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April 8, 2011 2:07:02 AM

In the next 27 hours, the US Govt. will initiate a shutdown.

Question is, what is your view on the whole debate.

NOTE: No flames of the Mods will close,( and ban in necessary)

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April 8, 2011 2:13:34 AM

The children can't share the sandbox. That pretty much sums it up. The republicans are essentially being difficult to make the democrats look bad. Obama kept expecting congress to act like adults, but then they had a food fight and he got stuck with the mess.
April 8, 2011 6:16:06 AM

It's a tough situation. Clinton came out of the previous shutdown smelling like roses because both the House and Senate were controlled by the GOP. However, this time the GOP only has the House. A potential key though is that the "Tea Party" has been hoping for a shutdown over the past few weeks, which will not make the GOP look very good in the eyes on moderates. That's the political side anyway.

Chances are that it'll happen, as no agreement what so ever is in sight. The Senate keeps blocking a continuing resolution because the cuts are too large, which I agree with. I also agree though that cuts need to be made, but not in such a drastic matter in a simple continuing resolution. What needs to occur is a debate on the budget as a whole, then reasonable cuts can be made.
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April 8, 2011 10:56:19 AM

buwish said:

The Senate keeps blocking a continuing resolution because the cuts are too large, which I agree with.

$30 - $60 billion of cuts in what, a $1.5 trillion deficit is too large?

The Dems totally ignored the question of bipartisanship when they held both houses. Now, they are whining about bipartisanship when they don't.

Let the government shut down.
April 8, 2011 11:38:35 AM

You need a budget that shows a small surplus ... deal wtih reality and move on.

Otherwise your country is going to have to renegotiate your debt ceiling ... that isn't going to be pretty.

Your US dollar is already under enough pressure.

Just cut your foreign aid program, retire a few vessels ... budget fixed !!

P.S. Can we hire one of your supercarriers ... I have an idea for a ship of gambing, drunken debauchery and sin that badge and I can sail around the world in.

Keep the Tomahalks though ... not firing one of those and getting a $750,000 charge on my room service tab.

I'll have the captain's cabin.

Batman !!
April 8, 2011 11:48:04 AM

The parasites in Congress are bickering over a billion here, or a billion there, oblivious to the fact that HUNDREDS of billions need to be cut; sorry, we simply don't have the money; never mind questions over the Government's policy of arbitrarily confiscating people's earnings, in blatant violation of their individual rights to the fruits of their labors.
It gets worse. If there is a "shutdown" (essential services are not affected, like the military and air traffic control; Social Security checks will still go out), federal employees will still get paid, just not until the shutdown ends. Most will receive full back pay too, even though (by law) they will have done no work.
Google for "Porter Stansberry" and "End of America." The guy is a convicted Wall Street fraudster/gambler who sells reports, and some of his data is out of context, but the fact remains, if our elected parasites don't drastically change their ways, overnight, we're done. And I'm not holding my breath.
April 8, 2011 1:34:57 PM

Here is an idea to fix this deficit we have: End the 2 'wars' we have in the Middle East.

And do not give any 'national security' crap, we know NS is a political fallacy.
April 8, 2011 2:07:13 PM

I have no idea why we still have such odd arrangements for governments. Regardless of what "democratic" nation you look at, instead of hiring people capable of doing a job we let people, based on their own personal beliefs and delusions, campaign for the job and then at least in the UK allow the person who gets less than half the votes from less than half the possible voters have what can be very important positions.

Crazy.

I remember reading in civ 4 I think it was how the old korean system before they were annexed by japan I think it was had a monarchy who instead of ruling themselves, appointed people who were best qualified to run the government. No idea if it worked but it seemed a good idea, have the people qualified deal with important things affecting a nation.

Seeing as politicians seem to forget what they are supposed to be doing, i.e what is best for all not what they think is best for a few, I don't know why they don't just do away with the whole system and start a fresh.
April 8, 2011 4:59:24 PM

jsc said:
$30 - $60 billion of cuts in what, a $1.5 trillion deficit is too large?

The Dems totally ignored the question of bipartisanship when they held both houses. Now, they are whining about bipartisanship when they don't.

Let the government shut down.


+1 exactly. The Dems were defeated in droves last fall when they 'should' have addressed the budget before they were lost. Fact: Obama waited to long to address the pesky budget problem He now faces. Obama's poor judgemt and lack of recitude is THE problem with his rubbish policy making both home and abroad and for that matter his entire presidency. That is fact.
April 8, 2011 5:11:38 PM

His execution of his policies and what he tackled makes him even more unpopular.

The fact of the matter is we have guys and gals over there who do not care. Over at the White House, Reid, Obama and Boehner are all pulling down their pants to see who is bigger. Explanation: Who is in charge.
April 9, 2011 8:50:42 PM

strangestranger said:
I have no idea why we still have such odd arrangements for governments. Regardless of what "democratic" nation you look at, instead of hiring people capable of doing a job we let people, based on their own personal beliefs and delusions, campaign for the job and then at least in the UK allow the person who gets less than half the votes from less than half the possible voters have what can be very important positions.

Seeing as politicians seem to forget what they are supposed to be doing, i.e what is best for all not what they think is best for a few, I don't know why they don't just do away with the whole system and start a fresh.


How would the person appointed to hire said individuals receive position? What would qualify appointees as the most eligible? Unfortunately monarchies don't really work. While democracy is flawed, it's the best we have.

The problem with elections are financial in nature and having to pay back companies / unions / individuals for keeping said politician in office with cash streams. It's become a game of marketing. E.g. Obama--Definitely not the most qualified nor intelligent, but marketed the best.
April 10, 2011 12:07:42 PM

Genny, how do people get jobs in real life?

For the most part that is the answer to your post. The problem is not money, it is people.

April 10, 2011 8:13:08 PM

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Here is an idea to fix this deficit we have: End the 2 'wars' we have in the Middle East.


Moammar Khadaffi wrote Barack Obama a letter Thursday telling him he will always be his son. What a generous winner. Who'd have believed after three weeks of war, Moammar Khadaffi's government would still be running and Obama's government would shut down.



April 10, 2011 10:53:46 PM

History is all about the long term...not the short term. Gaddafi will end up being a footnote in the grand scheme of it all.
April 11, 2011 6:39:50 AM

Some of you sound just like your GOP party, only you keep forgetting that it was your guy (8 years of it) who put us in this mess to start with.
Now you blame Obama for not getting us out of it in 3 years.
It's going to take 10 to 12 years to us out the mess that our predecessor put us in. In the meantime we, The United States, can't ignore foriegn policy. We still have to help protect the rest of the world, even if it looks just like we're only protecting the oil.

Think of what the Middle East would be like if we just sat back and watched and did nothing.
One thing for sure, the Dem's & Gop's aren't working together to make our lives any easier and the Tea Party is only making things worse.
April 11, 2011 8:06:10 AM

Rogue77777 said:
Some of you sound just like your GOP party, only you keep forgetting that it was your guy (8 years of it) who put us in this mess to start with.
Now you blame Obama for not getting us out of it in 3 years.
It's going to take 10 to 12 years to us out the mess that our predecessor put us in. In the meantime we, The United States, can't ignore foriegn policy. We still have to help protect the rest of the world, even if it looks just like we're only protecting the oil.

Think of what the Middle East would be like if we just sat back and watched and did nothing.
One thing for sure, the Dem's & Gop's aren't working together to make our lives any easier and the Tea Party is only making things worse.


Yeah, Clinton's failed middle east foeign policy was so successful people forget just how effective He was at failure. Clinton's failed foreign policy is responsible for causing the war in Iraq. In addition, the nuclear power plant Clinton built for N. Korea at taxpayer expense for that country's word to end their nuclear weapons development program worked out well. Obama's administration's elitist rubbish policy making both domestically and foreign is much better.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=457jp8VGhEE
April 11, 2011 1:37:14 PM

Who was the president who built an army base near Mecca? There is your problem with the who terrorist thing. We violated Bin Ladins territory.
April 11, 2011 1:44:36 PM

I believe so, but still, BL was pissed at us for doing it. We were his ally them we 'turned' on him, as he says.
April 11, 2011 4:43:24 PM

If all the money spent in the Middle East since 1976 had been earmarked to develop a tech. that would power family transport and commercial trucking vehicles at 70 m.p.h. on something other than oil ,who would care about any of this? We need a Manhatten Project for energy independence. Both political parties and the corporate intrests that finance them(usually the same) have failed to care enough about long term intrests to do any thing but keep the status quo. We elect leaders to lead not just get re-elected and sell pie in the sky budget figures and peace initives. I hope anyway.
April 11, 2011 5:00:06 PM

Genny said:
How would the person appointed to hire said individuals receive position? What would qualify appointees as the most eligible? Unfortunately monarchies don't really work. While democracy is flawed, it's the best we have.

The problem with elections are financial in nature and having to pay back companies / unions / individuals for keeping said politician in office with cash streams. It's become a game of marketing. E.g. Obama--Definitely not the most qualified nor intelligent, but marketed the best.

It took the Walking Dead and the Alaska Idiot to get Obama elected.
April 11, 2011 5:07:54 PM

Rogue77777 said:
Some of you sound just like your GOP party, only you keep forgetting that it was your guy (8 years of it) who put us in this mess to start with.
Now you blame Obama for not getting us out of it in 3 years.
It's going to take 10 to 12 years to us out the mess that our predecessor put us in. In the meantime we, The United States, can't ignore foriegn policy. We still have to help protect the rest of the world, even if it looks just like we're only protecting the oil.

Think of what the Middle East would be like if we just sat back and watched and did nothing.
One thing for sure, the Dem's & Gop's aren't working together to make our lives any easier and the Tea Party is only making things worse.

Bush was right to hit the Taliban and bin Ladin. He was also right to ask our treaty allies for help.
April 11, 2011 6:34:56 PM

The United States of America: The new and final Rome.

When China rises, they will fall flat on their face faster than we. Heck, if the Chinese currency wasn't tied to the US dollar, China would be taking off by now. When we or China unties either currency, one of us will fall.
April 11, 2011 7:35:35 PM

How do I say "I Welcome our new Chinese Overlords" In the glorious Chinese language?
April 11, 2011 8:52:34 PM

wanamingo said:
How do I say "I Welcome our new Chinese Overlords" In the glorious Chinese language?


That commercial about the Chinese saying "they work for us" is pretty creepy if I may say so.
April 12, 2011 12:32:29 AM

...no, YOU guys voted for the idiots that got us into this mess. Don't blame me, I didn't vote/couldn't vote at all.
April 12, 2011 2:00:48 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Very creepy because deep down inside we all know that is a very possible future. Not like 100 years from now, but 20 years from now.

We have got to get this country solvent again and that means cutting spending. It will hurt, but we dug our own grave here.


I couldn't agree more. Getting our house in order is of prime concern to every American. Blame it on Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, or Obama, it doesn't really matter- point is that we are in a big hole that is getting deeper every day. Digging the hole is the easy part, but finding enough "dirt" to fill it all the way in is the hard part.
April 12, 2011 4:04:40 AM

I know where to get the dirt, getting out of the 2 stupid wars we where never suppose to go into.
April 12, 2011 4:35:19 AM

Obama is going to pick up and leave Iraq before next year's election. Leave Iraq to Iran which is the most stupid thing we could possibly do. May as well leave Korea and leave all of Asia to communism. N. Korea, Japan, Taiwan all of Asia. Maybe Harley Davidson could build your motherboard. Or research and development at Ben and Jerry's could could make you some cherry fudge riptooth dominator ballistic fire dog RAM. Who needs Toyota or ASUS or Hyundai or Helpee Selfee laundry in the free world. We should have let all of Europe just go ahead and learn to speak German in WWII. No, we don't need to be in the middle east. Cool arab muslims like Saddam Hussein should just take two thirds of the world's known oil reserves and all our money and terrorize the world giving us the finger lighting his cigar with Franklins. Yeah, we shouldn't protect our interests in the world and instead be strong behind Obama's rubbish elitist administrations policy and pull our military home from everywhere and sit here as isolationists. Yeah, Obama 2012! WooHoo! WooHoo! Obama is where it's at baby! Woohoo! ef you towel heads and your oil. Ef you Japs and your Toyotas! WooHoo! Lets pull out and give the efer's the world! WooHoo!

WTF! I just took a giant B12 vitamin and my efing hair is standing up! WooHoo! Welcome to the free world. It's your constitutional right.
April 12, 2011 5:14:13 AM

^Readers Digest Condensed Version Please, I think those B12 pills got you a little too hyper there.
April 12, 2011 5:33:14 AM

Seriously? JM even admitted he had some issues as well.

If all is fair, both Dems and Reps use others weaknesses for gain. That is absolute BS.

You know what I think, I think I am voting for someone who actually WANTS to fix the country, not someone who says they will fix it.
April 12, 2011 5:40:34 AM

Want to know about recession, hard times lost hope? Pick up a book on the Carter years sometime. Maybe some books on the Civil War, WWII, Korea and Vietnam would give some insight to what America is about. Read about 1929 stock market crash, the depression, rise of the Nazi party in the 30's and how our foreign policy went in WWII. Maybe look into the accompolishment of the Reagan administration and the end to the Cold war and the disolving of what was the Soviet Union. Here's a little excerpt regarding John F. Kennedy's administration. Kennedy was president when the Vietnam war came to fruition. Of course Nixon had that war won until Jane Fonda shoowed up on the front lines and gave us away to the VC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1iaQSGT3Wo&feature=play...!
April 12, 2011 5:54:22 AM

People realize what happens along the way. We stand on principles, but do we follow them? I think not. What America has fallen into is a spiral in which we cannot control for our own future. Here is what Eisenhower tells us. This may help some of the Republicans on the wars we are on. Democrats and Independents should tune in as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY&feature=rela...
April 12, 2011 8:18:46 AM

badge said:
Want to know about recession, hard times lost hope? Pick up a book on the Carter years sometime. Maybe some books on the Civil War, WWII, Korea and Vietnam would give some insight to what America is about. Read about 1929 stock market crash, the depression, rise of the Nazi party in the 30's and how our foreign policy went in WWII. Maybe look into the accompolishment of the Reagan administration and the end to the Cold war and the disolving of what was the Soviet Union. Here's a little excerpt regarding John F. Kennedy's administration. Kennedy was president when the Vietnam war came to fruition. Of course Nixon had that war won until Jane Fonda shoowed up on the front lines and gave us away to the VC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1iaQSGT3Wo&feature=play...!


Badge, I suspect that you're a closet historian. :D 
April 12, 2011 12:48:19 PM

He is out of the closet now on so many things we will never get him back in there without some restraints and a couple of orderly's.

He is like wingding with a condom ...
April 12, 2011 1:41:11 PM

Old enough to be aware of the situation.

Do you think we are over there for the terrorism? Guess again.
April 12, 2011 2:29:51 PM

badge said:

WTF! I just took a giant B12 vitamin and my efing hair is standing up! WooHoo! Welcome to the free world. It's your constitutional right.

Enjoy it while you can. FDA still wants to ban OTC vitamin supplements.

badge said:
Important reading material for 'ya. Skip the part where He grows up in Hawaii ...

Ask him how he got a Connecticut Social Security card.
Mail order, perhaps? :) 
April 12, 2011 6:37:47 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
You might think the beliefs of radical Islam are silly. Those that follow those teachings take it very seriously, so I take them very seriously. When they say they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, I believe them. When they say the world will be washed in blood to bring about the return of the 12 Imam, I believe them. Why? Because they believe it. It doesn't matter how silly you think religion is. The fact is THEY believe in it very deeply; that's why it's dangerous.

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Not all Muslims are like that, just like not all Christians/Atheists/ Jews/ Buddhists/ anyone is not unreasonable to talk to about simple matters.

Bin Laden leads a false teaching. Even some major Islamic leaders/scholars say he is crooked and is screwing with Islam.
April 12, 2011 10:21:53 PM

I am aware of terrorism to its finest.


Most people do not know this but, we were allies with Bin Laden when he was defending Afghanistan form the USSR.

We pissed him off for some reason and he declared Jihad on anyone who was American or who was ever an ally of the USA.

TBH, let us get back to the government over here.

I can't see someone like Bachman or Plain or even Gingrich running for president. I can see Romney or Trump as pres though.
April 12, 2011 10:33:32 PM

Add Tim Pawlenty, Bob McDonnell and an outside chance of Marco Rubio to the Romney list. Since Obama took office not a single important terrorist has been caught.
April 13, 2011 1:13:04 AM

donald trump is stupid, he raises the question of where obama was born when we are dealing with libya, gov't shut downs, recession, unemployment

gives a lot of insight about his priorities, besides just because he was a tycoon doesn't mean he will be able to get us out of the recession, he himself defaulted on a CASINO....how do you do that?? and he lost a lot of his commercial properties
April 13, 2011 1:16:06 AM

Upie! Haven't heard form you in a long time! :D 

Nice to see you.
April 13, 2011 1:56:52 AM

yeah been busy with school
April 14, 2011 1:37:32 PM

We should of expected, after what our congressmen have said that it will be taking out over 10 trillion over 10,( or something like that), I immediately, did not believe them over this budget deal.
April 14, 2011 1:59:11 PM

I think it is both the Corporate greed and abuse of Capitalism they do. Also the MID,( Military Industrial Complex).

I want TRUE Capitalism brought back and my Country!
April 14, 2011 3:19:38 PM

True capitalism cant regulate itself, thats the problem.
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