Government Shutdown

In the next 27 hours, the US Govt. will initiate a shutdown.

Question is, what is your view on the whole debate.

NOTE: No flames of the Mods will close,( and ban in necessary)

The children can't share the sandbox. That pretty much sums it up. The republicans are essentially being difficult to make the democrats look bad. Obama kept expecting congress to act like adults, but then they had a food fight and he got stuck with the mess.

$30 - $60 billion of cuts in what, a $1.5 trillion deficit is too large?

The Dems totally ignored the question of bipartisanship when they held both houses. Now, they are whining about bipartisanship when they don't.

Let the government shut down.

The parasites in Congress are bickering over a billion here, or a billion there, oblivious to the fact that HUNDREDS of billions need to be cut; sorry, we simply don't have the money; never mind questions over the Government's policy of arbitrarily confiscating people's earnings, in blatant violation of their individual rights to the fruits of their labors.
It gets worse. If there is a "shutdown" (essential services are not affected, like the military and air traffic control; Social Security checks will still go out), federal employees will still get paid, just not until the shutdown ends. Most will receive full back pay too, even though (by law) they will have done no work.
Google for "Porter Stansberry" and "End of America." The guy is a convicted Wall Street fraudster/gambler who sells reports, and some of his data is out of context, but the fact remains, if our elected parasites don't drastically change their ways, overnight, we're done. And I'm not holding my breath.

I have no idea why we still have such odd arrangements for governments. Regardless of what "democratic" nation you look at, instead of hiring people capable of doing a job we let people, based on their own personal beliefs and delusions, campaign for the job and then at least in the UK allow the person who gets less than half the votes from less than half the possible voters have what can be very important positions.

Crazy.

I remember reading in civ 4 I think it was how the old korean system before they were annexed by japan I think it was had a monarchy who instead of ruling themselves, appointed people who were best qualified to run the government. No idea if it worked but it seemed a good idea, have the people qualified deal with important things affecting a nation.

Seeing as politicians seem to forget what they are supposed to be doing, i.e what is best for all not what they think is best for a few, I don't know why they don't just do away with the whole system and start a fresh.

+1 exactly. The Dems were defeated in droves last fall when they 'should' have addressed the budget before they were lost. Fact: Obama waited to long to address the pesky budget problem He now faces. Obama's poor judgemt and lack of recitude is THE problem with his rubbish policy making both home and abroad and for that matter his entire presidency. That is fact.

How would the person appointed to hire said individuals receive position? What would qualify appointees as the most eligible? Unfortunately monarchies don't really work. While democracy is flawed, it's the best we have.

The problem with elections are financial in nature and having to pay back companies / unions / individuals for keeping said politician in office with cash streams. It's become a game of marketing. E.g. Obama--Definitely not the most qualified nor intelligent, but marketed the best.

SHOULD!?!

Moammar Khadaffi wrote Barack Obama a letter Thursday telling him he will always be his son. What a generous winner. Who'd have believed after three weeks of war, Moammar Khadaffi's government would still be running and Obama's government would shut down.

Some of you sound just like your GOP party, only you keep forgetting that it was your guy (8 years of it) who put us in this mess to start with.
Now you blame Obama for not getting us out of it in 3 years.
It's going to take 10 to 12 years to us out the mess that our predecessor put us in. In the meantime we, The United States, can't ignore foriegn policy. We still have to help protect the rest of the world, even if it looks just like we're only protecting the oil.

Think of what the Middle East would be like if we just sat back and watched and did nothing.
One thing for sure, the Dem's & Gop's aren't working together to make our lives any easier and the Tea Party is only making things worse.

George Bush DID NOT cause this. Hell, he was the first president since 1979 to really try and actually do something to fight this. Was it the right decision? That's debateable.

Remember, Islamic Jihad was declared on the west in 1979. Every president since then has stuck their head in the sand and ignored the problem. Don't blame Bush for actually trying to fight it. Part of me wishes he had been more aggressive in prosecuting the war.

Didn't we do that at the behest of King Abdullah though? i.e. we got permission from the king?

Well, didn't his whole family "turn" on him in Saudi Arabia? They disowned him and cut him off from the family forturne if I remember correctly.

It took the Walking Dead and the Alaska Idiot to get Obama elected.

$30 billion is added to the national debt every 2 days. We're talking peanuts here as directly related to our total debt.

Democrats define bipartisanship as Republicans agreeing with THEM.

This is all a ruse. The world is getting ready to dump the dollar as its reserve currency. Once that happens we will no longer be able to just print money. That's when everything will collapse. I expect this to happen probably sometime this year. Watch the gold and silver prices double. $200/barrel oil. Everything will come to a standstill. When the rest of the world figures out that their sky-rocketing food and energy prices is due to the Federal Reserve deliberately inflating the dollar by monetizing our own debt; who do you think they will most pissed at? Yup, US.

Dump your T-bills; they will soon be worthless.

How do I say "I Welcome our new Chinese Overlords" In the glorious Chinese language?

Very creepy because deep down inside we all know that is a very possible future. Not like 100 years from now, but 20 years from now.

We have got to get this country solvent again and that means cutting spending. It will hurt, but we dug our own grave here.

I couldn't agree more. Getting our house in order is of prime concern to every American. Blame it on Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, or Obama, it doesn't really matter- point is that we are in a big hole that is getting deeper every day. Digging the hole is the easy part, but finding enough "dirt" to fill it all the way in is the hard part.

Obama is going to pick up and leave Iraq before next year's election. Leave Iraq to Iran which is the most stupid thing we could possibly do. May as well leave Korea and leave all of Asia to communism. N. Korea, Japan, Taiwan all of Asia. Maybe Harley Davidson could build your motherboard. Or research and development at Ben and Jerry's could could make you some cherry fudge riptooth dominator ballistic fire dog RAM. Who needs Toyota or ASUS or Hyundai or Helpee Selfee laundry in the free world. We should have let all of Europe just go ahead and learn to speak German in WWII. No, we don't need to be in the middle east. Cool arab muslims like Saddam Hussein should just take two thirds of the world's known oil reserves and all our money and terrorize the world giving us the finger lighting his cigar with Franklins. Yeah, we shouldn't protect our interests in the world and instead be strong behind Obama's rubbish elitist administrations policy and pull our military home from everywhere and sit here as isolationists. Yeah, Obama 2012! WooHoo! WooHoo! Obama is where it's at baby! Woohoo! ef you towel heads and your oil. Ef you Japs and your Toyotas! WooHoo! Lets pull out and give the efer's the world! WooHoo!

WTF! I just took a giant B12 vitamin and my efing hair is standing up! WooHoo! Welcome to the free world. It's your constitutional right.

Important reading material for 'ya. Skip the part where He grows up in Hawaii addicted to coke and hanging with prostitutes. Then goes on to sit in Rev. Wright's church for nearly twenty years, works hard and becomes a community organizer. I think He got a good neighbor Medal or something for his hard work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

In this video believe it or not He looks like my father.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INv [...] re=related

Want to know about recession, hard times lost hope? Pick up a book on the Carter years sometime. Maybe some books on the Civil War, WWII, Korea and Vietnam would give some insight to what America is about. Read about 1929 stock market crash, the depression, rise of the Nazi party in the 30's and how our foreign policy went in WWII. Maybe look into the accompolishment of the Reagan administration and the end to the Cold war and the disolving of what was the Soviet Union. Here's a little excerpt regarding John F. Kennedy's administration. Kennedy was president when the Vietnam war came to fruition. Of course Nixon had that war won until Jane Fonda shoowed up on the front lines and gave us away to the VC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1i [...] embedded#!

Badge, I suspect that you're a closet historian.

Just curious dogman, how old were you on 9/11/2001?

You might think the beliefs of radical Islam are silly. Those that follow those teachings take it very seriously, so I take them very seriously. When they say they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, I believe them. When they say the world will be washed in blood to bring about the return of the 12 Imam, I believe them. Why? Because they believe it. It doesn't matter how silly you think religion is. The fact is THEY believe in it very deeply; that's why it's dangerous.

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Not all Muslims are like that, just like not all Christians/Atheists/ Jews/ Buddhists/ anyone is not unreasonable to talk to about simple matters.

Bin Laden leads a false teaching. Even some major Islamic leaders/scholars say he is crooked and is screwing with Islam.

I am aware of terrorism to its finest.


Most people do not know this but, we were allies with Bin Laden when he was defending Afghanistan form the USSR.

We pissed him off for some reason and he declared Jihad on anyone who was American or who was ever an ally of the USA.

TBH, let us get back to the government over here.

I can't see someone like Bachman or Plain or even Gingrich running for president. I can see Romney or Trump as pres though.