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February 13, 2012 7:01:48 PM

I primarily play MMOs. For this most part this has meant WoW (which isn't especially taxing on the PC.. I know). However, I plan to play Guild Wars 2/FFXIV 2.0 - also getting Diablo III - and would like a PC that's going to run them exceptionally well. Nonetheless, I do go for other genres like FPS (COD MW 3). I'de like the PC to be able to handle most games at max (or high) settings with high FPS (on a high resolution).

I don't do any video editing/rendering or anything of the like. Standard stuff aside from gaming.

Would like to keep it under $2000. Current I'm fairly content with this build and its at $1593 (1533 with some discount code I think).

Likely going to overclock the CPU (as I know this GPU is overkill for WoW - don't want the CPU to bottleneck it).

Otherwise, how does this build look?

Case: * Azza Hurrican 2000 Full Tower Gaming Case with 4 Hot Swappable HDD Cage & (4) 230MM Fans

CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-2500K 3.30 GHz 6M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 (All Venom OC Certified)

Cooling Fan: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo Gaming Cooling Fan

Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance)

Motherboard: [CrossFireX/SLI] Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3 Intel Z68 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ BT GO! Lucid Virtu and Intel SRT & 7.1 HD Audio, Intel GbLAN, USB3.0, 2x SATA-III RAID, 2x Gen3 & 1x Gen2 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI (All Venom OC Certified)

Video Card: AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card (Major Brand Powered by AMD)

Power Supply: 1,000 Watts - CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gaming 80 Plus Power Supply (incase I want dual GPU later or something)

Hard Drive: 120 GB Intel 320 Series SATA-II 3.0Gb/s SSD - 270 MB/s Read & 130MB/s Write
- will add a data drive at a later time.

I'm going to get this from CyberPower but I am wondering - is it really that much cheaper the get all the parts individually and build it myself? The current price for this is coming out to $1533 plus shipping. How much would I be looking at if I built myself?

I don't have experience building. I can add/remove RAM/Hard drives/GPU but never built a PC - afraid I'm going to screw it up somehow. Also, if I do build, where is a good place I can even get all these parts?

Also, any input on these choice of parts is greatly appreciated. :) 

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February 13, 2012 7:14:35 PM

With $2000 you should be able to easily fit a 7970 in there somewhere instead of the 7950.

PSU - Not a good pick, imo.

If you want to use 2x high end video cards and you want to have a 1000w PSU, then it should probably be an Enermax/LEPA PSU as they are the highest quality in the 1000w space. I don't trust any other PSU brand that is 1000+w.

If you are going to have 1 OCd video card or 2 non OCd video cards (even 7970s) then an XFX 850w is fine. The XFX 850w should even be fine with a moderate OC on 2x 7970s.

SSD - Intel isn't most people's favorite SSD brand, both Crucial and Samsung usually are.

Newegg is the place people here go for parts because of their price and service. You can just look up every part on there and add it up.

Better to decide 100% what you want first, though, so the effort doesn't have to be reproduced over and over again.

It isn't rocket science to build a PC, and Cyberpower usually charges quite large margins in order to cover if they have to make good on warrantly claims.
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February 13, 2012 7:49:39 PM

At $2k, I'd want a better case and cooler. This rig below w/ twin cards in SLI will give ya 28% more fps than one with a 7950. The 7950 and 7970 to my mind are in the same boat as the 570 and 580......just not enough bang for the buck. Twin 560's give ya 862 fps and twin 580's give ya just 10% more .... for 2.5 times the price.....once the 79xx series issues gets resolved in CF, I doubt we are going to see anything much better.

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 205.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.41 - $ 0.48
$ 340.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.65 - $ 0.78
$ 500.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.81 - $ 1.05
$ 450.00 7950 (603/NG*) $ 0.75 - ERR
$ 550.00 7970 (675/NG*) $ 0.81 - ERR

* Could not complete several games in test suite in CF, expected to be resolved with driver updates in coming months.

At 75 to 81 cents per frame, l just can't make a case for the 580, 7950 and 7970. Not when twin 560's give me 27 - 43% more fps for 48 cents per frame.

This comes in at $1,578

Case - $ 105 - Corsair 500R Black http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $ 127 - Corsair HX850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $ 205 - ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $ 230 - Intel Core i7-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $ 43 - Hyper 612 PWM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $ 5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $ 50 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 (White) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $ 230 - Asus GTX 560 900Mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $ 230 - Asus GTX 560 900Mhz Same
HD - $ 125 - Seagate Barracuda1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $ 170 - Patriot Wildfire 120 GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $ 58 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor $ 290 ASUS VG236HE Black 23" 120 Hz Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $ 100 - Logitech G510 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $ 62 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 13, 2012 8:53:09 PM

I would rather the OP just uses a large single card. Lower cost of ownership, fewer restrictions on choices, less heat, smoother frame delivery, and all that.
February 13, 2012 9:52:37 PM

Yes - I would prefer a large single card, for the reasons Raiddinn mentioned above. Can always choose to get a second of the same card later.

I'm not sure why you chose i7 in that build - no games use hyperthreading which is the only real advantage i7 has. So going with i7 is like spending an extra $100 for nothing. There might be a slight bump in performance but it doesn't really matter given you can just overclock the i5 2500k anyway.

That build you posted otherwise is interesting and I'm going to take a more thorough look at it now. I should note that I don't need a monitor, mouse, or keyboard so that shaves the price of your build down to $1126. The price of the build I posted above was $1533 also WITHOUT those three things. Yours also has better parts in it so I'm really surprised how cheap it came out to. Guess I'm starting to see the benefits of build-it-yourself.
February 13, 2012 10:32:55 PM

Hmm.. not quite sure what happened. It turns out ordering all (or nearly all) of the same parts (for my first build above) from Newegg actually UPPED the total cost compared to cyberpower. All I did was change the PSU and the SSD

Azza case: 144.99
Intel Core i5 2500k 229.99
AMD 7950 479.99
Crucial 128gb SSD 174.99
CM Hyper 212 Evo 34.99
ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN 3 179.99
Corsair Ven. 2x4GBRAM 44.99
LG Blu Ray drive 59.99
Corsair 850W PSU 172.99
Windows 7 HP 64 Bit OS 99.99
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Total Cost $1622.9 Cyberpower Cost: $1533

Unless I'm doing something wrong here, the cost for the same parts (almost) individual is a fair bit more than just getting them from cyberpower. What's going on here? I also even selected the lower W power supply unit from the Newegg list.

Here's the link to my CyberPower build: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1DXTT4

The 1533 comes from using the "spring1410" code for a 5% discount at checkout. Also - supposedly if you buy this same on Valentines day from them it's an additional 10% off that STACKS with that other 5%.

EDIT** the Valentines 10% off is actually already in effect. So current the system can be brought down 15% when it's at 1533. Still though, thought building it myself would save a larger margin than that, even.
February 14, 2012 12:57:51 AM

Building a computer yourself isn't a great way to save money. Not sure where that idea comes from.

Building it yourself is mostly a good way to ensure you don't have to pay for a lot of generic stuff you will end up replacing anyway like PSUs.

A lot of websites have a worse parts selection or have bought 100,000 of the same part and they want to sell that to everybody they can even if its not ideal for them.

You have more control of all the stuff going into your computer when you do it yourself. If you can manage to save a little bit of money in the process, that is nice too.

Many times, it is the OS that kills the individual parts builder. Many OEMs get Windows licenses for $30 whereas legal OSs for individual parts builders are more like $180.

The OEM system builder licenses that most individual parts builders want to use because they are cheap aren't even actually legal for that purpose. So you pay 3x what they pay and you don't even get a legal OS out of the deal. You pay more like 5x or 6x and you get a legal one. That $150 difference helps them to be price competitive with people building from individual parts.

There are student deals and upgrade deals that get cheaper OSs, but if you don't qualify for those, it sucks to have to pay full retail to have a legal license.
April 21, 2012 12:42:04 AM

Or you could simply do what most PC builder does and use something called a Torrent. Sadly build it yourself usually do that instead of spending a lot on a OS.
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