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February 16, 2012 7:15:18 PM

I am getting creamed in the 64 player maps. From what I have read, my cpu is likely the problem. I want to upgrade the cpu only if that will get the job done but I am open to ideas, and could spend 1000-1200 if it would make a substantial difference.

I am running a phenom 2 x2 560 be only two cores unlocked no oc. stock cooler


asus M5A87 Socket AM3+ 870 ATX AMD Motherboard

Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W Modular Power Supply

Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) CL9

Hitachi 7K1000.C 500GB HDS721050CLA362 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -OEM

HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 Video Card


Thanks for your help,

Tom


Approximate Purchase Date: Tomorrow

Budget Range: (1000-1200) Before / After Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (battlefield 3)

Parts Not Required:

Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W Modular Power Supply

Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) CL9

Hitachi 7K1000.C 500GB HDS721050CLA362 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -OEM


Preferred Website(s) Microcenter (it is local to me)

Country: USA

Parts Preferences: none

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: lcd tv 1920x1080

Additional Comments: open to a new case but i have a mid tower aluminum, can't remember the name

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February 16, 2012 7:29:48 PM

Hi! Welcome to the forums.
I'd be happy to help you create a new PC. however, I don't know that it's the CPU causing the problems. What is your GPU/monitor res?
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February 16, 2012 7:40:41 PM

Opps i knew I forgot something. HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 Video Card
running on visio lcd tv 1920x1080
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February 16, 2012 10:51:27 PM

Hmm, I can't imagine the bottleneck is HUGE I mean, the GPU would be bottlenecking more so. What issues are you having? Are they all framerate related?
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February 16, 2012 10:55:48 PM

Id also ask what settings/res do you game at? if its 1080 and above its your card thats crushing you. The CPU cannot be ruled out but the 6870 isn't meant to run BF3 at 1080 on med/high settings and that would be your issue.
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February 16, 2012 10:59:36 PM

I'd recommend getting a i5 2500k and ASRock Mobo .... that will cost you 325-400 and a new 7970 will run BF3 at ultra settings at 1080 from 50-80 fps. Keep the rest of your compenents or do a swap out for 900-1000.
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February 16, 2012 11:06:22 PM

envymert said:
Id also ask what settings/res do you game at? if its 1080 and above its your card thats crushing you. The CPU cannot be ruled out but the 6870 isn't meant to run BF3 at 1080 on med/high settings and that would be your issue.

The 6870 should be chugging along fine at med/high with no AA.
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Y/N/313583/original/amd%20...
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February 16, 2012 11:11:57 PM

What monitor are you getting/using?
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February 17, 2012 12:27:15 AM

I'm running at the default high settings. No as or mass or whatever that setting is. If the found is the bottleneck, will a new video card fix it. It plays fine up to 32 players, but I get lag when I play on 64 player games
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February 17, 2012 1:07:38 AM

Hmm. What do you mean by lag? Do you mean connection lag, or a low framerate?
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February 17, 2012 1:18:54 AM

Sorry about the last response, that was by phone. I am saying that I come around the corner, I see you , you see me and I loose that fight every time in 64 player maps. 32 player maps it goes 60/40 or so. The more that is going on in the area I am the more I people get the drop on me. I have read some reviews that say that 4 core is the minimum for 64 player maps and the hex cores are even better. I don't notice the game slowing down or anything but I feel as though people are really seeing me a frame or two before I see them, so they get on the trigger a hair faster than I do. As far as the 6870 playing the game I saw the same review you mentioned and it seems like a decent card to me. Microcenter does not sell the 6970 or the newer 7000 series but they do have the 560ti some version of the 570 and the 580. Let me know if any of those are serious upgrades to what I am running. I am going to play a few rounds tonight, I'll throw fraps on and see what I get and report back.

Thanks,
Tom
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February 17, 2012 1:25:47 AM

That sounds like internet lag.
If they are seeing you before you see them, it's a connection issue, not hardware issue.
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February 17, 2012 1:29:05 AM

hmmm how to I figure that out. My ping is not visible in game, but I see it on the server list as 39 or so. I have 40mb internet.
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February 17, 2012 3:50:27 AM

ok according to the performance display in bf3 on 32 player maps frames average high 40's. Low 38 high 78. Cpu 52.4 gpu 55.58 max. In 64 player games averages low 30's for frames low 24 which was red whatever that means and high of 68. cpu max was 78 and the gpu was 67.

That is with everything high except:

AA defered = off
motion blur = on
Anisotropic filter 16x
Ambient occlusion = HBAO
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February 17, 2012 4:06:04 AM

The HD 6870 should run BF3 just fine, maybe not maxed out but should satisfy with ample eyecandy. I believe if you upgraded to a newer quad+ CPU you will see your performance improve greatly. I was running a Phenom II 945 @3.4GHz and was having suttering issues with BF3. After I upgraded to a FX-8120 @4.2GHz I get crazy FPS more than enough to run on custom ultra setting (only 4xAA) with my HD 6870 in crossfire.

You could buy a new processor and HD 6870 and still be well under $1000.00. However take my recommendations as just a suggestion because you're about to be inundated with several posts telling how terrible the FX series processors are and how you need a brand new Intel system with a core i5 lol. Good luck.
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February 17, 2012 5:03:41 PM

Hmm. It could be the CPU. It might be worth it to upgrade it anyway.

Tell you what. Going with a Sandy Bridge CPU would obviously be the best bet. However if you just need a quad core to boost your performance, I'd recommend this chip right here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Superior performance to the FX-4100 as well as higher efficiency. Add a second 6870 and you should be rocking and rolling!
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February 21, 2012 7:10:10 PM

You need to pick yourself up an i5 2500k and toss that phenom and 6870 in the trash and get yourself a couple of 580's or 6970's or a single 7970 3GB. You can forget about 60fps in BF3, at least with any degree of high visual quality, unless you have at least that.

Oh and while you're at it, and you better pick yourself up a good 80+ 900w PSU with plenty of amperage per v rail.

Here is how my rig tackles BF3 1080p/max settings...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xa5y6KUZO0&feature=chan...

I get anywhere from 60 to 80fps with fraps (frame counter in top left), and anywhere from 80-100 without.

Good luck.
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February 21, 2012 8:18:32 PM

PCgamer81 said:
You need to pick yourself up an i5 2500k and toss that phenom and 6870 in the trash and get yourself a couple of 580's or 6970's or a single 7970 3GB. You can forget about 60fps in BF3, at least with any degree of high visual quality, unless you have at least that.

Oh and while you're at it, and you better pick yourself up a good 80+ 900w PSU with plenty of amperage per v rail.

Here is how my rig tackles BF3 1080p/max settings...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xa5y6KUZO0&feature=chan...

I get anywhere from 60 to 80fps with fraps (frame counter in top left), and anywhere from 80-100 without.

Good luck.


Yeah it is a tough game to run online with everything maxed out. I got a i5 2500k and a gtx 580 SC and average about 55-60fps. Lowest ive seen is 47 and im not sure about the highs since i got it locked to 60fps but that is all multiplayer. Single player i just chug along at 60fps even.

OP should definitely grab a i5 2500k for his cpu to start. I would say you atleast need a 570 to get a smooth experience if BF3 is one of your main priorities in a build. It really is an amazing game to run if you got the components to not have to sacrifice on any eye candy.
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February 23, 2012 5:00:22 PM

neal0790 said:
Yeah it is a tough game to run online with everything maxed out. I got a i5 2500k and a gtx 580 SC and average about 55-60fps. Lowest ive seen is 47 and im not sure about the highs since i got it locked to 60fps but that is all multiplayer. Single player i just chug along at 60fps even.

OP should definitely grab a i5 2500k for his cpu to start. I would say you atleast need a 570 to get a smooth experience if BF3 is one of your main priorities in a build. It really is an amazing game to run if you got the components to not have to sacrifice on any eye candy.


The 580 SC is an amazing card I would think you could handle 60fps even in MP.

I have noticed in 64 player matches with things flying everywhere things can get pretty hectic, but believe it or not, having a strong internet connection really has a lot to do with it as well.
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February 23, 2012 5:12:33 PM

PCgamer81 said:
The 580 SC is an amazing card I would think you could handle 60fps even in MP.

I have noticed in 64 player matches with things flying everywhere things can get pretty hectic, but believe it or not, having a strong internet connection really has a lot to do with it as well.


Yea i got no issues with framerates, the only time it drops lower is if im shooting out the side of a helicopter on a 64 player map. But thats just because all the action on the map is presented right infront of me. I only play 64 player maps and dont sacrifice on anything with graphics so i push the game to the max and the 580 SC shoves right back. I couldnt be happier with the card. I dont have my i5 overclocked at all so i could easily maintain 60 if i did. Bf3 and Crysis 2 with all the eye candy packs are the only game that really pushes the card. That and saints row 3, but i dont think that game is optimized well to be honest with you, i maintain 60 but it uses a good amount of juice to do it..lol. Once the card drops to under 300 i will sli 2 together but theres honestly no reason to now.
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February 24, 2012 12:30:43 AM

neal0790 said:
Yea i got no issues with framerates, the only time it drops lower is if im shooting out the side of a helicopter on a 64 player map. But thats just because all the action on the map is presented right infront of me. I only play 64 player maps and dont sacrifice on anything with graphics so i push the game to the max and the 580 SC shoves right back. I couldnt be happier with the card. I dont have my i5 overclocked at all so i could easily maintain 60 if i did. Bf3 and Crysis 2 with all the eye candy packs are the only game that really pushes the card. That and saints row 3, but i dont think that game is optimized well to be honest with you, i maintain 60 but it uses a good amount of juice to do it..lol. Once the card drops to under 300 i will sli 2 together but theres honestly no reason to now.


Sounds like a good plan.

I have my 2500k clocked at 4.2GHz and could probably push it to 4.5GHz with the Hyper 212+, but like you there isn't a real reason for me to do that at this point.

I also have Crysis 2 jacked up pretty high on my system. I have the DX11 and High-Res Texture patches installed, and I am also running it with the Maldor's HD Texture Pack and Blackfire Mod. It is breathtaking. For Crysis 2 my framerate stays locked at 50 because of a weird crossfire/sli bug that is yet to be fixed, so I have no real way of knowing if I could get my framerate to my refresh rate (75Hz). If I had to bet money on it, I would say that I could NOT.
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February 26, 2012 12:12:11 PM

Ok first of all thanks for all the replies. I ended up building a new computer just for this game.

303198 Hyper 212 Plus Universal CPU Cooler 1 $29.99 $29.99
375881 Professional HX650W 650W Modular Power Supply 1 $139.99 $139.99
069724 7K1000.C 500GB HDS721050CLA362 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -OEM 1 $89.99 $89.99
200121 Core i5 2500K LGA 1155 Boxed Processor 1 $179.99 $179.99
403980 Vengeance Series 8GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) CL9 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit (Two 4GB Memory Modules) 1 $59.99 $59.99
469619 Obsidian Series 650D Mid Tower ATX Computer Case 1 $179.99 $179.99
041566 P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 LGA 1155 Z68 ATX Intel Motherboard 1 $209.99 $209.99
243246 22X DVD±RW Burner with Dual Layer Support - OEM 1 $15.99 $15.99
257105 GV-R795WF3-3GD AMD Radeon HD 7950 3072MB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card 1 $539.99 $539.99
Subtotal »
$1,445.91

I am running the game on the default "ultra" settings, getting no less than 80 fps on the 720p tv and 60 fps on the 1080p tv. I used the boards one touch overclock and the cooler keeps the max temp to a max of 47c. I used to stock cooler first, and saw as high as 69c.

Tom
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February 26, 2012 9:18:51 PM

Not bad.

You should just about be able to max BF3 in 1080p with that build.

But to be honest, you didn't leave yourself much room in the future with that PSU, but it is still a nice build.

Also, you left out your OS.

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February 27, 2012 12:40:04 AM

Win 7 ultimate. The power supply in the old one is 750w. I kept that one running in my sons room.
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