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560 Ti or 570 for BF3 Ultra Settings

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December 11, 2011 9:50:34 PM

Hey Guys,

Iv been mulling over this all weekend and cant come to a decision.
My current PC spec is

4 gig DDR 2 800 MHZ
q6600 Qaud Core 2.4 Ghz STOCK
GeForce 8800 GTS

I understand that my only down fall for playing BF3 is my GPU. I am looking to update this, i want to play battlefield maxed on on ultra settings.
My PC monitor is 22" 1680x1050 which i assume the 560Ti would run, but i wanna HDMI it upto my 40" sony TV, which i assume would be Full HD @ 1920 x 1080.

Iv been looking at the ASUS GTX 570 for £255 (id then have to buy game full price, so looking at £285 or so)

or

Gigabite 560 ti OC WITH FREE battlefield (downloadable) £195,

thanks
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 11, 2011 9:56:28 PM

Well neither will let you play on max settings.The GTX570 will get you closer to that goal but you still will be far from it.You need at least a SLI setup.I'd suggest going with a GTX560ti since you will need a SLI setup anyway the GTX560ti SLI will be enough to max it out.The only problem is that your CPU will bottleneck a GTX560ti SLI.
December 11, 2011 10:00:22 PM

SLI for me isnt even in the picture so im not worried to much about that. But iv read reveiwsa and even seen on youtube people maxing out BF3 on a single GTX 570?
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December 11, 2011 10:24:44 PM

hey, I'd consider something like an570 for a single gpu solution, however your going to need to overclock your CPU or get a better one. At 2.4gh the 570 will be bottleneck most likely
December 11, 2011 10:43:11 PM

is the GTX 570 worth paying £100 more? (considering i get BF3 free for £195) is the performance that great a difference?
a c 253 U Graphics card
December 11, 2011 11:01:06 PM

You always here about people wanting to play a game at maxed out , ultra settings and in reality the difference between high and ultra is not that noticeable. The goal should be to be able to play a game and have good looking graphics with no choppyness and smooth gameplay at a reasonable resolution. Playing the game at Ultra is mainly just for bragging rights anyway since you cannot notice the difference between 65fps and 165fps. Anything over 60 fps is just a number.
I do think that you will be happy with the performance of a single GTX 570 at whatever settings will play the game at a smooth frame rate.
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 11, 2011 11:14:23 PM

Well right now I have a 6870 and I can play BF 3 on high settings with minimal AA and AF and maintain a 50fps average.I'm sure with a GTX560ti you should be able to maintain 60fps.
December 11, 2011 11:36:24 PM

im just trying to weigh up justying the extra ££££££ for extra FPS, it seems that the GTX 570 is around 10 FPS better while 33% more £££££, i cant see any justification. Although i am only buying this card for BF3 and those extra 10 FPS could be noticable in gun battles when it dipps to 20 - 30 or 30 - 40 FPS?
a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 12:55:39 AM

I had my Q6600 at 3.24 for close to 3 years - no issues. Get a cooler & OC that puppy.
-Bruce
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 1:24:17 AM

With the GTX560ti you can easily obtain 10fps or more by O.C.ing.Those cards are really good Overclockers.

Save the extra money and put it towards a new Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge build.Go with the GTX560ti.
December 12, 2011 1:39:24 AM

thanks for your time guys, im currently sat here at 3.30am (UK) still thinking about this. 560 ti + BF 3 for £195 or 570 - BF3 £255, just trying to whey up the £100 difference and i cant come to a conclusion! lol, i seen to be thinkin with the 570 im paying more just because its a newer higher and card... and the 560 ti should be the value buy, but then again why spend £195 if im not going to be gettin what i expect.

Never realy OC'd anything, bit sceared of frying my gear. Does the 570 OC as well as the 560 Ti?
a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 1:39:40 AM

With a strong processor the 560ti can handle max settings minus 4xmsaa with about 40+ fps at 1920x1080. I know this because i have that setup. I actually have 2 but during early drivers and such i ran one card for BF3.

i7 930 @4.011ghz 560ti Hawk edition

That being said, the 570 will handle it smoother mainly due to the additional vram. However i'd recommend the 560ti 2gb version. BF3 noms an vram like it's been fasting for weeks. Even Dice said Ultra textures were designed with 1.5gb vram in mind.

BUT if your on a budget the 560ti 1gb version, i recommend the hawk edition, can handle it very well. hawk edition has a very strong cooler, and comes with a solid oc out of the box.
December 12, 2011 1:45:13 AM

lucuis said:
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BUT if your on a budget the 560ti 1gb version, i recommend the hawk edition, can handle it very well. hawk edition has a very strong cooler, and comes with a solid oc out of the box.



the HAWK is £200 from what iv seen without battlefield 3, id probably rather just pay £55 more for a 570. Unless the HAWK is ridiculously fast for its price of course

Also by buying and overclocked / superclocked product.... are you not just paying for that service, eg £30 - £40 on top of the price, instead of learning to do it yourself, or is it a more reliable overclock?
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 3:06:07 AM

Like I said before you can O.C. the GTX560ti to meet the performance of a GTX570 at stock speeds.That saves you a lot of money.Just learn someday.The HAWK is a very good card but it also costs a lot more in your area.Don't go for it if your not planning to learn how to O.C. It does have a nice factory O.C. but to not O.C. it more is just a waste.
a c 253 U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 3:24:49 AM

If the choice is resting on a free game then what happens when you are done with the game and the question you should be asking is how long are you going to be playing that particular game. If you buy the 570 then you will be using it for all the games that you will be playing , same goes for the 560Ti. So the real choice should be between the two video cards as to which one do you want. For me I will always go with the better card since I don't want something the is just good enough or can get by with it.
December 12, 2011 3:58:11 AM

thank you for your imput guys, i have decided to the with the MSI GTX 570 FROZR O/C for £270 (just £15 more than the ASUS GTX 570, and just decided to buy BF3. I figured if im gonna spend £200 on playing BF, Id be stupid not the pay the extra £££ and get the full experience.... will the FROZR be further overclockable (for when i learn)?
a c 291 U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 4:14:35 AM

I'd go for 560 Ti. Personally I own it atm, it was really easy to overclock it to 950 MHz (822 MHz stock) , and I can play BF 3 on ultra without AA.
December 12, 2011 4:22:20 AM

iv purchased it now, but i was turn between value and performance, its took me all night (6.20am now) but decided to go with the best incase i wanna hook it upto my HD TV 40", and i am assuming itll play it maxed out.... or atleast i hope for what iv paid
a c 291 U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 4:32:47 AM

It should, especially if you OC it.
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 5:31:10 AM

Twin Frozr in any card is a good cooler.I'm sure you will be pleased.
December 12, 2011 6:48:44 AM

I'm playing it with O/C 570 with ultra except no deferred AA at 50..60fps. I also turned off the motion blur for crisper picture.
a c 253 U Graphics card
December 12, 2011 2:34:44 PM

ph0en1x26 said:
iv purchased it now, but i was turn between value and performance, its took me all night (6.20am now) but decided to go with the best incase i wanna hook it upto my HD TV 40", and i am assuming itll play it maxed out.... or atleast i hope for what iv paid



If you download MSI's afterburner (if it doesn't come with the card you bought) you will be able to overclock the card without any problems , it is one of the better overclocking software.
December 20, 2011 2:18:50 PM

To update you guys, i ended up canceling the GTX 570 frozr and getting the gigabyte 560 ti OC, which was £100 less. which is now installed,

i can confirm that i am currently running the game on HIGH settings @ 1920 x 1080 which is smooth online, but do get occasional lag, this could be due to server isues as my FPS is 30 - 40 at the time which doesnt indicate video lag, the PU can play ULTRA but will lag in battles. i assume youd need a 580 GTX to max this game.
a c 291 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 3:26:08 PM

Hey! I own Gigabyte 560 Ti as well. Try overclocking it with MSI afterburner. I got mine to 950 MHz.

Anyway, it should work with all settings on ultra just no AA at all. Try that.

(don't just auto set it to ultra).
December 20, 2011 5:17:57 PM

im gonna OC it with after burner in a min. what shadrer did you get upto? or did you just change the core?
a c 291 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 5:25:35 PM

I just changed the core to 950 MHz and the shader adjusts automatically. Got it stable at 1.075V, though it wasn't stable at 1.062V. Temps go up to 80C on FurMark, but never above 65 while gaming.
December 20, 2011 5:30:35 PM

doesnt look like i can alter the voltage on the MSI Afterburner. What % you got your Fan speed at?
a c 291 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 7:08:23 PM

I got it on Auto. You can change voltage by enabling that option in settings first.
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 7:18:06 PM

Yah it's definitly due to server lag.Their's way to many people on the servers with bad pings.

You should be able to adjust the voltage after you enable it.But sometimes it doesn't work for some cards even after because they have had their BIOS locked.
December 20, 2011 8:34:28 PM

just an update on my OC so far. Currently at 970 Mhz Core speeds, iv set the fan to 100%, I am benching usuing Kombuster and 3DMark11, Not seen any artifacts yet. maximum temp has been 69c on Kombuster and 64c on 3D Mark. No Voltage changes, my voltage is v1.062 or somethin according to Kombuster
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 8:42:13 PM

970mhz is a really decent O.C. with no voltage.I bet you could hit 1ghz with just a minor voltage tweak.I would also suggest O.C.ing your CPU.Having it at 2.6ghz is really going to hold the GTX560ti back in games with that O.C.

When your in BF3 type this into the console...render.fpsoverlayvisible 1

That will display your render rates for the CPU and GPU.Post back which has a higher average.That will tell us if their is a bottleneck or not.
December 20, 2011 8:44:30 PM

i just put it upto 984 and got an error message on kombuster. so back it to 974, i guess im nearing the maximum, temp is no issue as doesnt get over 69.. so i guess i can reduce the fan speed, what % would you recomend?

974 just crashed aswell.... running it at 970 again, that was ok before, lets see if 970 is my limit, its looking like it
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 8:49:05 PM

Then it looks like you've reached the max that voltage can sustain.I always have my fan speed 10% below the current temp.For example if my temp is 70c my fan speed is 60%.Their's a fan graph you can customize for this.

Reread my earlier post.Try that BF3 thing.
December 20, 2011 9:00:38 PM

Just read back, Ultra settings without AA + AF, im guessing with this OC now i should be sweet.

174 crashed, then 170 crashed (170 run fine before) so thought id reboot my and get all the memory cleaned/cleared etc. Iv put it down to 165, i assume this should be my stable OC im guessing, how l long would i have to leave kombuster on for to know if its stable... 2 hours?
a c 228 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 9:31:27 PM

My son's playing w/ Twin 560 Ti's .... they score 862 fps in Guru3D's Game test suite....the 570 scores just 11 fps higher for $125 extra. Twin factory OC'd 560's - $430 (862 fps)..... single 570 is $340 (524 fps)

I use Afterburner Beta 9 from Guru3D
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=2816

Highest I ever seen is 1070
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1201&page=17

I typically don't push them for permanent settings.... go to 1025 when in single card config, 980ish if in SLI. All are tested w/ OCCT GPU test for stability.
December 20, 2011 10:18:21 PM

ok guys, heres an update, 960mhz wasnt stable, so i just decided to put is to 950mhz which i thought would be ok, just fired up Battlefield 3 and was playing abit and the game crash, this has never happened since iv got it, so i assume its the OC. Just downed core to 945Mhz, lets se how we go

Also guys, i have only done the CORE at the minute and have not started on the Memory clock yet as i want to find my stable core first via playing battlefield etc... will this cause any instability as iv uped one without the other?

thanks for all your input guys, much appreciated, i assume to get 570 performance id have to up the V
a c 88 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 10:21:26 PM

Keep playing with the overclock and use BF3 to test it each time till you get it to run crash free. Kombuster may not show errors or crash but games like BF3 will prove if your overclock is stable :) 
December 20, 2011 10:44:55 PM

yup thats right monster, just crashed again at 945mhz, so down to 940mhz i go.... looks like bf3 is testin my gpu better than the benchmarks as u said lol
a c 88 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 10:49:35 PM

BF3 will punish any system or overclock.LOL
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 11:02:41 PM

I wouldn't use BF3 to test your O.C.It's still a little glitchy and I crash from time to time.Try using a different game.
December 20, 2011 11:06:54 PM

i have to use BF3, thats all i brought the card for, if that doesnt work no point, anyway, it just crashed again, the screen just goes white then a direct x 11 error comes up. down to 935mhz i go, looked so promising when i got upto 970mhz with what i thought wasnt a glitch!

for the recored my gigabyte 560ti was already OC'd to 900mhz... somethimes is it harder to OC a factory OC'd card?
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 21, 2011 12:20:52 AM

Usually if the GPU crashes Windows will come back with a "display driver has stopped working" error message.
December 21, 2011 12:39:02 AM

purple stank said:
Usually if the GPU crashes Windows will come back with a "display driver has stopped working" error message.


yeah got direct x message then a pop up from the task bar saying video card is working again (along those lines, which means it stopped in the first place) just been playin for awhile @935mhz and didnt crash, so that could be my stableness for BF3
a c 214 U Graphics card
December 21, 2011 1:15:42 AM

Not bad though.100mhz O.C on core is really good.
a c 253 U Graphics card
December 21, 2011 1:26:53 AM

Have you made any voltage changes with this overclock , the good thing about Afterbutner is that you can adjust the voltage so that when you crash at a core setting you can add a small amount of voltage to stablize.
December 21, 2011 2:02:21 AM

inzone said:
Have you made any voltage changes with this overclock , the good thing about Afterbutner is that you can adjust the voltage so that when you crash at a core setting you can add a small amount of voltage to stablize.


no voltage increase no, just got same white screen again after bout and hour of play @ 935mhz, gonna do some research and see if BF£ has a DX11 glitch and if anybody else is having this, if not it the OC i guess
a c 88 U Graphics card
December 21, 2011 2:04:16 AM

In the settings for Afterburner you can unlock the voltage slider in there if its greyed out/disabled, a voltage tweak may help to stabilise that overclock.
December 21, 2011 2:14:40 AM

monsta said:
In the settings for Afterburner you can unlock the voltage slider in there if its greyed out/disabled, a voltage tweak may help to stabilise that overclock.


im knew to OCing, apparently its the voltage which can fry your card?
a c 291 U Graphics card
December 21, 2011 2:31:33 AM

Yes, if you set too high. That's why your monitor your card. As I said, I had to up the voltage to 1.075V before I could get it stable at 950 MHz!
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