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February 9, 2012 3:35:09 PM

the current build i have will run me about 900, and i still need to get a monitor, my total budget for this is $1,000 after rebates with tax, and this leaves me no room for a decent monitor (expecting to pay 150 for nice 21-24in)

Looking for your guys opinion on where i can cut costs, it is primarily a gaming machine, i want to be able to run whatever i need on high-max settings on games like Diablo3 (if it ever comes out), SC2, BF3, TF2

I intend to overclock this machine in the near future and purchase date is within a few days, 1 week max

So everything i have listed here is after rebates and before taxes and shipping
mobo, CPU, and case at a minimum will be bought from Microcenter.com, with their 50 off a mobo promo


CPU (179.99) - i5 2500k Sandy Bridge
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

MOBO (150.00 - 50.00 = 100.00) - P67 Extreme4 Gen3 LGA1155
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

RAM (47.00) - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS (80.00) - Windows 7
http://www.trustprice.com/669867/microsoft-microsoft-wi...

SSD (90.00) - OCZ Vertex 3 60gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD (90.00) - Western Digital Blue 500gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Card (210.00) - Gigabyte GeForge GTX 560 ti (Firmi) 1gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case (45.00) - Haf 912
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

PSU (60.00) - Antec NEO ECO 520w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor (150.00 budget) - None atm, any suggestions?

so here it is, anywhere you see that i can cut costs again without sacrificing a whole lot of performance?

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a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 3:55:37 PM

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MOBO (150.00 - 50.00 = 100.00) - P67 Extreme4 Gen3 LGA1155
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0373371


Get this as your board instead - you'll save $30: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Quote:

SSD (90.00) - OCZ Vertex 3 60gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227737


Drop this entirely for now - for one OCZ isn't the most reliable vendor out there, and two - you can always add one later on as an upgrade. Use the Caviar Blue as your primary for now. I don't generally recommend SSDs on low-budget builds as they eat a lot of initial cost for your system.

Quote:

Graphics Card (210.00) - Gigabyte GeForge GTX 560 ti (Firmi) 1gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 51i89zglye


This is an excellent choice but if you wanted to save some money here you could drop this to a 6870 and you'll save about $60: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With those choices you'll save about $175 total off the cost without sacrificing a lot (if any) performance. You might want to think about getting a better PSU though - maybe the Seasonic MII or the Corsair CX600.
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February 9, 2012 4:06:42 PM

Your 8gb RAM is going to not be fully utilized as the OS you chose is only the 32 bit version. To fully utilize all 8 GB, you need the 64 bit.

@ g-unit1111 The OP is buying the board at microcenter because they are offering 50-60 off selected p67 or z68 mobo's with purchase of any "K" series processor.

I agree with dropping the SSD and upping the PSU.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:07:24 PM

Removing the SSD and dropping the GPU are pretty much your only options. They are easy to replace however so adding them later shouldn't be an issue.

PSU should be fine, not sure about the OS however.

Edit: Stay away from that thermaltake PSU. Garbage.
February 9, 2012 4:07:43 PM

Yeah as far as the mobo i had taken a look at that one a few times and i see it is a good mobo, but the mobo i have will be 100 but the downside is no pci e 2.1 but i see this other one that will cut another 50 off

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

it seems like it has everything i need but the pci e 2.1, let me know what you think about that, but if i were to go witha raedon card i would deffinitly go for the mobo you linked.

the SSD im still deciding on, id like to have one for boot, but with it going up from 75-90 since the last time i checked it i might take your advice and drop it off my initial build, and at a later date just throw one on and transfer over my OS.

and for the video card what exactly is the difference between Gefore GTX560 and Raedon cards, im not sure of the difference between the two brands and they both kinda have dramatically different statistics.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:11:27 PM

The 6870 is similar to the non TI GTX560. If you'd feel better getting that then do so. For me they are close enough in performance that I'd just get the cheaper of the two.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:13:23 PM

Buy that 560Ti is a good video card.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:17:45 PM

4745454b said:
Removing the SSD and dropping the GPU are pretty much your only options. They are easy to replace however so adding them later shouldn't be an issue.

PSU should be fine, not sure about the OS however.

Edit: Stay away from that thermaltake PSU. Garbage.


Yeah I agree about the Thermaltake PSU - there's way better choices for the money.

Quote:

@ g-unit1111 The OP is buying the board at microcenter because they are offering 50-60 off selected p67 or z68 mobo's with purchase of any "K" series processor.


Oh I didn't catch that.

Quote:
Yeah as far as the mobo i had taken a look at that one a few times and i see it is a good mobo, but the mobo i have will be 100 but the downside is no pci e 2.1 but i see this other one that will cut another 50 off

http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0371775


I'd say stick with the Asrock board - you don't want to trade features to save a few bucks, especially if you plan on a GPU upgrade in a year or two.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:21:04 PM

Concur on dropping the SSD for initial build and with going with a M4 or Samsung 830 later. The SSD will ONLY improve Boot time and program load time - WILL NOT improv FPS in games, watching a DVD, or surfing the web or download/reading email. Also on the 6870 GPU

On MB/Case. Just a note which you may regreat later.
The case does not have front panel USB3. Your MB does have support (a 20 Pin header on MB, The MB that g-unit1111 suggested does NOT have the 20 pin header for case mounted usb3 also one of the USBIII ports is a shared esata port, But esata may not be important to you today or tommarrow. USB 3 may not be important today, but may be 6 months, a year from now, and if so money spent today is wasted on tomarrows upgrade.

February 9, 2012 4:21:23 PM

Its hard to suggest a monitor with no more information given to us, but here we go! Mostly im curious as to what size monitor your looking for. Honestly I feel a 24 or above is pushing it alittle to far, as you almost have to move your head to look at it all.

This HP S2031 20-Inch Diagonal LCD Monitor, should be a great choice.

I bought the monitor for Christmas. The set up was very easy. It's a very sleek widescreen monitor. The color on it is bright and crisp. We have really enjoyed the sharp resolution of the screen when streaming movies or playing games. The screen doesn't have speakers, for us that's not an issue since we have a nice set that compliments the screen.
I would purchace this screen again. Great price and great quality.

http://www.amazon.com/HP-S2031-20-Inch-Diagonal-Monitor/dp/B003FMUL7M/
February 9, 2012 4:22:24 PM

I bought my 2500k and board from microcenter as well. I am using this board:

Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3

I have my 2500k rock solid at 4.1ghz on a 212 EVO with literally one adjustment in the bios. I didnt want to push it too nuts, so I settled for 4.1 as a good starting point.

The Gigabyte board ends up being the same price as the ASRock p67 board after the combo discount.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:27:38 PM

lldsgt said:
what do you guys think about this video card? evga Gefore gtx560 superclocked
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and as for the SSD its dropped and the OS is fixed,

I believe im gonna go with the mobo http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
it has everything i nee right now and itll only run me $50


I will definitely second that choice of video card. The motherboard you linked to is pretty decent, it should work fine for now.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:31:38 PM

On p8Z68 :
Looking at specs on Newegg. (a) the 2 pci-e 16 slots are X16, X4, not the prefered X8,X8 - In case you deside to SLI/Xfire two GPUs a year or two from now.

Does not have the internal 20 pin USB 3 header on MB.

February 9, 2012 4:39:55 PM

so witha x16 and a x4 i would be able to xfire?
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 4:44:10 PM

Read: http://www.overclock.net/t/967533/crossfire-x16-x4-vs-x...
Check out conclusions X16, X4 will work for Xfire, BUT X8, X8 is RECOMMENDED
Moved:
Although you are buying from ucenter, feel free to double check specs on New egg. To advantages - better feel for what "users" are saing and Specs are more detailed - uCenter leaves out some important discreptions. Also you can get a better comparision'IE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
February 9, 2012 4:56:33 PM

So as of now my build is as follows

CPU (179.99) - i5 2500k Sandy Bridge
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0354589

MOBO (150.00 - 50.00 = 100.00) - ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3 LGA1155
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

RAM (47.00) - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231428

OS (100.00) - Windows 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD (90.00) - Western Digital Blue 500gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136769

Graphics Card (190.00) - EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1463-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case (45.00) - Haf 912
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0343331

PSU (60.00) - Antec NEO ECO 520w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] z4otuof7vt

Total: 765.00 (cut down quite a bit, mainly from the dropped SSD)

Thanks for that article on the xfire RetiredChief, and the mobo i have is compatable for 16x or dual 8x so i should be fine for if i wanna add another card in a year or 2

520w PSU should suffice for the GPU i have at the moment right?
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 5:07:14 PM

MB - Works for me (I have the asrock extreme 4 (just not the generation 3 ver and happy with it.
PSU - Yes 520 Watts is fine. My I5-2500k w/6870 GPU only draws $350 Watts under Heavy load (ie run firmark)
Ram - Love my ripjaws, have 16 gigs in I5-2500 and 8 gigs in the I5-750.

Added - What I was going to say:
The English had a saying "penny wise, pound foolish"
I'm playing more of a devils advacate.
You do not want to spend $150 on say a MB and findout in a Years times - OPPS and then ether live with the OPPS, or fork out another 150 to cover the OPPS.
IE the USB3 I've pointed out - no problem until you findout just how slow that "added" usb 3 external HDD is a year from now, or how much faster a USB3 thumbdrive is on USB 3 compared to on USB2.
If MB does not have the provision, you are stuck with just the 2 in the back. The case you selected is no problem as that is only a $15 (approx) cost to fix (ie a panel that goes into the front of case and connects to the 20 pin header on the MB, providing ofcoarse the MB has it.
The English had a saying "penny wise, pound foolish"
February 9, 2012 5:22:32 PM

RetiredChief said:
MB - Works for me (I have the asrock extreme 4 (just not the generation 3 ver and happy with it.
PSU - Yes 520 Watts is fine. My I5-2500k w/6870 GPU only draws $350 Watts under Heavy load (ie run firmark)
Ram - Love my ripjaws, have 16 gigs in I5-2500 and 8 gigs in the I5-750.

Added - What I was going to say:
The English had a saying "penny wise, pound foolish"
I'm playing more of a devils advacate.
You do not want to spend $150 on say a MB and findout in a Years times - OPPS and then ether live with the OPPS, or fork out another 150 to cover the OPPS.
IE the USB3 I've pointed out - no problem until you findout just how slow that "added" usb 3 external HDD is a year from now, or how much faster a USB3 thumbdrive is on USB 3 compared to on USB2.
If MB does not have the provision, you are stuck with just the 2 in the back. The case you selected is no problem as that is only a $15 (approx) cost to fix (ie a panel that goes into the front of case and connects to the 20 pin header on the MB, providing ofcoarse the MB has it.
The English had a saying "penny wise, pound foolish"



i hear what you are saying with the usb3.0, but for me its not really that much of an issue so im fine with how that is on the MB and what is OPPS?
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 5:26:59 PM

I quess you have not watched the Movie - Independence Day (LOL)
Forget the actors names, but the "Pilot" puts the alien spaceship in reverse instead of forward and says OPPS.
OPPS = I goofed, or screwed up
February 9, 2012 5:36:09 PM

RetiredChief said:
I quess you have not watched the Movie - Independence Day (LOL)
Forget the actors names, but the "Pilot" puts the alien spaceship in reverse instead of forward and says OPPS.
OPPS = I goofed, or screwed up


Most people spell that "OOPS"

BTW, I have had a Thermaltake PSU in an old system that ran (and is still running at my parent's house) for the past 5 years without any problems. I don't get all the hate for Thermaltake on these boards. I understand the purpose of a good PSU, but have yet to see any hard evidence for chosing an Antec over Thermaltake.
February 9, 2012 5:41:41 PM

lldsgt said:
Thank you Eejdoowad, and also any suggestions on a CPU fan? i do plan on overclocking this in the future, the one i have picked out atm is the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10...


Go for the Hyper 212 EVO. The price difference isn't much, and the heat transfer pipes make better contact with the CPU for better heat distribution.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 6:05:06 PM

OOPs (blew that)- stand corrected.

Good thing they do not pay me for spelling, I'd be in the Hole.
February 9, 2012 6:06:52 PM

nebelwerfer41 said:
Go for the Hyper 212 EVO. The price difference isn't much, and the heat transfer pipes make better contact with the CPU for better heat distribution.



yeah ive seen a bit of reviews that say on the + the heat transfer pipes dont make good contact and to just upgrade to the Evo, so thats what im gonna do ($35.00)
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 6:10:13 PM

I'm playing BF3 on a 2gig 6950 flawlessly maxed out. A 1gig card won't do it.

Get a 64bit OEM opsys

Get a z68 mobo not a 67.
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 6:20:39 PM

Good catch Swifty
Didn't look at his choice on Ver. Yes 64 bit otherwise will be limited to only 4 Gigs of ram (about 3.2 gigs usable).
also
On MB, agree recommend the Z68 over the P67. Missread as I thought he had settled on the Z series.
Advantages.
(1) biggest - On first build, do not have to use the GPU so if a problem then GPU is NOT the problem that has to be ruled out. If a problem with GPU downstream can always use the IGP will getting a replacement or waiting on that RMA.
2) SRT, But not a lover of that feature
3) quick sync and improved video editing performance.
February 9, 2012 6:23:07 PM

swifty_morgan said:
I'm playing BF3 on a 2gig 6950 flawlessly maxed out. A 1gig card won't do it.

Get a 64bit OEM opsys

Get a z68 mobo not a 67.


so idealy a Z68 would be better then, heres the same one i have but a Z68 chipset
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
a b C Monitor
February 9, 2012 6:32:07 PM

When I said that's what I have, I was refering to the Z68
February 9, 2012 6:53:21 PM

CPU (179.99) - i5 2500k Sandy Bridge
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

CPU Cooler (35.00+4.00) - Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO (150.00 - 50.00 = 100.00) - ASRock z68 Extreme4 Gen3 LGA1155
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

RAM (47.00) - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS (90.00) - Windows 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD (90.00+7.00) - Western Digital Blue 500gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Card (190.00) - EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1463-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case (45.00) - Haf 912
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

PSU (60.00 + 3.00) - Antec NEO ECO 520w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total : $837.00 + $14.00Shipping + Tax

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