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February 13, 2012 3:22:50 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Looking to order parts to have built week of March 1st

Budget Range ~$1200 (1000 from me, gf said she would put in 250 for bday present)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Video gaming, streaming games, video rendering/editing

Parts Not Required: Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, HDD

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: needs to be in Canada (so newegg.ca, ncix.ca etc)

Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: AMD (though i listed a i5 in build)

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200

Additional Comments: I have Windows 7 and office, i'd like to cut any extra expensive i can from the build i am listing as its a bit over my budget (though do able) without really giving up performance

CPU: i5 2500K http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GPU: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU: Thermaltake TPG-750M 750W http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM: Corsair Vengence 16 GB (4x4GB) http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SSD: OCZ Vertex 2 60GB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Case: Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
February 13, 2012 3:40:56 AM

Everything looks great.

I would advise you to pass on the SSD and use the extra money to get yourself a 7970 and/or a water cooling kit for your CPU.

I know that most people would disagree with me on that (and have many times in the past). There are more pressing needs when you first build a rig than faster loading times.

If you are on a budget, put the power where it counts. After all, you can always get the SSD later.
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February 13, 2012 3:42:57 AM

That's the same thing he told me when I was OCing, but I decided to OC anyway. :p 
However, on a budget, he is right. It no longer applies to me as I upped my budget to $1800. :p 
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February 13, 2012 3:44:05 AM

azeem40 said:
That's the same thing he told me when I was OCing, but I decided to OC anyway. :p 
However, on a budget, he is right. It no longer applies to me as I upped my budget to $1800. :p 


What did I tell you?
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February 13, 2012 3:50:51 AM

You told me not to OC since it is my first time and I will fry my motherboard or something lol.
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February 13, 2012 3:52:07 AM

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Total = saves you $30 and the rest of you build would be to subjective to change like the case and SSD and 16GB designer ram that you could save lots on by going generic corsair cause heatsinks on ram do nothing but drive the up price and the PSU is good I wouldn't change that cause for $150 the best you can do is a side grade for a modular 750watts PSU gold
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February 13, 2012 3:56:35 AM

azeem40 said:
You told me not to OC since it is my first time and I will fry my motherboard or something lol.


I remember now, you said you would up the voltage to like 1.45 or something and I was like, "NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". :lol: 

Everything work out okay?
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February 13, 2012 3:56:46 AM

Gamer Dude said:
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Total = saves you $30 and the rest of you build would be to subjective to change like the case and SSD and 16GB designer ram that you could save lots on by going generic corsair cause heatsinks on ram do nothing but drive the up price and the PSU is good I wouldn't change that cause for $150 the best you can do is a side grade for a modular 750watts PSU gold

He will be SLIng, so his mobo is better..
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February 13, 2012 3:57:54 AM

PCgamer81 said:
I remember now, you said you would up the voltage to like 1.45 or something and I was like, "NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". :lol: 

Everything work out okay?

Sadly, when I was deciding to build it, I later decided to wait for a bigger budget, and now it is at $1800. I buy next week.
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February 13, 2012 4:15:54 AM

azeem40 said:
Sadly, when I was deciding to build it, I later decided to wait for a bigger budget, and now it is at $1800. I buy next week.

Just wait for 7990 dude than you will be set for perfect 60hz/fps gameplay in ALL games that are out up untill today at leased LOL.
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February 13, 2012 4:55:28 AM

azeem40 said:
He will be SLIng, so his mobo is better..



I'd like to have a MOBO that will be able to CF in the future (though 2 7950s sounds like way too much right now :D )
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February 13, 2012 5:07:29 AM

JordanR44 said:
I'd like to have a MOBO that will be able to CF in the future (though 2 7950s sounds like way too much right now :D )

You would be surprised
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February 13, 2012 6:45:26 AM

Gamer Dude said:
Just wait for 7990 dude than you will be set for perfect 60hz/fps gameplay in ALL games that are out up untill today at leased LOL.


For today's games at 60fps? He can have that with a single 7950, and easy.

In fact, he can have that with a 6xxx series card. And you say wait for the 7990 so that he can... [:badge:3] ... max today's games?

Gamer Dude said:
You would be surprised


He would be surprised, huh?

A single 7950 3GB trades blows with a single GTX580 3GB. http://www.hwcompare.com/11592/geforce-gtx-580-3gb-vs-r...

Factor in AMD CrossfireX scaling, and the 7950X2 with 3GB of V-Ram is gross overkill for 1080p, and will be for a while.

So maybe you would be surprised, seeing as how you don't know what you're talking about.
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February 13, 2012 6:52:21 AM

JordanR44 said:
I'd like to have a MOBO that will be able to CF in the future (though 2 7950s sounds like way too much right now :D )


When you do pick up a motherboard, remember that for 1080p gaming, dual x8s are more than fine. If you do however plan to use Eyefinity or game at 2560X1600, you might want to look into a motherboard that features dual x16s for a two card setup.
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February 13, 2012 10:13:09 AM

Nah, I don't think you'll max x8 at any res.

I don't know about "gross overkill". Is barely 60fps in games like Crysis 2 and Metro overkill? I don't think so. Check Tom's Crysis 2 DX11 review.
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February 13, 2012 11:55:12 AM

For the record, I don't have that large of a budget to wait for the 7990 or to buy it. I max all games at 60fps on high with a 7950 (yes, I am only playing on high, not max).
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February 13, 2012 2:04:33 PM

kajabla said:
Nah, I don't think you'll max x8 at any res.

I don't know about "gross overkill". Is barely 60fps in games like Crysis 2 and Metro overkill? I don't think so. Check Tom's Crysis 2 DX11 review.
A 7950x2 for a 1080p monitor is overkill, big time. I got 45fps in Crysis and BF3 with a single 6970 before I added a second.

"Nah, I don't think you'll max x8 at any res."

Nah, I think you're wrong.

I run two 6970's at dual x8s at can max every game at 1200p with 60fps minimum.

Here's my rig tackling BF3 maxed out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xa5y6KUZO0&feature=chan...
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February 13, 2012 2:09:51 PM

azeem40 said:
For the record, I don't have that large of a budget to wait for the 7990 or to buy it. I max all games at 60fps on high with a 7950 (yes, I am only playing on high, not max).

You could easily max every game on the market in 1080p with the 7950, although you might get slightly less than 60fps in BF3.
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February 13, 2012 4:35:26 PM

PCgamer81 said:
You could easily max every game on the market in 1080p with the 7950, although you might get slightly less than 60fps in BF3.

Well one 7950 will not max out the heavy hitters @ 60fps like Metro 2033, Crysis 2 modded, BF3, Crysis 1, Lost Planet 2, and many more but it will run most games Perfectly just not the heavy hitters those will have to be turned down a notch and played on high spec not Ultra. PS even 7970 dips below 60fps maxed @ 1080P in BF3 and Metro 2033.
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February 13, 2012 4:59:43 PM

7950 is a great card, however, depending of the video editing software you may want to stick with a 570/580 or for the nvidia 6xx series to be released if you can take advantage of CUDA. CUDA would be the only reason to stick with nVida at this time, so if you don't need it, then go with a 7950 or 7970 and enjoy life.

The SSD (while nice) is completely unnecessary, and as $/GB and $/! (where !=Performance) has been droping very stedially I would still wait a while longer and see where the bottom begins to level off. Currently there is high competition, and SSD companies are trying to steal every HDD sale they can, so I think we will see declining SSD prices right on through the summer and fall. When the HDD manufacturers get back down to where they were at $0.04/GB (or less now that we have 4TB and will soon have 6TB HDDS), then I think prices will level off. But right now when you just need a system drive, and a 160GB HDD is $75 and a 120GB SSD is $100 after rebates it really makes you think twice... especially when those same HDDs were only $40 last fall.
Anywho, for video editing you will eat HDD space for breakfast, and you will want space for lunch and dinner, so get a single large HDD to throw everything on, then when SSDs drop in price you can use the HDD as your media drive, and the SSD as the OS/program drive.

Other than that, it looks great, hope you enjoy it!
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February 13, 2012 5:12:05 PM

CaedenV said:
7950 is a great card, however, depending of the video editing software you may want to stick with a 570/580 or for the nvidia 6xx series to be released if you can take advantage of CUDA. CUDA would be the only reason to stick with nVida at this time, so if you don't need it, then go with a 7950 or 7970 and enjoy life.

The SSD (while nice) is completely unnecessary, and as $/GB and $/! (where !=Performance) has been droping very stedially I would still wait a while longer and see where the bottom begins to level off. Currently there is high competition, and SSD companies are trying to steal every HDD sale they can, so I think we will see declining SSD prices right on through the summer and fall. When the HDD manufacturers get back down to where they were at $0.04/GB (or less now that we have 4TB and will soon have 6TB HDDS), then I think prices will level off. But right now when you just need a system drive, and a 160GB HDD is $75 and a 120GB SSD is $100 after rebates it really makes you think twice... especially when those same HDDs were only $40 last fall.
Anywho, for video editing you will eat HDD space for breakfast, and you will want space for lunch and dinner, so get a single large HDD to throw everything on, then when SSDs drop in price you can use the HDD as your media drive, and the SSD as the OS/program drive.

Other than that, it looks great, hope you enjoy it!

Yup that's a perfect analogy of the relationship and state of HDDs and SSDs until SSD have proper pricing on proper drive counts - 250GB, 500GB, 750GB, 1TB there is just no point in getting them as a gamer and or I.T professional when one game eats up 10GB+ and I have 100+ and counting in my Steam collection.
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February 14, 2012 2:56:56 AM

PCgamer81 said:
A 7950x2 for a 1080p monitor is overkill, big time. I got 45fps in Crysis and BF3 with a single 6970 before I added a second.

"Nah, I don't think you'll max x8 at any res."

Nah, I think you're wrong.

I run two 6970's at dual x8s at can max every game at 1200p with 60fps minimum.

Here's my rig tackling BF3 maxed out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xa5y6KUZO0&feature=chan...

No, seriously. Look at the review. Two 580s go down to 43 at times. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-2-directx-11...
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February 14, 2012 3:09:59 AM

I am so officially confused now (between this and the other post in GPUs) about what to buy, i have no idea what to do :D 
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February 14, 2012 12:02:16 PM

kajabla said:
No, seriously. Look at the review. Two 580s go down to 43 at times. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-2-directx-11...


I don't have two 580's, I have two 6970's. The single 580 beats a single 6970, but dual 6970's hold their own pretty well thanks to crossfire scaling.

If you look at those same benchmarks, you see that the 6970x2 does better in some instances, having a higher minimum frame rate.

In BF3, I get consistently over 60fps as you can see by the frame counter ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xa5y6KUZO0&feature=chan...

BF3 is the most demanding game on the market currently, and my rig owns it. A 7950x2 could only do better.

And furthermore, your statement about dual x8 PCI-e slots is WAY off base. There is virtually 0 difference between dual x8s and dual x16s when it comes to single display 1080p gaming. And that is common knowledge.
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February 14, 2012 12:13:37 PM

JordanR44 said:
I am so officially confused now (between this and the other post in GPUs) about what to buy, i have no idea what to do :D 


Dude, don't listen to those guys. They don't know anything. Tom's Hardware is full of people who know absolutely nothing about tech, but they are so full of themselves and want to have some kind of say, that they come on here and give lousy advice. Fortunately, Tom's Hardware is also filled with people who know. So you just have to wade through those who think they know before you can get to those who really do know.

I promise you the 7950 is the way to go. You will be able to max every current game on the market in 1080p, and probably handle most games at max settings (or pretty close) for the next year.

Here is a video of me tackling BF3 with a single 6970 at max settings...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg7i-UY13SI&feature=chan...

Keep in mind that BF3 is currently the most demanding game on the market, or at least the most legitimately demanding (excluding bad ports and such).

More and more developers are developing for consoles, so a $2500 PC is no longer needed to get the most out of games. Believe me...

A single 7950 will suffice today, and adding a second 7950 will suffice tomorrow.

The rig you have picked out is perfect. ;) 
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February 14, 2012 8:00:32 PM

well if that 6970 plays everything at Ult now, than should i just get a 6970 and in a year get another 6970 (when prices have dropped) to keep my PC at ultra?
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February 14, 2012 9:21:44 PM

PCgamer81 said:
And furthermore, your statement about dual x8 PCI-e slots is WAY off base. There is virtually 0 difference between dual x8s and dual x16s when it comes to single display 1080p gaming. And that is common knowledge.

Oh, I see how you saw that. I meant that you won't max out x8's data transfer capabilities at any res, not that you won't be able to max games with x8 at any res. Yes, I agree with you.

I also agree that 7950's the way to go. Yes, two 6970s max everything available today on 1080p, but in a year I'll bet all my money there'll be games that they won't. The better your cards, the longer they'll last, and the easier your upgrade path will be.
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February 14, 2012 9:39:05 PM

I am pretty sure I can get 60fps at HIGH, NOT ultra.
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February 14, 2012 10:03:02 PM

the thing is, i dont really play like BF3 or Metro 2033, i more play games like Tera/SWTOR or Civ V etc

so i dont kno that i will ever really max a 6970
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February 14, 2012 10:06:50 PM

Yeah, those games won't need so much power. I would get the 6950.
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February 14, 2012 10:10:23 PM

kajabla said:
Oh, I see how you saw that. I meant that you won't max out x8's data transfer capabilities at any res, not that you won't be able to max games with x8 at any res. Yes, I agree with you.


I totally misunderstood you on that. That was the reason I doubted you - I thought you meant max games.

I do agree with you about the data transfer capabilities. But I have heard from a couple of people who play games in 5760x1080 using Crossfire/SLi say that they were bottlenecked by the data transfer capabilities of dual x8's and had to upgrade to a motherboard that doesn't use dual x8 PCIe in dual card configurations. I really can't say with any degree of certainty though if that is true. You may very well be right.

I do know that I was wrong about you and I'm sorry.

kajabla said:
Yes, two 6970s max everything available today on 1080p, but in a year I'll bet all my money there'll be games that they won't. The better your cards, the longer they'll last, and the easier your upgrade path will be.


Yes, I can currently max every game on the market in 1080p at 60fps, with BF3 and Crysis Warhead being the hardest (so much for Warhead being less demanding than Crysis, at least for my rig). I can barely get 60fps in those, and sometimes even turn AA down a notch or drop a few of my CCC sliders back to "use application settings" just to be sure.

I have it figured that I will be able to max most games for the next year, and play them all at high visual settings (though not all maxed). I figure in two years I will be able to play most games at good visual quality, but some games have to play on medium. I figure in 3 years there will be games I will have to play on low, but still be able to play everything on the market.

I will probably upgrade in about 18 months or so.
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February 14, 2012 10:53:57 PM

The OP's build is at issue here, not yours :D 
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February 15, 2012 4:26:33 AM

kajabla said:
The OP's build is at issue here, not yours :D 


Well, the above is also a good reason why he should go with the 7950. I have AMD's best single card 6xxx series GPU x 2, and I am future proofed for what, 18 months?

No, I think he should go with a 7950 and in about a year crossfire him another. ;) 
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February 21, 2012 10:56:54 PM

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February 22, 2012 10:23:35 AM

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