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Upgrading 4890 $150-200 preferred.

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December 13, 2011 7:16:23 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within the next month or so.

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:: Gaming first and foremost, I would like to be able to run pretty much anything recent and fairly upcoming at maximum or near maximum settings.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: XFX HD Radeon 4890 and Thermaltake Black Widow Gaming TR2 RX 850W.

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX, ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard, G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM

Antec 300 Case: Top fan is blowing up and out, back fan is blowing out. CPU Cooler: XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 120mm mounted with fan blowing out the front of the case. My temps are more than adequate, processor is current factory clocked. Though it ran stable at 3.7 Ghz with no real temp increases.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: It doesn't matter. I'm not loyal to anything but price. That being said I've almost exclusively used Newegg.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

OVERCLOCKING: I'd like the option open, but for the right card and the right price it's not a necessity. SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Same as the overclocking statement.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050, would like the upgrade to be able to adapt to 1920x1200.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: One monitor. Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts. I know a GTX 560 or Radeon 6870 may go slightly over my budget without rebates (though I can deal with them) but I'm wondering what your thoughts on that upgrade path are.
a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 7:21:05 PM

There are some good deals with rebates at the mo , with your system I would spend that little bit more and get yourself a 6950 or 560ti , they are great performers especially that your system is gaming first priority. Don't skimp on your GPU, especially if you are going to upgrade to 1920x1200 ,for just over 200 can get a 6950 or 560ti on newegg and you will see a huge performance jump from your 4890.
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December 13, 2011 7:32:29 PM

iamtheother said:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within the next month or so.

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:: Gaming first and foremost, I would like to be able to run pretty much anything recent and fairly upcoming at maximum or near maximum settings.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: XFX HD Radeon 4890 and Thermaltake Black Widow Gaming TR2 RX 850W.

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX, ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard, G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM

Antec 300 Case: Top fan is blowing up and out, back fan is blowing out. CPU Cooler: XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 120mm mounted with fan blowing out the front of the case. My temps are more than adequate, processor is current factory clocked. Though it ran stable at 3.7 Ghz with no real temp increases.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: It doesn't matter. I'm not loyal to anything but price. That being said I've almost exclusively used Newegg.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

OVERCLOCKING: I'd like the option open, but for the right card and the right price it's not a necessity. SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Same as the overclocking statement.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050, would like the upgrade to be able to adapt to 1920x1200.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: One monitor. Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts. I know a GTX 560 or Radeon 6870 may go slightly over my budget without rebates (though I can deal with them) but I'm wondering what your thoughts on that upgrade path are.

OK the 69xx is highly overrated because of the price and the 560ti is good but mostly over hyped so I would highly recommend because you have the mobo for it two Radeon HD 6850 in CFX and it will cost you the same as what you paid for your 4890 but you will have the performance = to or greater than a GTX 580 for hundreds cheaper PEACE.
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December 13, 2011 7:47:06 PM

because your not looking to spend much, i'd suggest buying a cheap non ti 560, and overclock the hell out of it.
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December 13, 2011 8:07:13 PM

Frizzo said:
because your not looking to spend much, i'd suggest buying a cheap non ti 560, and overclock the hell out of it.

A non ti GTX 560 is not any much faster than a Radeon HD 4890 by any means or stretch.
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 8:09:04 PM

6870/6850 for great performance.
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December 13, 2011 8:21:52 PM

i've recorded benchmarks that score an overclocked gtx 560 above the stock ti. with sandra.
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 8:23:38 PM

The ti overclocks very well , and scores even better than a 560
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December 13, 2011 8:25:22 PM

no sh%#, the guy is trying to save money is the point.
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 8:31:05 PM

The point is he can do better to spend a little more if his requirements are to power a pc that is gaming first priority as he has stated.
A standard 560 just don't cut it tbh especially in the lastest games like BF3.
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December 13, 2011 8:32:12 PM

Two 6850's puts me over 300, so that's for sure not something preferred. A GTX 560 Ti is how I've been leaning as of late, but it seems that the internet tells me it has a lot of bios issues. Is that something I should be overly concerned about?

@Headspin: are you saying choose one 6870 and/or 6850 for a good gain? Or are you talking about Crossfire?

Thanks so far.
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 8:33:41 PM

I'll leave it to you Frizzo since you appear to be an expert by stating a 560 overclocked beats a 560ti in a synthetic benchmark and not real life gaming benchmarks.LOL
Thanks for the free entertainment!
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 8:35:28 PM

Not all 560ti's have a bios issue , some have updated thier bio's cos of issues in BF3 and Skyrim
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December 13, 2011 8:40:10 PM

it's not easy to find real world benchmarks of overclocked hardware, so if you know something i don't, feel free to give a link to real world benchmarks of heavily overclocked 560's.
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December 13, 2011 8:42:09 PM

iamtheother said:
Two 6850's puts me over 300, so that's for sure not something preferred. A GTX 560 Ti is how I've been leaning as of late, but it seems that the internet tells me it has a lot of bios issues. Is that something I should be overly concerned about?

@Headspin: are you saying choose one 6870 and/or 6850 for a good gain? Or are you talking about Crossfire?

Thanks so far.

Dude if you can get even one 6870 it is really the best card performance wise to dollar spent bar none on the market today.The Nvidia guys will tell you different but in reality the 6870 is faster at stock than a 5850 which already stomps the 4890 and being that the 6870 is a very great OverClocker it can match the performance of a 5870 and GTX 570 so just do it and read some behcies on the 6870 you will be pleased.
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December 13, 2011 9:41:32 PM

Can you hold out a little longer and save a little extra cash??

I dont think the upgrade at your present price point will be that significant to what you presently have considering the resolution you are presently at.
The new 7xxx and 6xx will be popping out soon and the prices of present gpu's should dip a bit.

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December 13, 2011 9:45:45 PM

Embra said:
Can you hold out a little longer and save a little extra cash??

I dont think the upgrade at your present price point will be that significant to what you presently have considering the resolution you are presently at.
The new 7xxx and 6xx will be popping out soon and the prices of present gpu's should dip a bit.

I owned two 4890s and they were and are still BEAST.
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 9:46:59 PM

a 6850 is practically a dx11 4890 performance wise Id at least jump up to a 6950 or gtx 560ti
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 9:53:26 PM

I would'nt waste my time with anything else, a 6950 or 560ti is worth the price.
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December 13, 2011 9:55:28 PM

Headspin_69 said:
Dude if you can get even one 6870 it is really the best card performance wise to dollar spent bar none on the market today.The Nvidia guys will tell you different but in reality the 6870 is faster at stock than a 5850 which already stomps the 4890 and being that the 6870 is a very great OverClocker it can match the performance of a 5870 and GTX 570 so just do it and read some behcies on the 6870 you will be pleased.



I have to respectfully disagree with you on many levels with what you said above. First, in terms of performance this is how I see it: 5770<4890<5850<6870<5870<gtx560ti/6950<gtx570 you can oc the 6870 but no way will it be near gtx 570 performance... some of the performance margins are larger then others. Now if you were talking about the ability to oc the gtx 560ti or 6950 instead of the 6870 (short of an expensive top aftermarket model) then your statement would make sense, but I would not want the OP to get the wrong idea.

Ive owned 4 different 6870s now and the last thing I would say is that they are "great overclockers" In fact, many of them flat out stunk when it come to not only oc'ing but then seeing actual gains in terms of fps meaning that the increased frequencies where actually being fully through-putted and utilized by the gpus architecture. IMO (6870s) they are pretty much maxed out short of doing massive voltage increases, I had one that reached 970 core but imo that was not that great and furthermore the fps increase was minimal to nothing whereas my gtx 560ti's core ocs by 2000+mhz with minimal voltage increase and this affects performance by about 8-15% depending on what you are using to gauge, well that my 2 cents and how it relates to what I was saying.

The bottom line is that the best bang for your buck cards at this very moment are the gtx 560ti and 6950

also the 6950 has 288 more SPUs and faster memory then the 6870.... just sayin, not that its everything but I beleilve jumping to the gtx 560ti/6950 level of gpu is worth the price increase over a 6870 and will also be a hell of a lot more viable option in crossfire and sli if the OP chooses so in the future.
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December 13, 2011 10:04:42 PM

jjb8675309 said:
I have to respectfully disagree with you on many levels with what you said above. First, in terms of performance this is how I see it: 5770<4890<5850<6870<5870<gtx560ti/6950<gtx570 you can oc the 6870 but no way will it be near gtx 570 performance... some of the performance margins are larger then others. Now if you were talking about the ability to oc the gtx 560ti or 6950 instead of the 6870 (short of an expensive top aftermarket model) then your statement would make sense, but I would not want the OP to get the wrong idea.

Ive owned 4 different 6870s now and the last thing I would say is that they are "great overclockers" In fact, many of them flat out stunk when it come to not only oc'ing but then seeing actual gains in terms of fps meaning that the increased frequencies where actually being fully through-putted and utilized by the gpus architecture. IMO (6870s) they are pretty much maxed out short of doing massive voltage increases, I had one that reached 970 core but imo that was not that great and furthermore the fps increase was minimal to nothing whereas my gtx 560ti's core ocs by 2000+mhz with minimal voltage increase and this affects performance by about 8-15% depending on what you are using to gauge, well that my 2 cents and how it relates to what I was saying.

The bottom line is that the best bang for your buck cards at this very moment are the gtx 560ti and 6950

Getting 10fps more or less is not bang for your buck which is ultimately the difference between the 6870 and 6950.
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December 13, 2011 10:05:42 PM

monsta said:
I would'nt waste my time with anything else, a 6950 or 560ti is worth the price.



agreed and the only reason I would not buy either of those if I were the OP would be to bump up to a 570 or 6970 which is ultimatley not worth it if you are going to oc the 6950 or gtx 560ti imo
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:06:22 PM

^+1
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:08:20 PM

10 FPS in BF3 can make or break the games playability especially in minimum fps, and also when you want to max out the settings.
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December 13, 2011 10:08:23 PM

Headspin_69 said:
Getting 10fps more or less is not bang for your buck which is ultimately the difference between the 6870 and 6950.



10 fps initially and maybe say 15 when oc'ed the bottom line is in that bracket of performance those 10-15 fps you might gain are going to be important if you are hovering at the 30 fps mark which you inevitable will be with the 6870 (at least in terms of fps minimums on demanding games) for most games either would be fine, but that is my 2 cents so thanks for trying to deduce my drawn out explanation to a vague 1 liner.... :non:  :lol:  :bounce: 
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December 13, 2011 10:08:52 PM

monsta said:
10 FPS in BF3 can make or break the games playability especially in minimum fps, and also when you want to max out the settings.

^+1
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December 13, 2011 10:09:42 PM

jjb8675309 said:
10 fps initially and maybe say 15 when oc'ed the bottom line is in that bracket of performance those 10-15 fps you might gain are going to be important if you are hovering at the 30 fps mark which you inevitable will be with the 6870 (at least in terms of fps minimums on demanding games) for most games either would be fine, but that is my 2 cents so thanks for trying to deduce my drawn out explanation to a vague 1 liner.... :non:  :lol:  :bounce: 

So you just confirmed that CFX 6850/6870 is the best way to go unless you have the money to go big.
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:11:10 PM

No one agreed with you.LOL
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December 13, 2011 10:14:58 PM

monsta said:
No one agreed with you.LOL

why spend more money when an actual upgrade is on the way when the new cards come out just around the corner the 69xx and 5xx are over hyped and overpriced and did not really move the industry ahead in performance for dollar spent at all when a GTX 480 and Radeon HD 5870 still generally out performs a GTX 570 give or take.
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December 13, 2011 10:16:28 PM

@Rookspin_69


6870 crossfire absolute worst way to go, I had it, and during my extensive use of it had unbearable micro-stuttering no matter what, it is inherent due to poor drivers.. and through several drivers, several different games and remedies...

also many articles have been published to exemplify this problem, if you want to do xfire then you go no lower then 6950s...

check out this article by our own beloved Toms HW:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

and more specifically this page of it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

6870 crossfire is an absolutely abhorrent waste of money and a terrible choice, there is my evidence. If you think you are right then please at least provide evidence to support your claim because it is clear to me and everyone else that you are wrong, and again I wouldn't want the OP to make the wrong decision after your seeing your illustrious advice...
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:17:01 PM

By the time the 6xx and 7xxx series come out the 560ti and 6950 prices will drop , so it just makes them more attractive
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:19:58 PM

^yes good point might wanna wait a small amount of time for that to happen
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:21:23 PM

You can already get a 560ti at 189 with rebate, its only going to get better.
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:21:28 PM

jjb8675309 said:
@Rookspin_69


6870 crossfire absolute worst way to go, I had it, and during my extensive use of it had unbearable micro-stuttering no matter what, it is inherent due to poor drivers.. and through several drivers, several different games and remedies...

also many articles have been published to exemplify this problem, if you want to do xfire then you go no lower then 6950s...

check out this article by our own beloved Toms HW:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

and more specifically this page of it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

6870 crossfire is an absolutely abhorrent waste of money and a terrible choice, there is my evidence, of you think you are right then please at least provide evidence to support your claim because it is clear to me and everyone else that you are wrong, and again I wouldnt want the OP to make the wrong decision after your illustrious advice...

Nvidia Fan Bouy Propaganda
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:23:14 PM

Nvidia fanboi?
Its funny how the fanboi card gets taken out so quickly, did you read that he also suggested a 6950 which is an AMD card , not Nvidia.LOL
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:23:27 PM

^Above I'm clear recommending both the 6950 and gtx 560ti so draw whatever idiotic conclusion you want.
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December 13, 2011 10:24:18 PM

Headspin_69 said:
Nvidia Fan Bouy Propaganda



Shhhh enough now, move on so the OP can get the info they need...

well hopefully we will here from the OP, until then im on standby
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:25:12 PM

Clearly the AMD Fanboi put his foot in his mouth
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December 13, 2011 10:27:04 PM

jjb8675309 said:
^Above I'm clear recommending both the 6950 and gtx 560ti so draw whatever idiotic conclusion you want.

FAN BOUY ^
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:27:50 PM

Theres something on your face , is that egg?
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December 13, 2011 10:29:14 PM

monsta said:
Theres something on your face , is that egg?

560ti s have BIOS problems
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:29:23 PM

Headspin_69 said:
why spend more money when an actual upgrade is on the way when the new cards come out just around the corner the 69xx and 5xx are over hyped and overpriced and did not really move the industry ahead in performance for dollar spent at all when a GTX 480 and Radeon HD 5870 still generally out performs a GTX 570 give or take.


really? I see the 5870 getting beaten out by the gtx 480 and 570, as far as the gtx 480 and gtx 570 the 570 seems to win out more often then not but the 480 is no slouch either,

however I would say that the 5870 is a good deal behind either of these cards especially when tesselation or AA is heavily utilized.

but beyond that we have no business even talking about the 480 or 5870, neither would be a good purchase at this point in time...
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:30:17 PM

^+1
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:31:18 PM

Have 2 of them 560ti's that is , no bios problem ;) 
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December 13, 2011 10:32:18 PM

Headspin_69 said:
560ti s have BIOS problems



according to what? Is this your opinion or are you making an argument with a piece of information that will back up your erroneous conclusion!?
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December 13, 2011 10:33:22 PM

monsta said:
Have 2 of them 560ti's that is , no bios problem ;) 



yes and I have one.... no bios problem, funny I thought they were such a problem *sarcasm
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a c 88 U Graphics card
December 13, 2011 10:34:24 PM

Same thats why I bought 2 of them ...*more sarcasm
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