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First budget gaming build Amd fx 4100,will it run all games on high?

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February 14, 2012 6:47:47 PM

Hey guys, i just wanted to know if this build I'm about to do in 2 weeks will be good enough for gaming. My budget is $ 770 and i want to play games on my 48 inch HDTV.I'm getting a AMD FX 4100 with a Radeon HD 6850, NO overclocking will be done on this build or two GPUs.I'm getting the FX 4100 because it's cheap and fast and later this year i want to upgrade to the new fixed versions of the AMD Bulldozer CPU's AMD will release later this year.

So, will this build I'm about to get be good enough to get 30 to 60 fps on games(Crysis 2 Battlefield 3 Arma 2 ect.) with high/ultra settings for at least a year until AMD releases the fixed Dozers ?

Here are the components:

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
February 14, 2012 6:57:25 PM

How much money do you plan to spend, and in what's your monitor's resolution?
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February 14, 2012 7:02:50 PM

Are you aware that AMD has announced that they will no longer compete with Intel for desktop business?
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February 14, 2012 7:03:55 PM

michxymi said:
How much money do you plan to spend, and in what's your monitor's resolution?


My budget is $ 770 and my monitor's resolution is 1600 by 900.
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February 14, 2012 7:20:45 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Get this over the FX-4100 - I wouldn't recommend the FX right now because of all the installation issues and Windows issues, things of that nature : http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Read this - it goes into a lot of details about the inner workings of FX and all the problems it's been having: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-hotfix-bu...



Wow,so the Amd Fx chips don't work/install right with windows 7 ? I'm about to read that article now,thanks.
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February 14, 2012 8:02:59 PM

They say Windows 8 will fix the problems AMD are having, my games should still have playable good fps on Windows 7 with a tiny boost from the two Windows 7 hotfixes maybe, until the window 8 upgrade ?
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February 14, 2012 8:15:06 PM

Also, if you look at this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

It shows that even the Pentium G860 outperforms the FX4100 AND FX6100. Therefore, I recommend spending the extra $15 and getting the core i3 2120, which outperforms EVERY AMD CPU under $200 in games, which you'll also see in that article. Currently, AMD just isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world.
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February 14, 2012 9:18:32 PM

amd guy101 said:
They say Windows 8 will fix the problems AMD are having, my games should still have playable good fps on Windows 7 with a tiny boost from the two Windows 7 hotfixes maybe, until the window 8 upgrade ?


I'm really hoping Windows 8 will include things to make AMD CPUs work better but I'm doubting it. To me so far Windows 8 is looking like Vista with a cell phone interface. That's bad.
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February 14, 2012 9:20:32 PM

:/  yeah.
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February 14, 2012 9:23:27 PM

termhn said:
:/ yeah.


I know. Last thing we need is more devices to post our Facebook status, play Angry Birds and Cut The Rope on, right? :lol: 
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February 14, 2012 9:41:04 PM

ram1009 said:
Are you aware that AMD has announced that they will no longer compete with Intel for desktop business?

High end desktop they will not try and compete anymore they are still in tho.
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February 14, 2012 9:42:13 PM

OP I ran the fx 4100 for a bit and it ran the games just fine but I upgraded to fx-8150 just to have the best.
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February 14, 2012 9:56:27 PM

Windows doesnt handle threads in a way that optimises bulldozers power management . All that happens is that in some cases bd wont clock itself up when its only running a couple of threads .

There is no reason to avoid BD . The FX 4100 is great value as a gaming cpu .
And while you might not OC it now you can do that later if you wish
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February 14, 2012 10:03:34 PM

termhn said:
Also, if you look at this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

It shows that even the Pentium G860 outperforms the FX4100 AND FX6100. Therefore, I recommend spending the extra $15 and getting the core i3 2120, which outperforms EVERY AMD CPU under $200 in games, which you'll also see in that article. Currently, AMD just isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world.



Thanks, i might have to do that.I really,really want the core i5 but that would put me way over budget.And the AMD quad fx is perfect money wise for me, if only AMD didn't have this problem with the FX CPUs everything would be perfect :cry: 
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February 14, 2012 10:06:30 PM

amd guy101 said:
Thanks, i might have to do that.I really,really want the core i5 but that would put me way over budget.And the AMD quad fx is perfect money wise for me, if only AMD didn't have this problem with the FX CPUs everything would be perfect :cry: 


You could always go with the X4-960T if you want to stick with AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 14, 2012 10:07:01 PM

amd guy101 said:
Thanks, i might have to do that.I really,really want the core i5 but that would put me way over budget.And the AMD quad fx is perfect money wise for me, if only AMD didn't have this problem with the FX CPUs everything would be perfect :cry: 

FX4100 is a good budget CPU mate I own one.
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February 14, 2012 10:07:37 PM

fistoffoo said:
OP I ran the fx 4100 for a bit and it ran the games just fine but I upgraded to fx-8150 just to have the best.



Awesome ! What kind of GPU did you have with the FX 4100 ? And were you able to play games on high/ultra without any probs ?
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February 14, 2012 10:12:00 PM

amd guy101 said:
Awesome ! What kind of GPU did you have with the FX 4100 ? And were you able to play games on high/ultra without any probs ?

I ran the fx 4100 with a 7970 just to try it out and it ran BF3 maxed, Skyrim maxed, Batman Maxed, Metro Maxed, Crysis maxed and more
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February 14, 2012 10:14:52 PM

fistoffoo said:
I ran the fx 4100 with a 7970 just to try it out and it ran BF3 maxed, Skyrim maxed, Batman Maxed, Metro Maxed, Crysis maxed and more

of course, all those games are more GPU intensive than CPU intensive, an intensive MMO might struggle more.
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February 14, 2012 10:29:16 PM

Outlander_04 said:
Windows doesnt handle threads in a way that optimises bulldozers power management . All that happens is that in some cases bd wont clock itself up when its only running a couple of threads .

There is no reason to avoid BD . The FX 4100 is great value as a gaming cpu .
And while you might not OC it now you can do that later if you wish


Thanks,yeah it might be to good of a value to pass up,plus they did say these work slightly better if you OC.Hmmm,this is gonna be a tough decision.I wish i had the option to save a extra $ 100 or 200 but i don't.
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February 14, 2012 10:31:41 PM

amd guy101 said:
Thanks,yeah it might be to good of a value to pass up,plus they did say these work slightly better if you OC.


Even if some of intels budget chips are fractionally faster than an FX 4100 they wont be once you OC the FX 4100 .
Remember the intel i3's cant be overclocked

The FX 4100 is a budget king IMO . If you build for it now you also get the upgrade path of the next generation of piledriver cpu's
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February 14, 2012 10:33:16 PM

Outlander_04 said:
Even if some of intels budget chips are fractionally faster than an FX 4100 they wont be once you OC the FX 4100 .
Remember the intel i3's cant be overclocked

The FX 4100 is a budget king IMO . If you build for it now you also get the upgrade path of the next generation of piledriver cpu's

+1^
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February 14, 2012 10:52:54 PM

Ok I'm sold, i think i will go with the FX 4100.I'm glad i have 2 weeks to make the decision,hopefully the Radeon HD 6850 will hold me down till i can afford a Radeon 7 series.Thanks for all the help guys!
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February 14, 2012 10:53:41 PM

^ +10
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February 14, 2012 10:55:48 PM

6850 won't run high/ultra on BF3 in multiplayer, you need something like a GTX 560ti.
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February 14, 2012 11:01:17 PM

somekidxd said:
6850 won't run high/ultra on BF3 in multiplayer, you need something like a GTX 560ti.

Nothing will run BF3 perfectly on Ultra even high.
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February 14, 2012 11:10:18 PM

somekidxd said:
6850 won't run high/ultra on BF3 in multiplayer, you need something like a GTX 560ti.


fistoffoo said:
Nothing will run BF3 perfectly on Ultra even high.


Well I'm not trying to go ultra or super high settings on every game but i do want to run at a good high setting with good fps, no meduim or low.Can the Radeon 6850 do that cause that's all I'm really looking for at the moment ? Or do i need a 6950 ? I'm trying to go with a Radeon.
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February 14, 2012 11:16:46 PM

I meant to +10 that, so ^ +10
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February 14, 2012 11:29:25 PM

amd guy101 said:
Well I'm not trying to go ultra or super high settings on every game but i do want to run at a good high setting with good fps, no meduim or low.Can the Radeon 6850 do that cause that's all I'm really looking for at the moment ? Or do i need a 6950 ? I'm trying to go with a Radeon.

6850 overclocks like a Boss from what I have seen and in some games it achieves GTX 570 performance when OCed on the Msi Cyclone model.
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February 14, 2012 11:40:45 PM

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FX-4100 will be your downfall...
965BE - 980BE is worth the extra coin..



I hope not but i will keep all options on the table until i put this together but the FX just doesn't seem that bad for what I'm gonna be doing with it and how long i will have it.I wish i would have just got the 965BE last year.
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February 14, 2012 11:45:54 PM

fistoffoo said:
6850 overclocks like a Boss from what I have seen and in some games it achieves GTX 570 performance when OCed on the Msi Cyclone model.


Nice, will take a look at the Msi one.
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February 14, 2012 11:52:24 PM

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AMD's hopes rest within Piledriver.
May you pray hard..

and the HD 6850 doesn't not match the GTX 570 when clocked.
more of the GTX 560 Ti level.

I seen this one Msi Cyclone I was looking at as an upgrade from my 4890HD. Its a good card for playing Crysis on http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_r6850_cyclo...
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February 14, 2012 11:53:53 PM

termhn said:
Also, if you look at this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

It shows that even the Pentium G860 outperforms the FX4100 AND FX6100. Therefore, I recommend spending the extra $15 and getting the core i3 2120, which outperforms EVERY AMD CPU under $200 in games, which you'll also see in that article. Currently, AMD just isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world.



AMD isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world. Then why am I getting between 70 and 120 in ultra on BF3? Why do I average 100+ in Dirt3 and Crysis 2 plays like the old Cysis on my machine. If you put my machine up against whatever intel machine it will feel the same exact unless you do your stupid benchmarks...

Stop comparing Hyundai With BMW and start comparing Cadillac with BMW... IF this guy can grab a X4 970 with a 6950, he will be averaging almost 40fps in every game... Pretty good for AMD
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February 14, 2012 11:55:09 PM

fistoffoo said:
Nothing will run BF3 perfectly on Ultra even high.



I average I think 82ish on Ultra Between 70ish and 120ish...
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February 14, 2012 11:58:11 PM

zloginet said:
I average I think 82ish on Ultra Between 70ish and 120ish...

I have BD and I am happy with it.
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February 15, 2012 12:01:44 AM

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you'd be happier without it... :p 

Who are you to say what is good for me have you owned BD 8150 you sound like a subjective salesmen starving for a commission.
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February 15, 2012 12:13:12 AM

fistoffoo said:
I have BD and I am happy with it.



Curious why you quoted me?
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February 15, 2012 12:15:24 AM

Cause I to am happy with BD I love it !
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February 15, 2012 12:25:14 AM

amd guy101 said:
I hope not but i will keep all options on the table until i put this together but the FX just doesn't seem that bad for what I'm gonna be doing with it and how long i will have it.I wish i would have just got the 965BE last year.



You really have to learn to spot and ignore the fanboys, they won't even acknowledge the other side's accomplishments, kinda like Apple zealots.

I can't really recommend the FX line of CPU's though, their performance is sketchy most of the time. In games it doesn't matter much, you really have to monkey with the settings to make them unplayable. Otherwise for the money their not really the best in most cases.

You'll still be able to play all your games on the fx4100, although I'd recommend going with the 6100 if possible. Get a 965 or 970BE if their available, you'd get better overall performance but your on a limited budget.
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February 15, 2012 12:31:08 AM

Apple zealots he says LOL
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February 15, 2012 12:31:21 AM

palladin9479 said:
You really have to learn to spot and ignore the fanboys, they won't even acknowledge the other side's accomplishments, kinda like Apple zealots.

I can't really recommend the FX line of CPU's though, their performance is sketchy most of the time. In games it doesn't matter much, you really have to money with the settings to make them unplayable. Otherwise for the money their not really the best in most cases.

You'll still be able to play all your games on the fx4100, although I'd recommend going with the 6100 if possible. Get a 965 or 970BE if their available, you'd get better overall performance but your on a limited budget.


I totally agree with you... Stay away from the FX line... hit up the Phenom II 970, 1000t be series, or find a way to go with intel...
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February 15, 2012 12:48:27 AM

amd guy101 said:
Awesome ! What kind of GPU did you have with the FX 4100 ? And were you able to play games on high/ultra without any probs ?



I just did a build with the FX 4100, 8GB of AMD Branded Patriot Memory, and a 6850 GPU running on a cheap Gigabyte 740 board. I have it oc'd to 4.2 on stock air and am running Win7 Pro. Have had NO problems. Skyrim, MW3, Witcher 2 all run great and the build was dirt cheap.
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February 15, 2012 1:09:21 AM

drevas said:
I just did a build with the FX 4100, 8GB of AMD Branded Patriot Memory, and a 6850 GPU running on a cheap Gigabyte 740 board. I have it oc'd to 4.2 on stock air and am running Win7 Pro. Have had NO problems. Skyrim, MW3, Witcher 2 all run great and the build was dirt cheap.



Nothing wrong with that at all... Good build... Just curious your res and settings on those games.... Skyrim I see the only problem as it is very cpu bound... The others anything can run...
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February 15, 2012 1:24:07 AM

Actually Skyrim plays much better now after patch 1.4 and Metro play like crap on all rigs.
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February 15, 2012 2:06:13 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2

Would you look at that, at standard clock speed, the high pentium beat out the 8150... Not a fanboy, I'm just going by the bench. I agree, though, it's not like you can tell very much the difference between 45 and 60 fps unless you're an avid gamer and played both for a while.
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