get a 960T and overclock/unlock it.
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 8:55:35 PM

    Well, have to ask, you did uninstall all the old ATI drivers and software before downloaded and installed the latest nVidia drivers, right?
    You Phenom II is not hurting you that much.
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 8:59:32 PM

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    "Phenom II X4 840" - Bottleneck

    Problem: Its basicly an athlon II x4.

    Try overclocking it as much as you can.

    Or if possible get a 960T and overclock/unlock it.


    It sounds a lot like a bottleneck to me because you can max pretty much anything out there on a 580 and easily get smooth frames at 1080 res. It is also a significantly more powerful card than the 5770. It is more than 5 tiers higher on the hierarchy chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-ca...

    Do you have an adequate PSU? Connected correctly, ie: both power input sockets are being used on the side of the 580?

    Newest cleanly installed drivers?

    Something is obviously not right though, because you should be playing on max settings easily.
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    December 8, 2011 9:01:22 PM

    Yes, I uninstalled the ATI drivers yesterday and reinstalled the Nvidia drivers but it didn't make a difference.
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 9:04:27 PM

    squilly827 said:
    Yes, I uninstalled the ATI drivers yesterday and reinstalled the Nvidia drivers but it didn't make a difference.



    Then here are some things to check.
    How hot is the processor getting? Is it being throttled because it's running hot?
    What is your PSU, it is powerful enough to run the 580?
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    December 8, 2011 9:06:37 PM

    If you really liked the performance of the 5770 more, then sell your 580. The 580 is without a doubt a more powerful card, but certain games work better with nvidia cards, and some work better with ATI cards.

    Honestly either of these cards should be able to play this game at 1080p resolution with everything turned on, this isn't a graphics killer like Metro or Crysis. It only needs 128mb dx9 card to work.

    When in doubt, reinstall your OS, then add drivers and the game only and see if things are better. Just make sure you backup anything important, or use an alternate drive/partition.

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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 9:10:08 PM

    I doubt a quad core over 3Ghz is going to bottleneck a gtx580 or any graphics card. It's probably a driver issue. Completely delete all old drivers (may need to run Driver Sweeper in safe-mode), then re-install the latest drivers.

    If that doesn't help, you need to monitor you CPU and GPU usage and temperatures. Also, what PSU do you have and did you remember to connect the power cables?
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    December 8, 2011 9:11:52 PM

    There's no way, NO WAY this thread is not a troll.

    Derp, I got this new Ferrari, but it's not accelerating any faster than my old Corolla. I still buy my gas from the same gas station, is that a bottleneck? Should I downgrade back to the Corolla? LOL giggle giggle

    Gimme a break.
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    a c 106 U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 9:13:44 PM

    List your full system specs. Also what resolution and settings are you playing this game at? A GTX 580 is twice as fast as a 5770 so there is no way you can blame it for giving you lower performance, unless you have a crappy PSU or something. Also, did you use driver sweeper or something to remove the catalyst drivers after you uninstalled them?
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 9:14:51 PM

    intel4eva said:
    There's no way, NO WAY this thread is not a troll.

    Derp, I got this new Ferrari, but it's not accelerating any faster than my old Corolla. I still buy my gas from the same gas station, is that a bottleneck? Should I downgrade back to the Corolla? LOL giggle giggle

    Gimme a break.


    lol, that was my first thought as well, but there could be an issue at work here, I have seen things like this in the past.
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    December 8, 2011 9:28:16 PM

    Energy96 said:
    lol, that was my first thought as well, but there could be an issue at work here, I have seen things like this in the past.


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    It's weird cause when I'm in a game such as Mount and Blade Warband, I'm actually getting worse fps with my 580 than I would be with my 5770. Based on both of the graphics cards specs, there's only a 100MHz difference between the two, based on memory/clock speed


    The game he is talking about.....

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    System requirements
    OS: Windows® XP
    Processor: Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz or AMD 2.5 GHz
    Memory: 512MB RAM
    Graphics: 3D graphics card with 64MB RAM
    Hard Drive: 100 MB available space
    Sound: Standard audio


    I Vote Troll..

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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 9:34:11 PM

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    The game he is talking about.....

    Quote:
    System requirements
    OS: Windows® XP
    Processor: Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz or AMD 2.5 GHz
    Memory: 512MB RAM
    Graphics: 3D graphics card with 64MB RAM
    Hard Drive: 100 MB available space
    Sound: Standard audio


    I Vote Troll..



    You are probably right, no one would buy a 580 to play that old game, or even a 5770 for that matter.
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    December 8, 2011 9:34:48 PM

    It's not a troll, I'm using a TX750 so I have more than enough power to run one 580. I can't tell what the CPU temperature is at from CPU-Z but I doubt its over heating. I already deleted all of the nVidia drivers, other than the chipset, and deleted all of the previous ATI drivers, then reinstalled the nVidia drivers. Here's a recent pic from photobucket of the current fps in M&B with the 580: http://s894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/squilly827/?ac... and stats with furmark at a preset of 1080, resolution 1920 x 1080: http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/furmark_score_190.php... . Its a little lower than usual because I have all my windows open but still bad, even for that.
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    December 8, 2011 9:38:11 PM

    I chose M&B cause its an extremely easy game to max out, which is weird for me to get these stats.
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 9:51:15 PM

    I laughing too much to even bother trying to help out at this point.
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    December 8, 2011 9:55:57 PM

    It's not a troll.....battlefield 3 is laggy as well, not sure if they fixed the memory leak but I'm running with 4gb RAM which is recommended. Other than that, it just comes down to the CPU and GPU.....
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    December 8, 2011 10:16:17 PM

    I'm having Bottleneck issues with my HD5870 & Quad Core Q9550 overclocked @3.352Ghz so i think it's definitely a bottleneck.


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    December 8, 2011 10:20:18 PM

    Here's the thing that may be the cause of it. Sounds odd but I was stupid enough to take out my CPU, heatsink and fan and put it all back in, together. The pins on the CPU were bent and I was luckily able to unbend them. I'm on it now but wondering if the bent pins altered the overall performance. Based on CPU-Z, I'm fine with core speed at 1900 MHz, bus speed at 200 MHz, HT Link at 1004 MHz, anything seem unusual there? Now GPU-Z (For PNY GeForce GTX 580 1.5gb) : GPU Clock: 805 MHz, memory: 1050 MHz, Shader: 1610 MHz, GPU current temp: 42 C. Anything unusual there?
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 11:34:31 PM

    I cant believe that you guys bought into this obvious troll thread, the TS is obviously joking!
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    December 8, 2011 11:36:59 PM

    Teamview with me, I'm not kidding....ID: 728172616 port: 6261, just trying to get this fixed....
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 11:41:35 PM

    Screenshot gpu-z, i want to see something
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 11:50:51 PM

    uhm... why has no one asked what resolution he is running? or to test his temps... Furmark for the gpu (atleast 15 mins) and prime95 for the cpu (atleast 15 mins) report back here with the max temps
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    December 8, 2011 11:52:48 PM

    Resolution is 1920 x 1080p, I believe, I already posted a furmark test and I'll do the "prime95" for CPU now
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 8, 2011 11:52:52 PM

    1080p screenshots and furmark link

    temps are in furmark link

    I say downgrade driver to 280.26
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    December 8, 2011 11:58:50 PM

    I guess I'll give it a shot. I just updated it to 290.36 beta earlier today and didn't change anything...
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 9, 2011 12:04:24 AM

    have you tried using driver sweeper or its equivalent?
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    December 9, 2011 12:05:44 AM

    CCleaner
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    December 9, 2011 5:38:32 AM

    All the tests passed on Prime95
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    December 9, 2011 8:20:51 AM

    if you can try a clean install of windows
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    December 9, 2011 10:16:37 AM

    I'm not looking to do an entire reformat of my computer over something that may not ecenfix it. I tried what I needed to with drivers in ccleaner, no luck. Only two remaining options are either a bottleneck, which I'd be screwed, or its just a defective card, which I doubt.
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    December 9, 2011 10:23:03 AM

    hapkido said:
    I doubt a quad core over 3Ghz is going to bottleneck a gtx580 or any graphics card. It's probably a driver issue. Completely delete all old drivers (may need to run Driver Sweeper in safe-mode), then re-install the latest drivers.

    If that doesn't help, you need to monitor you CPU and GPU usage and temperatures. Also, what PSU do you have and did you remember to connect the power cables?


    Hell, yes, a quad core will be bottlenecking a 580. My old 955 was putting a bottleneck on my 580, and my 8-core is only just not bottlenecking my two 6950s.
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    December 9, 2011 10:35:07 AM

    FtsArTek said:
    Hell, yes, a quad core will be bottlenecking a 580. My old 955 was putting a bottleneck on my 580, and my 8-core is only just not bottlenecking my two 6950s.



    uh, okay if you say so :sarcastic: 
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    a b U Graphics card
    December 9, 2011 12:06:57 PM

    I am concerned about the whole bent pin processor issue that was brought up about 2/3 of the way down this thread. Sounds to me like you have more problems with your build than are relating here. What else did you completely screw up when you assembled your rig? I am beginning to see the problem, and I think its between the keyboard and the chair.
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    December 9, 2011 12:23:28 PM

    Mousemonkey said:
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  • Sorry i did'nt understand what does it means what are you trying to say
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    a c 272 U Graphics card
    December 9, 2011 12:57:17 PM

    assassin123 said:
    Sorry i did'nt understand what does it means what are you trying to say

    That's an automated post, you had two threads on the same subject and that's the post that gets generated by the system when those threads get merged into one.
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    December 9, 2011 6:36:51 PM

    jitpublisher said:
    I am concerned about the whole bent pin processor issue that was brought up about 2/3 of the way down this thread. Sounds to me like you have more problems with your build than are relating here. What else did you completely screw up when you assembled your rig? I am beginning to see the problem, and I think its between the keyboard and the chair.

    Ouch, it was a prebuilt rig I decided to upgrade - big mistake. If I had the money, I would build. The only thing is the CPU that got fucked up. My concern is the GPU, I doubt the CPU is still or most likely, my rig won't be functioning correctly. The only thing thats not is the GPU. My last score on furmark was a little under 600 but that was with all my applications open. Before that, it was with everyone else around 900 - 1100. If its worth it, I'll probably build but I doubt I'll get much better performance, the only other main thing I'd change is the CPU to an i5 2500k but my motherboard isn't compatible with it (Asus M4N68T-M V2).

    Watch your language!
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