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NEED HELP FINDING OUT WHY MY PC WONT RUN HIGH END GAMES!!

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May 27, 2012 4:45:35 AM

:fou:  OKAY! I recently bought a pc that was said to be a pretty high end PC but for some reason I can't play any high end games such as GTA 4, The Witcher 2, and Battlefield 3.

Here are the specs:
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (build 7601), 64-bit

CPU
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+


Video Card
AMD Radeon HD 6670
I even looked at videos where people were using this card and playing games like Battlefield 3 On ULTRA, ULTRAA :fou: , PLUS this was an upgrade from the original chipset which SUCKED. I looked at Toms Hardware reviews on this card and it was said to be amazing. BOY WAS THAT A LIE!! -.-


Sound Card
AMD High Definition Audio Device


Can someone please point out what is wrong with my PC and why I can't play high end games ON HIGH TO ULTRA, or even at all. And if you find whats wrong can you recommend some replacements (preferably not to high priced). This really angered me and I desperately want to play some decent games. I can't even move in GTA 4 the frame rate is so terrible and the game is on f'ing low! Like wtf! But seriously all help would be much obliged. :fou: 
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May 27, 2012 4:53:27 AM

Your CPU is the bottle neck. It's nowhere near high end, and it'll never be able to run BF3, GTA4 and Witcher 2 very well. The GPU isn't great either, but paired with a better CPU, it would do OK (just not Ultra at 1080p or anything. My system won't even do that (GPU limited, even with a OC'd GTX 560)).
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May 27, 2012 4:54:12 AM

Your processor is roughly 7 years old. This is why you can't use your graphics card to it's full potential because it is bottlenecking it.
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May 27, 2012 5:09:55 AM

It also depends on the resolution you play with. A Radeon HD 6670 isn't recommended for 1920x1200 / 1080 resolution if you are looking to max everything out. It should generally be able to handle 1280x1024 or 1440x900 for high / ultra graphics quality, but you will also need a powerful CPU to push high frame rates.

See following review for HD 6670 benchmarks. Note that the test rig uses a Core i7-920 clocked at 3.8GHz. That is generally around 70% more powerful than the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ in terms of pure processing power.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_6670/6...
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May 27, 2012 5:13:53 AM

Like everyone else said so far your CPU isn't going to be able to play these newer games on ultra settings with high resolutions. At the very least you need to get a new CPU and I would upgrade the video card too.
May 27, 2012 8:23:45 AM

no wonder it was doing so bad, does anyone have any suggestions for a better processor. I've heard good of the AMD athlon II x2 250. If I got this would I be able to play those games at at least HIGH settings? And if you have any better options for processors in a similar price category feel free to express your opinions. I think my GPU isn't that bad when paired with a good processor. With 4gb ram along with it.
May 27, 2012 8:31:29 AM

Also I don't know why but I was able to play crysis 2 at reasonably nice quality with minimal lag. Buts that's like the only exception to my dilemma
May 27, 2012 8:40:21 AM

denverb195 said:
no wonder it was doing so bad, does anyone have any suggestions for a better processor. I've heard good of the AMD athlon II x2 250. If I got this would I be able to play those games at at least HIGH settings? And if you have any better options for processors in a similar price category feel free to express your opinions. I think my GPU isn't that bad when paired with a good processor. With 4gb ram along with it.


What's your budget?
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May 27, 2012 9:01:53 AM

denverb195 said:
Also I don't know why but I was able to play crysis 2 at reasonably nice quality with minimal lag. Buts that's like the only exception to my dilemma


Crysis 2 has pretty low system requirements because it was designed to run on game consoles; it was released as a DX9 game. It's system requirements is lower than the original Crysis. However installing the DX11 patch and the high resolution texture pack would require much higher system specs to play the game with decent performance.
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May 27, 2012 9:24:24 AM

Its a low end GPU. With a really old CPU and you are confused as to why your games play terribly? If that GPU maxxed BF3 out it musta been at 800x600 resolution.
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May 27, 2012 10:50:08 AM

What is your motherboard? AM2 socket boards will only accept a couple AM2+ Phenom IIs if any. if its AM2+ you're better off. really, if whoever you bought it from said it was highend and could play those games I'd throw a fit and get your money back LOL.

It was a great CPU when it came out... but I have a.higher version running a router, even the one running my parents XP box is at least a x2 5400
May 27, 2012 5:49:13 PM

WatchOut said:
What's your budget?


Something similarly priced as the AMD athlon II x2 250, maybe a little more but not to much more
May 27, 2012 5:50:47 PM

vrumor said:
Its a low end GPU. With a really old CPU and you are confused as to why your games play terribly? If that GPU maxxed BF3 out it musta been at 800x600 resolution.


There are several videos where people are playing high end games using the amd radeon 6670 and with reasonably high fps. The resolution isn't to low either. Just youtube a couple of videos and you'll see what I mean. It really isn't that bad, I just need a good processor
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May 27, 2012 5:51:52 PM

denverb195 said:
There are several videos where people are playing high end games using the amd radeon 6670 and with reasonably high fps. The resolution isn't to low either. Just youtube a couple of videos and you'll see what I mean. It really isn't that bad, I just need a good processor

They get better framerates than you because of their processor and resolutions.
May 27, 2012 6:21:49 PM

amuffin said:
They get better framerates than you because of their processor and resolutions.


That's what I just said :heink:  , what I want is suggestions on what to purchase
May 27, 2012 6:21:54 PM

Double post on accident
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May 27, 2012 6:55:00 PM

How about you post your motherboard specs and we can go from there? A $$ figure would also be nice.
May 27, 2012 7:21:36 PM

I don't know how to find out my motherboard specifications
May 27, 2012 7:50:01 PM

Old, cheap gear, does not make a high-end rig. Get out of fantasy land, the 6670 can hardly play Angry Birds, on "Ultra".
May 27, 2012 9:39:50 PM

denverb195 said:
I don't know how to find out my motherboard specifications

go to RUN and type in dxdiag. after pop up it should give you some specs of your computer including your motherboard model.

and come on poeple not everyone knows about what cpu and gpu are best and how they perform. give this guy a break.

I recommend getting new motherboard, a phenom II x2 (x4 if you can afford it) 4GB DDR3 RAM and you can sell your GPU and pay a little more getting a 6770 or something similar. that would not be high end but will 100% play all games at reasonable quality.
BTW can you please tell us your screen resolution and screen size???
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May 27, 2012 9:58:01 PM

ANY x2 processor won't be able to play battlefield 3 when you go online.

The problem with the athon x2 3800+ is its either a 939 socket or an AM2.

If its the 939, there isn't really an option for upgrading, you will need a new motherboard also. If its an AM2, you could find a phenom X4 9xxx. Phenom II most likely won't work because most motherboard makers didn't update the bios, there were a few that did.

was this an hp or other name brand?
May 28, 2012 12:03:08 AM

FinneousPJ said:
How about you post your motherboard specs and we can go from there? A $$ figure would also be nice.


My motherboard is MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD MS-7125 (Socket 939)
May 28, 2012 12:16:37 AM

I would find the person that sold you that POS and beat them with a shovel.. JK.

You need a whole new CPU and Motherboard. what you have is only suited for like facebook games and web sites.
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May 28, 2012 12:22:19 AM

How much did you pay for this "high end" (sarcasm, obviously, lol) system?
May 28, 2012 12:31:46 AM

You should buy this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Intel Pentium G630 Sandy Bridge 2.7GHz LGA 1155 $74.99

And:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 $59.99

That is a Budget CPU/Motherboard combo that will let you play most newer games on medium settings with your 6670 GPU. And it should fit your case since its a Micro ATX board. (total $140)

Also its socket 1155 so if later down the line you want a quad core i5 or i7 you can upgrade.

Hope that helps.

Edit here is what Toms says about that CPU

Quote:


Pentium G630
Codename: Sandy Bridge
Process: 32 nm
CPU Cores/Threads: 2
Clock Speed: 2.7 GHz
Socket: LGA 1155
L2 Cache: 2 x 256 KB
L3 Cache: 3 MB
Thermal Envelope: 65 W

It turns out that the budget-oriented Sandy Bridge-based Pentium family performs very well in games. Specifically, Intel's $75 Pentium G630 beat the FX-4100, -6100, and -8120 in our recent sub-$200 CPU gaming comparison. In fact, it finished right on par with the Phenom II X4 955.

As a result, Intel displaces AMD at the bottom rung of our recommendation list yet again this month. That's something we haven't seen for a very long while. There's not much else to add, except that if you consider the Phenom II to be a capable gaming CPU, Intel's Pentium G630 is just as viable.
May 28, 2012 12:36:20 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
It's 939, so you're screwed really.

Never mind, if you read my original reply. I found the info. http://www.msi.com/product/mb/K8N-Neo4-F--PCB-1-0-.html...

No CPU on that list will help you much, unfortunately.


So I can't get a new processor? I have to get a new motherboard AND a new processor? -_-
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May 28, 2012 12:38:35 AM

denverb195 said:
So I can't get a new processor? I have to get a new motherboard AND a new processor? -_-


You can get a new CPU, but it's not worth it (VERY minimal performance increase). A total system overhaul is what's needed, unfortunately.
May 28, 2012 12:40:43 AM

denverb195 said:
So I can't get a new processor? I have to get a new motherboard AND a new processor? -_-


AND new memory sticks as well the board you have is a DDR board.

You will need DDR3 1066 4 GB at a minimum
May 28, 2012 12:43:46 AM

How much did you pay anyway? If i knew that it might help as far as a upgrade path. I would say your system is only worth about 100-175 bucks so i hope it was around that.
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May 28, 2012 12:46:07 AM

AlderonnX said:
I would say your system is only worth about 100-175 bucks so i hope it was around that.


I wouldn't have even paid that, but I agree, $175 is probably the top end of what it's worth.
May 28, 2012 12:54:08 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
I wouldn't have even paid that, but I agree, $175 is probably the top end of what it's worth.


If he got a decent Name brand case and a Sata HDD and CD/DVD drive. And its a OK power supply then 175 might be alright. A 6670 and those 4 things there would set you back a couple hundred anyway.

But if its a ATA HDD and a ATA disk drive and a Apeiva or raidmax case or some OEM case then even 100 is to steep.

I bought a fully functional Intel Celron HP with WinXP with Everything (moniter, keyboard,etc) for 15 bucks at a yardsale yesterday. If a person was going to build up a system from used parts then that's where i would start. Yardsale PC's FTW
May 28, 2012 12:55:49 AM

AlderonnX said:
How much did you pay anyway? If i knew that it might help as far as a upgrade path. I would say your system is only worth about 100-175 bucks so i hope it was around that.


I spent 500$ on this ***. :fou:  :fou:  :fou: . And I have to do a overhaul wtf!! -_- well my aunt who is high ranking in store chain is getting me a job so probably in a couple paychecks I'll be able to afford a whole new pc entirely. If you guys could give suggestions on a brand new BUDGET PC. I'm either going to pawn this *** or ebay it for pocket cash. :/ . I have an Alienware M15x anyway.

But I really want a PC for home. The alienware is mostly for on the go gaming. So if someone could please give me suggestions on parts and links to them so I can get them and have someone piece me together a rig worth playing :cry: 
May 28, 2012 12:59:10 AM

Oh, man.. thats rough.. i would try to get your money back...
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May 28, 2012 1:03:27 AM

If you're not afraid of building one yourself, the G630 and H61 mobo that AlderonnX listed earlier with 4GB of DDR3 1066 RAM is a nice super low budget option.

For a little more, I would suggest an i3 2120 and a Z68/Z77 mobo, with 8GB of DDR3 1600 RAM. That, along with the 6670, would be a pretty nice low budget gaming rig with some exrta upgradability still left in it (can't OC with a H61 mobo, so that's a limiting factor).

You can just use the case you already have (if you choose to keep it). You didn't mention what PSU it has, but I imagine it'll be OK for either combo I said there.
May 28, 2012 1:06:32 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
If you're not afraid of building one yourself, the G630 and H61 mobo that AlderonnX listed earlier with 4GB of DDR3 1066 RAM is a nice super low budget option.

For a little more, I would suggest an i3 2120 and a Z68/Z77 mobo, with 8GB of DDR3 1600 RAM. That, along with the 6670, would be a pretty nice low budget gaming rig.


I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get my money back and I'm going to have to end up selling it on ebay to another unlucky chump. Oh and I have a friend who builds computers so If I got the parts he could put it together so I'm up for anything. And that sounds nice but I want more suggestions.
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May 28, 2012 1:13:04 AM

denverb195 said:
I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get my money back and I'm going to have to end up selling it on ebay to another unlucky chump. Oh and I have a friend who builds computers so If I got the parts he could put it together so I'm up for anything. And that sounds nice but I want more suggestions.


Well, you'll want to stick with Intel for a pure gaming rig and once you go to an i5, things get pricier. My current build, for instance (you can check it out in my profile), was just over $900 when I bought everything a few months ago. And that doesn't include a monitor, case, mouse, or keyboard, since I already had those.

It's all in how much you want to, or CAN spend.
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May 28, 2012 1:17:23 AM

Your friend builds PCs? Did you ask him about the build before you purchased it? That is 7 year old technology.
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May 28, 2012 9:33:45 AM

Ripped off... :(  BTW who sold it to you?
May 28, 2012 9:41:26 AM

to echo others postings, your system is rather outdated and is not that capable of a rig for modern games.

if i was you i'd purchase:

i3 2120
asrock h61m-dgs
4 gig ram
radeon 5570
samsung spinpoint f3

- or the equivalent ivy bridge cpu/mobo combo when they release next month -

pretty good specs for minimum spend.

i dont really see much point in 'future proofing' gaming systems, you are better off selling the whole system just before the new processor family drops and then rebuying that way. depends on resale value in your country though i guess. in korea (where i am at the moment) resale prices are kind of high, so i just build, use, sell, build --> and so on.
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May 28, 2012 5:20:06 PM

sinsa said:
to echo others postings, your system is rather outdated and is not that capable of a rig for modern games.

if i was you i'd purchase:

i3 2120
asrock h61m-dgs
4 gig ram
radeon 5570
samsung spinpoint f3

- or the equivalent ivy bridge cpu/mobo combo when they release next month -

pretty good specs for minimum spend.

i dont really see much point in 'future proofing' gaming systems, you are better off selling the whole system just before the new processor family drops and then rebuying that way. depends on resale value in your country though i guess. in korea (where i am at the moment) resale prices are kind of high, so i just build, use, sell, build --> and so on.

except that system he bought alread has a 6670 in it, going to a 5570 is a downgrade. Harddrive can be re-used.

If you opt to buy something from Ebay or craigslist, you could look for a ddr2 motherboard (AM2+ or old 775socket Intel) and get a cpu that will fit, AMD route will be cheaper as core 2 quads are still fairly high.

Something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-K9A2-CF-F-Socket-AM2-ATX-Mo...

but if your username is related to where you live, http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundl...
$99 CPU + MB and add some DDR3 memory is the best option. Get the 965 at the bottom.
May 29, 2012 7:00:47 PM

Guys,6670 1Gb ddr5 is a good gpu when paired with decent cpu..
i have it along wid amd athlon x2 260 3.2ghz..and 4gb ram.
i play bf3 and all other latest games at ultra in 1280 * 768 resolution. :-)
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May 29, 2012 10:40:48 PM

Bodhisatwa said:
Guys,6670 1Gb ddr5 is a good gpu when paired with decent cpu..i have it along wid amd athlon x2 260 3.2ghz..and 4gb ram.
i play bf3 and all other latest games at ultra in 1280 * 768 resolution. :-)


I really wouldn't call 1280 x 768 high resolution. By most people 1920 X 1080 is considered the start of high res and higher than that is considered really high res. Try that setup at 1920 X 1080 than see what happens.
May 30, 2012 7:20:54 AM

I did not call it high res. . .u are mistaking man..and at 1080p resolution if 6670 is paired with i5 or phenom x6,it would give good fps.
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May 30, 2012 7:25:54 AM

At 1080p that card would struggle with any CPU. Period.
May 30, 2012 9:14:37 AM

@denverb195, does your computer come with a Windows 7 sticker on the side of your case with the serial key on it?
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May 30, 2012 4:58:16 PM

vrumor said:
At 1080p that card would struggle with any CPU. Period.


and that was my point. Raise resolution and it doesn't matter what CPU you have, you can have the greatest CPU known to man, at those resolutions that card is going to have problems and should be upgraded for better gaming performance.
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