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May 24, 2012 2:16:49 PM

Was told that I had to reset the cmos on my msi mobo. Reason being is that the person who gave it to me had disabled the onboard graphics. I removed the battery from mobo and moved the jumper from pins 1-2 to 2-3. it has been like this for about an hour (he had pulled gpu card to use in another pc). Hw called me @7am this morning to find out if I had it up and running and he told me he had disabled the onboard. I also understand that support for win xp will be discontinued some time next year by microsoft. I love that opsys. since this mobo will support 64bit should I install xp pro 64bit and is it that much better than 32bit. I do not like win vista and for some reason windows 7 seems hard for me to navigate. that may be due to the fact that i have used xp since it first came out. have discs for xp home 32bit, xp pro 32bit, xp pro 64bit and vista but not a disc for windows 7. also have office2007 enterprise and office 2010 corporate 64bit. please advise as to what ould be best. pc has a 2.8ghz pc that is unlocked 4gig ram and hard drive space is no problem (close to 1tb internal hdd space). CPU is amd 7750 black edition :??: 

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May 24, 2012 8:59:06 PM

Resetting BIOS is either done by removing the battery or moving the jumper for a few seconds. It is still fine to run XP 32 bit sp3, support ending for it is just that they will stop sending updates.
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May 25, 2012 12:56:57 AM

rolli59 said:
Resetting BIOS is either done by removing the battery or moving the jumper for a few seconds. It is still fine to run XP 32 bit sp3, support ending for it is just that they will stop sending updates.

Wasn't sure what they actually meant by stopping support for xp.THANX. I know ima justa dumb gal and i think i may have really messed up. like i said i had removed the battery and had moved the jumper both eas like this for over and two hours. move jumper back but forgot to put battery in. hooked up power cord and turned on still no video. I hope i didn't mess up the mobo or anything else. when did get video unplugged power cord and put side on nd move to the side. was furstrated when got back to work table to put things away that is when i found the battery. don't know if ture or not but was told once i got video all i had to do was to remove hdds from this dell to that pc. but i don't know for sure and because of different type of bios i don't think it would work. would you please enlighten me on this. it would be nice if i could but...........
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July 16, 2012 5:44:28 PM

Sometimes you need to turn the PC on with it shorted in 2-3. Seeing as you removed the battery this shouldn't be the case. Jumper it 1-2, put battery in, try turning it on. Success?

I wouldn't use XP64. Normal 32bit XP should be fine.
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July 16, 2012 6:04:46 PM

4745454b said:
Sometimes you need to turn the PC on with it shorted in 2-3. Seeing as you removed the battery this shouldn't be the case. Jumper it 1-2, put battery in, try turning it on. Success?

I wouldn't use XP64. Normal 32bit XP should be fine.


I took the battery out and left it out for almost 2 weeks. I unhooked the ac power cord and had the jumper on pins 2 and 3 and hit the power button using just battery power. I had taken the battery out of my dell to make sure it had a full charge. I then put the jumper back on pins 1 and 2 hooked up ac cord and turned on. no post or anything. I think when he pulled the graphic card out that he somehow shorted out the mobo. these are the parts i have: power supply, 4 gig of ddr2 memory, 940 pin amd am2 dual core cpu, and cpu fan, hdds, dvd burner, cd burner, a real nice case. Guess i am going to have to try to find a mobo that i can use these parts on. I know i have forgotten to list something so if you ask me i will let you know what i have. Maybe i can or you can find me an inexpense mobo that these parts can be used with
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July 16, 2012 6:42:23 PM

Model number on mobo and PSU? 7750BE should work on any motherboard it fits in as its a first gen CPU. But maybe it needs a bios update to make it post.

I'm thinking its more a power issue if he's sure the board works. If you have a bad PSU or one not hooked up correctly/fully then it won't post. Also possible the CPU is bad as the BE were used for OCing and it might have died.
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July 16, 2012 6:55:47 PM

4745454b said:
Model number on mobo and PSU? 7750BE should work on any motherboard it fits in as its a first gen CPU. But maybe it needs a bios update to make it post.

I'm thinking its more a power issue if he's sure the board works. If you have a bad PSU or one not hooked up correctly/fully then it won't post. Also possible the CPU is bad as the BE were used for OCing and it might have died.

the mobo num is k96pgm2-v the power supply is atx switching ps 450 watts. how wouldyou update the bios if its not running I don't know what you mean by" as the BE were used for OCing unless ocing means overclocking. Let me see what size of ps i have in my dell. other than that i think the largest ps i have is 300 watts. Dang I am dumb now i know that BE stands for black edition. without even checking the size of the ps in the dell it should be powerful enough as it has 1 usb1 and 4 usb ports built in and i have a 4 port pci usb2 in it and a 4 port usb hub hooked up to it and allthe ports are full and in use most of the time. i have a wireless keyboard and mouse hooked up, 2 printers, wireless broadband, external cd and dvd burner, web cam, and one open port for my flash drives. Do you think that it might be powerful enough, also shouldn't it post even if the cpu is bad. Rick said that if it didn't work that he had another cpu he could send but i don't think it is as fast as this one is suppose to be
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July 17, 2012 1:47:12 AM

MSI's website didn't like that model number. Doing fast online search says it was a special board that they made for someone else. You can't update the bios if its not running. Either dead CPU/board, power not hooked up fully/correctly, or dead PSU. Easiest thing to check is PSU hooked up. You have the 20 or 24 pin main ATX bundle in securely? 4 or 8 pin plugged in as well? Ram plugged in? Try other ram slots?
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July 17, 2012 2:12:26 AM

4745454b said:
MSI's website didn't like that model number. Doing fast online search says it was a special board that they made for someone else. You can't update the bios if its not running. Either dead CPU/board, power not hooked up fully/correctly, or dead PSU. Easiest thing to check is PSU hooked up. You have the 20 or 24 pin main ATX bundle in securely? 4 or 8 pin plugged in as well? Ram plugged in? Try other ram slots?


Have just rechecked power plugs both the 24 and 4 pin still no go. I am thinking of pulling mobo and psu completely out. Will pull psu 1st and try in my dell pc, if it will power up then i will pull mobo and go over it with a fine tooth comb and check to see if there is any burnt marks on it. I also have 3 sticks of cruial 1 gig memory with built on heatsinks ( they are ddr2) and try them if i can't find any burnt marks on mobo. I will be sure to wear a grounding strap while i am doing this. it's homade just a real long length of real flexible wire with alligator clip at one end and bare wire to go around my wrist. If that doesn't resolve the problem i will see if rick will send me the other cpu. The booklet that came with the mobo on the front plainly states the the number is K96NPGM2 WITH NVIDIA GEFORCE MCP61+ NFORCE 430 CHIPSET. IF YOU NEED IT i will see if i can find a serial number on the mother board. It also says it supports AM2 for AMD Sempron, Athlon 64, and athlon 64 X2 and AM+ 95W processors. the only other psu is a sparkle 300W that has both the 24pin and 4pin connectors. I may have mistype number of mobo earlier. What would happen if i pull cmos jumper completely of and power up pc. Alos hae never had a pc with sata. Dvd that came with it is sata so should it be plugged into the sata 1 or sata 2 socket as i will be using ide for the hard drive.
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July 17, 2012 2:22:29 AM

i did mistype mobo number earlier i left the "N" out
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July 17, 2012 3:11:01 AM

The wrong CPU for the slot or a CPU with bent pins could keep the computer from displaying any signs of life.

Outside of bent pins, a bad CPU won't usually keep a computer from displaying any signs of life, it will usually just cause all kinds of blue screens and similar stability problems.

If you try to turn a computer on with the battery out of the computer it doesn't do any serious damage. The job of the battery is to help the computer remember various settings like what time it is and what parts are connected to the motherboard. If you take the battery out the computer will forget those things and it will be forced to re-discover everything like it had to do the first time it was turned on. That is all.

If you have a data only drive it doesn't really matter for the most part what computer it is plugged into. If it has an OS on it, then you can't move it without causing problems in the new computer most of the time.

If a CPU is working it doesn't usually stop working the next day even if it is OCd. Heavily OCd processors can easily blow up motherboards, but they don't usually blow themselves up. Usually, something else goes first. It is possible, although highly unlikely, that the CPU would be bad if it used to be working unless it was removed, the pins bent, and reinserted.

If you have tons of USB devices plugged into the computer, I would take out whatever you can stand to be without in the short term while you are trying to fix things. Large numbers of USB devices make it hard on even good PSUs. In fact, after video cards USB devices are probably the next biggest killer of PSUs.

Lots of USB devices could conceivably also make it restart over and over endlessly.

It is unlikely you will find any actual burn marks on the motherboard, even if it got killed by something.

You generally want to plug SATA devices into the motherboard starting with the lowest numbered port first, so 0 if you have it or 1 if you don't.

I wouldn't put a lot of trust in the Sparkle 300w, but it should at least get the computer to show signs of life if the current PSU is DOA and the Sparkle one isn't, even if the result was just endless restarting.
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July 17, 2012 3:47:03 AM

Raiddinn said:
The wrong CPU for the slot or a CPU with bent pins could keep the computer from displaying any signs of life.

Outside of bent pins, a bad CPU won't usually keep a computer from displaying any signs of life, it will usually just cause all kinds of blue screens and similar stability problems.

If you try to turn a computer on with the battery out of the computer it doesn't do any serious damage. The job of the battery is to help the computer remember various settings like what time it is and what parts are connected to the motherboard. If you take the battery out the computer will forget those things and it will be forced to re-discover everything like it had to do the first time it was turned on. That is all.

If you have a data only drive it doesn't really matter for the most part what computer it is plugged into. If it has an OS on it, then you can't move it without causing problems in the new computer most of the time.

If a CPU is working it doesn't usually stop working the next day even if it is OCd. Heavily OCd processors can easily blow up motherboards, but they don't usually blow themselves up. Usually, something else goes first. It is possible, although highly unlikely, that the CPU would be bad if it used to be working unless it was removed, the pins bent, and reinserted.

If you have tons of USB devices plugged into the computer, I would take out whatever you can stand to be without in the short term while you are trying to fix things. Large numbers of USB devices make it hard on even good PSUs. In fact, after video cards USB devices are probably the next biggest killer of PSUs.

Lots of USB devices could conceivably also make it restart over and over endlessly.

It is unlikely you will find any actual burn marks on the motherboard, even if it got killed by something.

You generally want to plug SATA devices into the motherboard starting with the lowest numbered port first, so 0 if you have it or 1 if you don't.

I wouldn't put a lot of trust in the Sparkle 300w, but it should at least get the computer to show signs of life if the current PSU is DOA and the Sparkle one isn't, even if the result was just endless restarting.



99.9% of the time neither one of the printers or the external cd id turned on flash drive is only used as needed. When i installed the cpu it fell right into place but will pull and check for a bent pin. The first time i tried the msi i had it hooked up to my flat screen then hooked up to composite. composite just showed a snowy screen but i cannot remember if it went to standby or not. If a psu is dead will the power button be green when turned on and will the cpu fan work because both do when i push the power button. the reason i said i would look for burn marks is because i had a gateway that stopped working and actually found a burn mark close to the fan connector. when i push the power button it stays on just no video or any posting. I also do not hear any type of beeping which i think if i did that would mean that the ram is bad. is that correct. Here is a list of other mobo i have but don't think they are even as good as the dell: foxconn 661fxme, dell dimension 1100, and hp p6b580m, plus and old pc 800 . Is it possible that it wouldn't post because it has no op sys on it????
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July 17, 2012 3:57:20 AM

If it turn on then back off, either its not getting the right power, or the board is shot.

OS shouldn't matter. Bios should boot.
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July 17, 2012 4:05:27 AM

4745454b said:
If it turn on then back off, either its not getting the right power, or the board is shot.

OS shouldn't matter. Bios should boot.

I have a friend that has all the tool to check a psu outside of the case. Problem is he lives in Jacksonville, Fl and doesn't come to waycross and i have no transportation to get to him but will call him tomorrow and ask him to bring his equipment the next time he comes up hereso he can check it out. Outside of that I don't know what else to do. I really believe that the mobo is dead. Its just a feeling i have. Oh well guess i am stuck with this dell for awile longer HAHA!
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July 17, 2012 4:18:19 AM

Are you sure the cable is plugged into the right video port and that the monitor is set to display the right info whether digital or analog?
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July 17, 2012 4:31:24 AM

Raiddinn said:
Are you sure the cable is plugged into the right video port and that the monitor is set to display the right info whether digital or analog?

Basically all i have done is installed the cpu and use artic silver 5 on it put in a hdd outside of what i have told you. I haven't did anything else to it. Does a composite monitor have to be set. I don't have a gpu just onboard
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July 17, 2012 6:02:29 AM

Monitor or not it should power up. It shouldn't come on then back off.
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July 17, 2012 7:38:50 AM

4745454b said:
Monitor or not it should power up. It shouldn't come on then back off.

It doesn't turn off and on it stay on until i push the on/off switch again. It just doesn't post and since it has been so long since i have messed with it i am not sure if the monitor goes to standby or what. Like i said i think the mobo is dead or maybe the bios is shot. If you will go back to msi.com and view the mobo , this is the correct number this time K9N6PGM2 you will notice that there is 2 sata connectors and one dual ide connector. the DVD that is already installed is a sata. my hdds are ide and if needed i can install an IDE DVD. The reason i am asking you to look at it again is so that you can tell me exactly what to hook to where. looking at the layout of the mobo in my booklet under pci 2 slot and to the far left is is a JAUD1 connector when looking at the mobo itself there is a small cable hooked to it running to the front of the pc then to the right of it is JCD1 nothing it hooked to it to the right of it is SPDOUT1 to the right id FDD1 to the right of that is JFP2 to the right of that and sitting vertically is JFP1 which has a 6 wire ribbon type cable running to the front of the case. Sitting above the JFP2 connector is JUSB1 and JUSB2. JUSB2 has round cable running to front of case. sitting above this is sata1 and sata2 connectors. Sitting above this is JBAT1 and the pins from left to right are 1 ,2, and 3. Maybe this will help you help me to get this thing running. If you have anymore question please ask will be up for about another hour and a half
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July 18, 2012 1:36:21 AM

Where is the jumper on jbat1? 1-2 or 2-3?

If it turns on and just sits there, then either the board or CPU is fried. Only way to know is to try another board/cpu. (or that jumper is still in the clear bios spot.)
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July 18, 2012 1:54:14 AM

4745454b said:
Where is the jumper on jbat1? 1-2 or 2-3?

If it turns on and just sits there, then either the board or CPU is fried. Only way to know is to try another board/cpu. (or that jumper is still in the clear bios spot.)

Jumper is on pins 1-2. I think the board is fried for the simple fact that it will not post because i was told that even if the cpu was bad that it should post. Is that right or not
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July 18, 2012 1:56:13 AM

is it possible that if the cpu is bad that it would keep it from posting?????
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July 18, 2012 2:15:53 PM

Bad CPU will stop it from posting. There is an issue somewhere. Power, board, or CPU. Pretty much in that order. Unfortunately the only real way to test is with other known good working parts. Beg, borrow, or pay someone to test.
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July 18, 2012 3:38:16 PM

4745454b said:
Bad CPU will stop it from posting. There is an issue somewhere. Power, board, or CPU. Pretty much in that order. Unfortunately the only real way to test is with other known good working parts. Beg, borrow, or pay someone to test.


Pulled psu about 4:30 am this morning because i couldn't sleep. Put in this pc and has been running every since then. Most of the the people I know are running Pentiums. I can try to get in touch with Rick, he said he had another cpu he could send me, but would hate to do that just in case the mobo is dead. Is there anyway i can check it out myself? I don't have any test equipment but i may be able to borrow at least a multimeter if i could do it with that.
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July 18, 2012 8:19:23 PM

There are usually buttons on the monitor that tell it to switch between different input methods whether VGA, DVI, HDMI, etc. If it is on the wrong one then you wouldn't get any video even though the computer was working.

I can hit a button on my monitor and it will go off and I can still just sit here and type into this reply box and when I hit it again to switch back to DVI then the video will come right back up.

However, if you had an internal speaker connected, you should still be able to hear POST beeps if it is working. If you don't have an internal speaker or it isn't working then you wouldn't hear anything, though.

I doubt the multi-meter would help much.
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July 18, 2012 8:38:42 PM

Raiddinn said:
There are usually buttons on the monitor that tell it to switch between different input methods whether VGA, DVI, HDMI, etc. If it is on the wrong one then you wouldn't get any video even though the computer was working.

I can hit a button on my monitor and it will go off and I can still just sit here and type into this reply box and when I hit it again to switch back to DVI then the video will come right back up.

However, if you had an internal speaker connected, you should still be able to hear POST beeps if it is working. If you don't have an internal speaker or it isn't working then you wouldn't hear anything, though.

I doubt the multi-meter would help much.


it is hooked up to my old composite monitor that i was used just before i got this flat screen and it was set for vga it definitely doesn't have hdmi when i unhooked itwas just set to the side. it has an internal spkr but i never heard anything
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July 19, 2012 1:34:33 PM

This will more than likely be my last submission here. Have given up. Have a person coming this weekend to pickup all pc parts, games and everything else that doesn't work on this dell. Can't expect you guys to help me when i don't have the money to help myself. it's been fun and I will miss all of you. I just can't keep getting depressed over a pc as it is affecting my health in more than one way. God Bless all of you
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July 19, 2012 1:44:46 PM

Sorry to hear it. Hope everything goes well for you otherwise.
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July 20, 2012 1:30:22 AM

Raiddinn said:
Sorry to hear it. Hope everything goes well for you otherwise.


Did you know that amd 3 cpus are backward compatible with amd2 mobo. it will only support ddr2 but not ddr3. Still getting rid of other pc parts. will have to save up the money to purchase a cpu. One question if the mobo is bad and i put in a know (new) working cpu will it short out the new cpu?? if it will then I may as well save up the money and get a new mobo that supports the INTEL I series of cpus. Are the mobo off ebay worth investing in or should i get from new egg or the dealer?
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July 23, 2012 10:00:40 PM

I can't see any good reason a motherboard should be able to kill a perfectly good processor unless there was something wrong with the voltage regulators. With no OCing it is pretty unlikely even on MSI boards.

I would probably not get a motherboard off ebay, because it might be hard to return it if they give you one that sucks or is straight up broken. At least if you get a cheap one at a store or online you should be able to take it back if it doesn't work.
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July 23, 2012 10:22:56 PM

Raiddinn said:
I can't see any good reason a motherboard should be able to kill a perfectly good processor unless there was something wrong with the voltage regulators. With no OCing it is pretty unlikely even on MSI boards.

I would probably not get a motherboard off ebay, because it might be hard to return it if they give you one that sucks or is straight up broken. At least if you get a cheap one at a store or online you should be able to take it back if it doesn't work.

Thanx but i think i am going to give up on having a better pc. I get too depressed when i can"t get one up and running. I stop eating and i don't sleep because i just keep on keeping on trying to figure out what to do to one and it is affecting my health to much. When this one goes out i probably won't even get another one. All the other pc parts are gone including 2 brand new gpu and a 80gig hdd. the only thing i have left is the msi mobo, case and psu, and the cpu. Everything and i do mean everything else is gone. as of now i only use this pc bout 1 hour a day. I don't even play games on it any more and really don't care too. All the other games i had are gone also because they ddn't work on this piece of junk. Told man that gave me the msi he could hav it back if he wanted it{ in an email} but haven't heard from him as of yet
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July 28, 2012 12:09:11 AM

Raiddinn said:
I can't see any good reason a motherboard should be able to kill a perfectly good processor unless there was something wrong with the voltage regulators. With no OCing it is pretty unlikely even on MSI boards.

I would probably not get a motherboard off ebay, because it might be hard to return it if they give you one that sucks or is straight up broken. At least if you get a cheap one at a store or online you should be able to take it back if it doesn't work.

Talk to a local computer shop and can get a Biostar mobo with a 7750BE cpu brand new for $90.00. Never heard of a biostar mobo are they any good? Now that is minus ram. It will take me bout 3 months to save up the moneyand he has agreed to put it in my case free of charge including installing the cpu fan and ram
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July 28, 2012 3:44:34 AM

Biostars are ok. Not grab but should do the job.
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July 29, 2012 5:24:01 AM

4745454b said:
Biostars are ok. Not grab but should do the job.


Got back home about an hour ago. Need some info please. Was given an acer pc today. haven't check it out was told it was loaded down with viruses. It is an ASE360-ua421m Aspire. It says on the front that it has an Amd 4200+ cpu . the drive and evry thing are in it. the drive is a sata 250 gig and this is one gig of ram. I went to the wikipedia and it says that the 4200+ is a dual core that has a clock speed of 2.2Ghz. What i am trying to find out is three thing. 1) should i just completely reformat the hard drive and reinstall op sys or should i try to run superantispyware and avg and try to get rid of the viruses. 2) on the sticker on the front of the case it says it has 1gig ddr ram. Which it does as i did pull one stcik out and it said 512Mb @ 400Mhz but. its just ddr or ddr2 (BTW is has 4 mem slot) plus one pcie and 3 pci slot. it also looks like it has four sata connections and 1 dual IDE but no FFd connection. the psu is a sun pro 300 watt. 3) Is this acer mobo better than the msi k9n6pgm. One more thing there is omly onboard graphic and i want to know what gpu will and will not work in it. PLEASE anyone who reads this Please reply asap
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July 29, 2012 6:41:15 AM

I would just format and start over. Try the card you were sent. If it fails, try the Acer's onboard.
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July 29, 2012 5:03:40 PM

4745454b said:
I would just format and start over. Try the card you were sent. If it fails, try the Acer's onboard.


Thanx. I did find out that it is ddr2 and that it will run 4gig ram. I thank you for replying so fast will let you know how it is as soon as possible :bounce: 
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August 1, 2012 12:22:11 AM

4745454b said:
I would just format and start over. Try the card you were sent. If it fails, try the Acer's onboard.


Finally got a chance to hook up Acer pc. It did not turn on. but No problem have other psus. But noticed the main connector to the mobo is a 20 pin not a 24 pin and it does have the 4 pin plug. Question all my psus have a 24 pin connector. isthat going to make a difference or mess up the mobo. Waiting to hear from you before i do anything else or i hear from Raiddin
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August 1, 2012 12:27:53 AM

Raiddinn said:
I can't see any good reason a motherboard should be able to kill a perfectly good processor unless there was something wrong with the voltage regulators. With no OCing it is pretty unlikely even on MSI boards.

I would probably not get a motherboard off ebay, because it might be hard to return it if they give you one that sucks or is straight up broken. At least if you get a cheap one at a store or online you should be able to take it back if it doesn't work.

If you don't mind and get a chance please read my last few post and replies to 4745454b and if you can help woul be in debt to you. Long story short. given acer pc with amd anthlon 4200+ cpu told ate up tiyh viruses. hooked up today no power psu in pc has a 20 pin and 4 pin connector to mobo . have othe psu but has 24 pin and 4 pin. will it work or mess up the mobo. Thanx in advance for your help. Btw the 4200+ is a dual core
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August 1, 2012 12:29:23 AM

You could put a 24 in a 20 and just leave 4 of them hanging off in space too and it would still work as long as nothing was obstructing anything.

If something was obstructing things, you could still just cut off the 4 on the end with some sort of high powered cutters that can do hard plastic and it would work fine as long as none of the cables to the 20 were messed up in the process.
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August 1, 2012 12:38:33 AM

Raiddinn said:
You could put a 24 in a 20 and just leave 4 of them hanging off in space too and it would still work as long as nothing was obstructing anything.

If something was obstructing things, you could still just cut off the 4 on the end with some sort of high powered cutters that can do hard plastic and it would work fine as long as none of the cables to the 20 were messed up in the process.

There was a whole lot of dust on the inside of the case. the connector on the mobo is a 24 pin it just has a 20 pin hooked up to it. I think someone may have changed it out at one time. So the 24 pin will work ok. going to stay right here till i hear back from you. Dust probably killed the psu
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August 1, 2012 1:43:18 AM

Raiddinn said:
You could put a 24 in a 20 and just leave 4 of them hanging off in space too and it would still work as long as nothing was obstructing anything.

If something was obstructing things, you could still just cut off the 4 on the end with some sort of high powered cutters that can do hard plastic and it would work fine as long as none of the cables to the 20 were messed up in the process.


I know that i have to be one of the biggest dummies in the world. I Googled the ase360-ua421m images and found the mobo and psu. It originally took a 24 pin with a 4 pin psu so that was the reason it wouldn't come on. When looking at the mobo image i noticed that it has 4 sata connection, 2 Ide connections, and a Fdd connection. the inside of the case has room for 4 hdds, 2 cd/dvd and a zip or floppy drive as it has a card reader installed already. Man said he didn't want the msi back so i still have it and the caseThinking about putting the acer mobo in it.. BTW the aer has a 250gig sata hdd and an IDE cd/dvd burner. looks like the big cpu fan on the msi would fit on the acer. Would it be wise to use the bigger fan or stay with the little one on the heatsink on the acer. The inside of the case the msi mobo is in has the same frame to hold everything the acer can. Thinking about putting my pata 320gig and 500gig hdds in along with the 250gig sata hdd but not sure how to hook it all up and i will also be using the sata cd/dvd burner that is all ready installed in the msi case. one IDE connector is white and the other one on the mobo is blue. Would you mind telling how to hook everything up as i have never dealt with sata devices. Just to let you know the hdd is connected to the bottom of the 4 sata connector
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August 1, 2012 3:33:39 AM

You can use a 20 pin in a 24 pin slot without the extra 4, but you risk not getting enough power to the board if you do so it isn't really recommended.

Getting 1 pin in each of the 24 slots is ideal.
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August 1, 2012 3:47:58 AM

Raiddinn said:
You can use a 20 pin in a 24 pin slot without the extra 4, but you risk not getting enough power to the board if you do so it isn't really recommended.

Getting 1 pin in each of the 24 slots is ideal.

I think the dust in that thing killed the psu. There was so much dust behind the cpu fan that the fins on it was clogged up. What about the other stuff i asked you about if you don't mind telling me.
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August 2, 2012 11:45:43 AM

Ideally you will want the main boot device to be in the lowest numbered SATA port, usually either a 0 or a 1.

After that, you would want to put a secondary boot device if any in the next lowest numbered port, so a CD drive or a second hard drive that you want to boot from.

If there is no second boot device and there is only a bunch more hard drives in there, it doesn't really matter what order you put them in.

If you don't have enough SATA ports to hold everything, you can get something like this

http://tinyurl.com/c7qw7tx

that you can plug into an expansion slot and it would hold 2 or 4 or however many other SATA devices. I am not a big fan of using this many hard drives, but if you really want to it should work.

It doesn't really matter which heat sink you use if they can both mount correctly. I would probably just stick with the one that is already on there because you know it mounts correctly.

If you try the other one and it doesn't mount right, it could cause stability problems or potentially damage hardware in the worst case.

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August 2, 2012 4:56:53 PM

Raiddinn said:
Ideally you will want the main boot device to be in the lowest numbered SATA port, usually either a 0 or a 1.

After that, you would want to put a secondary boot device if any in the next lowest numbered port, so a CD drive or a second hard drive that you want to boot from.

If there is no second boot device and there is only a bunch more hard drives in there, it doesn't really matter what order you put them in.

If you don't have enough SATA ports to hold everything, you can get something like this

http://tinyurl.com/c7qw7tx

that you can plug into an expansion slot and it would hold 2 or 4 or however many other SATA devices. I am not a big fan of using this many hard drives, but if you really want to it should work.

It doesn't really matter which heat sink you use if they can both mount correctly. I would probably just stick with the one that is already on there because you know it mounts correctly.

If you try the other one and it doesn't mount right, it could cause stability problems or potentially damage hardware in the worst case.


Thank you. BTW how is the house coming along. Reason want that many hdds is so i can keep my games on the pc instead of dvds and cds. What I thought i would do since the sata drive is all ready connected to sata 0 that i would hook up sata dvd to sata 1 and use ID1 for the other 2 hdds. Thanks also for the web link will be checking it out. Have a very good day :) 
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August 3, 2012 1:08:13 AM

I am not a big fan of copying all of one's CDs to their computer. I don't do it with music, movies, or games.

Hard drives work better the less stuff you have on them. Stuff like anti-virus and stuff gets done faster, computer boots faster, and all that stuff.

Imagine if you wanted to find a needle (a file) in a haystack. Would you want the haystack to be very large or very small?

The difference may not be huge, but its there.
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August 3, 2012 11:02:55 AM

Raiddinn said:
I am not a big fan of copying all of one's CDs to their computer. I don't do it with music, movies, or games.

Hard drives work better the less stuff you have on them. Stuff like anti-virus and stuff gets done faster, computer boots faster, and all that stuff.

Imagine if you wanted to find a needle (a file) in a haystack. Would you want the haystack to be very large or very small?

The difference may not be huge, but its there.


There would be nothing on the sata 250gig hdd but the op sys. I was going to put my games and music on the 320 and 500gig secondary drives as the sata250 is going to be my primary drive. will this slow down the actual speed of the primary drive and cause it to work harder. I guess you could say i am a lazy person because i hate to have to look through a bunch of cds or dvds to find what i want. ii have noticed in the past that when i would copy a game or music file to the hdd from a dvd or cd that i get a thumbs.db or bd attached to it and then it show that i have files that cannot be defragmented on my hdd when i defrag it even though it doesn't show up what files cannot be defrag when i view the report. i have only been messing with pcs for bout 2 years so i don't know a whole lot. Can i open and install a game directly from the cd/dvd or do i need to copy the file to the hdd before i can install it. SEE I TOLD YOU I WAS A DUMMY!!!!!
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August 3, 2012 11:55:56 AM

You have to install a game before it will run it, and that involves copying at least some of the files on the CD to a game directory for most games.

Usually the install excludes a large portion of the files to save hard drive space (one reason why you need CDs to play the game) and the game will load them from the CD when necessary. Usually those are the sorts of things that are only ever used 1 time, like cutscenes.

You don't have to copy the whole CD to the hard drive before you can install anything that I have ever heard of.

Anyway, you can do as you like with the games/music/etc, I just wanted to say that it makes your computer perform worse if you do, potentially significantly so.
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August 3, 2012 6:33:33 PM

Raiddinn said:
You have to install a game before it will run it, and that involves copying at least some of the files on the CD to a game directory for most games.

Usually the install excludes a large portion of the files to save hard drive space (one reason why you need CDs to play the game) and the game will load them from the CD when necessary. Usually those are the sorts of things that are only ever used 1 time, like cutscenes.

You don't have to copy the whole CD to the hard drive before you can install anything that I have ever heard of.

Anyway, you can do as you like with the games/music/etc, I just wanted to say that it makes your computer perform worse if you do, potentially significantly so.

I know that some game require that you copy something like a boot file to retrieve that data from the disc but, what i was talking about was game that didn't require to get data off the disc. I have and play a lot of H O G [hidden object games] most of them aren't even 700Mb long and i usually install them on the same hdd as the game itself in an install folder. They are never installed on my op sys drive. Even the folder "My Documents" is not on my primary drive. I never install any games in the game folder on the primary drive. I don't even use windows media player. I use vlc and it along with my music is also on a different hdd
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August 4, 2012 7:20:08 PM

Raiddinn said:
You have to install a game before it will run it, and that involves copying at least some of the files on the CD to a game directory for most games.

Usually the install excludes a large portion of the files to save hard drive space (one reason why you need CDs to play the game) and the game will load them from the CD when necessary. Usually those are the sorts of things that are only ever used 1 time, like cutscenes.

You don't have to copy the whole CD to the hard drive before you can install anything that I have ever heard of.

Anyway, you can do as you like with the games/music/etc, I just wanted to say that it makes your computer perform worse if you do, potentially significantly so.

Finally I think I figured out what you were talking about. What i am thinking what you were trying to tell me is that regardless if the music and games are on another hdd everything still has to run through the master hdd. now my problem. Took psu out of msi and put in acer. the one out of the acer was a 350w and the one out of the msi is a 450w if that makes a difference. It solve the problem of acer not turning on. but when turned on it has a long solid beep sound coming fom onboard speaker. I am now thing that the ram is bad in it. Has 2 x 512 ddr pc3200@ 400Mhz. I thought that since the cpu was an Athlon 4200+ dual corethat the ram would also be dual core because I just pulled the ram out and compared it to the crucial 2gig stick that i just pulled out of the msi. I guess that the old saying never assume anything is absolutely correct. Don't have any pc 3200 ram [extra]. There is 4 slots for ram on mobo.the ram was in the 2 slot closest to the cpu. can i try it in a different slot say like 3 and 4
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August 7, 2012 12:20:22 AM

There aren't any cores in a ram stick. The RAM and the processor are completely separate.

If both the board and the processor can handle ram with XXXX mhz then the computer will boot fine unless some part is flawed.

If either the processor or the board can't handle the XXXX mhz RAM, then the computer won't boot and it will give some error code.

If you tried taking out the 2x 512MBs and putting in 1x 2GB and it stopped working then it is likely that either the board or the processor can't handle whatever MHZ the 2GB stick is.

The RAM should work in whatever slots, but it may work less efficiently if it isn't in the suggested slots.
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