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December 20, 2011 1:50:14 PM

So i want a good graphic card around the price of the following, even if it is one of the following, i guess what im asking is which graphic card would be better, for hardcore ultra playing games for how much its worth!

CF 6970 or sli 570 or CF 6950 or 3x6950

Also how would you change this computer to make it better "It's not made yet, ordering the pieces some time this week"



Processor: Intel Core i7 2600k

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler

Video Card: CF 6970 or sli 570 or CF 6950 or 3x6950

Power Supply: Silencer Mk II 950W or any 1000 watts for dual cards.

Motherboard: ASUS Z68 Extreme7 Gen3

Operating System: Win 7 Home Premium

Desktop Memory: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMP16GX3M4A1333C9 (OVERCLOCK TO) 1600 mghz

Hard Drives: Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F120GB3A-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Secondary would be a Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

Optical Drive: LITE-ON Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDP118-08
(Or any other)

Case: Cooler Master HAF X ATX Full Tower

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December 20, 2011 1:54:06 PM

Nothing wrong with that system.

That's one of the best I've seen.

Wait until January the ninth when Radeon release the new range, they will be super powerful.

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December 20, 2011 1:59:38 PM

fuggles said:
Nothing wrong with that system.

That's one of the best I've seen.

Wait until January the ninth when Radeon release the new range, they will be super powerful.


ya but, itll be like 600$ for one, and i doubt one of them will be better than sli or CF
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December 20, 2011 2:02:22 PM

probably CF has a lot of microstuttering they have good performance but when you set AA/AF o max then your games should be running a little laggy as a result you can't get a real experience so gtx 570 sli can make it good.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:03:47 PM

That's true, the HD 7970 is stronger and faster than HD 6970 and coming in Jan, Actually it's been reported that AMD is shipping it nowadays to arrive early in Jan.
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The Radeon HD 7970 shows a nice improvement in tessellation performance over previous generation Radeon HD 6970. The overall performance increase is roughly 1.5 times faster in the tests conducted by AMD.

So i guess 2 HD 6970s would match the performance of a single HD 7970, better wait for the new card and see benches then decide which one to take into account.
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December 20, 2011 2:05:35 PM

sure , 570 sli will max everything

both options are great

3x6950 , not sure about this, still will get perfect performance though

I would say go NVIDIA, just because their drivers are better.


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December 20, 2011 2:06:45 PM

xtreme5 said:
probably CF has a lot of microstuttering they have good performance but when you set AA/AF o max then your games should be running a little laggy as a result you can't get a real experience so gtx 570 sli can make it good.


So gtx 570 sli is the better choice? Would it be able to run swtor, bf3, crysis 2, and mw3, maybe even WoW, if i go back, on ultra?
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December 20, 2011 2:11:14 PM

Who said GTX 570s in SLI are a better choice ? a single HD 6970 is stronger and perform faster than a single GTX 570 in most cases.

And the Scaling of HD 6K series is better than the scaling of GTX 5K series, 2 HD 6950s matches the perfromance of 2 GTX 570s in SLI, 2 HD 6970s in CF are beating GTX 570s in SLI.
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December 20, 2011 2:11:14 PM

fuggles said:
sure , 570 sli will max everything

both options are great

3x6950 , not sure about this, still will get perfect performance though

I would say go NVIDIA, just because their drivers are better.


Do you know which of the 570's brand is worth the money?
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December 20, 2011 2:12:59 PM

ilysaml said:
Who said GTX 570s in SLI are a better choice ? a single HD 6970 is stronger and perform faster than a single GTX 570 in most cases.
http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/J/316819/original/Avg.png
And the Scaling of HD 6K series is better than the scaling of GTX 5K series, 2 HD 6950s matches the perfromance of 2 GTX 570s in SLI, 2 HD 6970s in CF are beating GTX 570s in SLI.


Oh snap, according to the scale / what you said, the 6950's are like 100 dollars cheaper than each, Do you think CF 6950 is already pretty solid, for now-aday games?
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:16:35 PM

Of course, tell me what's your gaming resolution ?
But you'd be better with 2 HD 6970s for the ultimate performance, I have a single HD 6950 and i play any game @ 1080P @ ultra without any lag, the game is more than playable above 30 FPS, and very smooth @ a constant of 60 FPS. A single HD 6970 drives almost all the games @ 60 FPS with the exception for Crysis 2 & Metro 2033 which requires the power of CF.

I recommend HD 6970s in CF.
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December 20, 2011 2:17:48 PM

ilysaml said:
Of course, tell me what's your gaming resolution ?
But you'd be better with 2 HD 6970s for the ultimate performance, I have a single HD 6950 and i play any game @ 1080P @ ultra without any lag, the game is more than playable above 30 FPS, and very smooth @ a constant of 60 FPS. A single HD 6970 drives almost all the games @ 60 FPS with the exception for Crysis 2 & Metro 2033 which requires the power of CF.

I recommend HD 6970s in CF.


Ima be playing at 1080p too xD Also, i do intent to record using fraps while playing so the fps will be lower for me
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December 20, 2011 2:18:22 PM

I just prefer Nvidia because their drivers are simpler and cause less problems.

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December 20, 2011 2:19:23 PM

Kirunlol said:
Oh snap, according to the scale / what you said, the 6950's are like 100 dollars cheaper than each, Do you think CF 6950 is already pretty solid, for now-aday games?

hhmm, hd 6970 CF is good but 'm telling you they have a buggy drivers which can avoid to you taste it real performance and yes 570 sli can make every game maxed out without losing a driver or performance i would say find EVGA.
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December 20, 2011 2:20:05 PM

of course these may just be rumours






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December 20, 2011 2:21:14 PM

xtreme5 said:
hhmm, hd 6970 CF is good but 'm telling you they have a buggy drivers which can avoid to you taste it real performance and yes 570 sli can make every game maxed out without losing a driver or performance i would say find EVGA.


So your saying the CF 6970 can mess my drivers up / computer?
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:21:14 PM

@kirunlol
FRAPS is an indicator, if you run it at the background it shows you the min,max,avg FPS you get.

@fuggles
Unfortunately, this is not true. Both companies are great and have a good drivers.
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December 20, 2011 2:23:36 PM

ilysaml said:
Of course, tell me what's your gaming resolution ?
But you'd be better with 2 HD 6970s for the ultimate performance, I have a single HD 6950 and i play any game @ 1080P @ ultra without any lag, the game is more than playable above 30 FPS, and very smooth @ a constant of 60 FPS. A single HD 6970 drives almost all the games @ 60 FPS with the exception for Crysis 2 & Metro 2033 which requires the power of CF.

I recommend HD 6970s in CF.

haha! your AMD logo realize to us that your a great fan of AMD so that's why you are forcely suggesting HD cards yes they are powerful but unfortunately they have bad drivers especially when CF'ring they become microstuttering don't you know.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:25:54 PM

@Xtreme5 & fuggles
Look @ HD 6950s/70s CF reviewed here in Toms and any reputable site, no one reported a lag of drivers.
Unlikey, AMD is improving their drivers each time than before starting from the CCC 11.9 to the current one CCC 12.1 preview.
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December 20, 2011 2:27:36 PM

Kirunlol said:
So your saying the CF 6970 can mess my drivers up / computer?

that's what i'm talking about one of my cousin using hd 6870 CF and he can't maxed out BF3 or even skyrim the max FPS he is getting about 39 still his games looking a little laggy.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:28:00 PM

@Xtreme5 i don't have to tell you how many time i recommended GTX cards over HDs, i'm a fan in person, regarding the performance, i recommend the best overall.

And my posts are based on charts and evidences ? what's yours based on ?
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December 20, 2011 2:29:36 PM

ilysaml said:
@Xtreme5 & fuggles
Look @ HD 6950s/70s CF reviewed here in Toms and any reputable site, no one reported a lag of drivers.
Unlikey, AMD is improving their drivers each time than before starting from the CCC 11.9 to the current one CCC 12.1 preview.

well, all the forum is fullfil of complaining amd drivers.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:29:47 PM

Charts provided by Fuggles is doubtful, the GTX 580 is 20% faster than GTX 570. This makes me suspect the original source.

HD 7970 will be over GTX 580, but with not that marvelous improvement.
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December 20, 2011 2:31:24 PM

@Xtreme5
So i'd be eager to help those members who experience a performance issues cuz of drivers. Could you please link my to some threads ? :) 
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December 20, 2011 2:32:30 PM

xtreme5 said:
that's what i'm talking about one of my cousin using hd 6870 CF and he can't maxed out BF3 or even skyrim the max FPS he is getting about 39 still his games looking a little laggy.


ya but thats 6870, thats like nvidia 460? I'm talking about 6950, they still do that too?
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a b U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:34:21 PM

Just a quick comment regarding 3 x 6950, tests have shown a triple graphics card setup nearly entirely eliminates micro shuttering, something to consider :) 
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December 20, 2011 2:36:42 PM

ilysaml said:
@Xtreme5 i don't have to tell you how many time i recommended GTX cards over HDs, i'm a fan in person, regarding the performance, i recommend the best overall.

And my posts are based on charts and evidences ? what's yours based on ?


Kirunlol said:
ya but thats 6870, thats like nvidia 460? I'm talking about 6950, they still do that too?


yes, it's your own choice get nvidia or amd no matter but again i'm telling amd have bad drivers in particularly CF.
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December 20, 2011 2:38:23 PM

joedjnpc said:
Just a quick comment regarding 3 x 6950, tests have shown a triple graphics card setup nearly entirely eliminates micro shuttering, something to consider :) 


This is the third time i hear micro shuttering, i don't even know what that is, so im guessing if it eliminates it with a happy face, its something good? You think i should go with 3 6950's?
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December 20, 2011 2:40:43 PM

ilysaml said:
@Xtreme5
So i'd be eager to help those members who experience a performance issues cuz of drivers. Could you please link my to some threads ? :) 


joedjnpc said:
Just a quick comment regarding 3 x 6950, tests have shown a triple graphics card setup nearly entirely eliminates micro shuttering, something to consider :) 

can you please show that test?
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:41:53 PM

Microstuttering is a phenomenon happens with any multi GPU setup in the planet whether from AMD or nVidia, the issue is barely visible with high end Graphics cards such as GTX 560ti and HD 6950 and above. The issue like never existed with 3-way CF/SLI setup.

Actually, a lot of experienced users and non experienced users don't know what's Microstutter, so you'll be fine and never experience a lag.
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December 20, 2011 2:46:00 PM

Kirunlol said:
This is the third time i hear micro shuttering, i don't even know what that is, so im guessing if it eliminates it with a happy face, its something good? You think i should go with 3 6950's?


ilysaml said:
Microstuttering is a phenomenon happens with any multi GPU setup in the planet whether from AMD or nVidia, the issue is barely visible with high end Graphics cards such as GTX 560ti and HD 6950 and above. The issue like never existed with 3-way CF/SLI setup.

Actually, a lot of experienced users and non experienced users don't know what's Microstutter, so you'll be fine and never experience a lag.

amd has alot micro stuttering tham nvidia.
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a b U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:49:58 PM

personally if I had the PCI-e slots, the cooling and enough PCI-e connectors I'd go with 3 6950's
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a b U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:50:33 PM

you are wasting your money get single gtx 580 or wait until the newer comes out that's it.
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December 20, 2011 2:51:37 PM

joedjnpc said:
personally if I had the PCI-e slots, the cooling and enough PCI-e connectors I'd go with 3 6950's


with the build i have, do you think im able to achieve 3 6950's?
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December 20, 2011 2:53:05 PM

xtreme5 said:
you are wasting your money get single gtx 580 or wait until the newer comes out that's it.


Ya i know, but cf 6950 beats a single 580, and its the same price
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December 20, 2011 2:54:26 PM

Kirunlol said:
with the build i have, do you think im able to achieve 3 6950's?



You can, read the article I linked, the performance of 3 x 6950 is absolutely sick
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a b U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 2:56:55 PM

again same story so many time i told you CF = microstuttering but if you don't believe me then get it.
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December 20, 2011 3:01:39 PM

xtreme5 said:
again same story so many time i told you CF = microstuttering but if you don't believe me then get it.


So 2x=better fps, but more drops in fps, and 1 580 is less fps but less drops. But then again were back to it being 600$, so i think id be even more convenient to get a shitty card, and wait for the new series, like a 560 or 6950
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December 20, 2011 3:07:36 PM

xtreme5 said:
again same story so many time i told you CF = microstuttering but if you don't believe me then get it.

You don't even know what's Microstuttering or where it's seen. And if you read the article well, you'd not have said so.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 3:11:10 PM

@OP
2 HD 6950s/70s will allow you to play any game on earth at ultra settings without any lag.

The power of the Third GPU in CF/SLI doesn't worth the extra money.
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December 20, 2011 3:13:03 PM

ilysaml said:
You don't even know what's Microstuttering or where it's seen. And if you read the article well, you'd not have said so.


So with what you said about the new series and stuff coming out, and i just wanna have a computer now, what you think i should do, get like a solid cheap card, and then get 1 of the new ones, and if i do this can i sli or cf with 1 of the old 1s with 1 of the new 1s, or what would you do idk, im clueless, and just wanna play da gaimz, while not being a idiot wasting money
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 3:16:34 PM

A wise choice is to pick up a single card such as HD 6950 /GTX 560ti then wait till the new GPU is out, see benches and decide if you grab one or just CF your current card.

You can only CF 2 GPUs from the same series, HD 6970 with HD 6970 or 6950 but you can't CF HD 6950 with HD 6850.
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December 20, 2011 3:21:36 PM

ilysaml said:
You don't even know what's Microstuttering or where it's seen. And if you read the article well, you'd not have said so.

well, i know it better than you i'm using nividia gtx 580 haha! maxed out every games BF3 max 68fps skyrim 56 your AMD logo realize me that you are huge fan of BUGGY AMD item. :lol: 

that's why you are showing off yourself as a master.
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December 20, 2011 3:22:06 PM

ilysaml said:
A wise choice is to pick up a single card such as HD 6950 /GTX 560ti then wait till the new GPU is out, see benches and decide if you grab one or just CF your current card.

You can only CF 2 GPUs from the same series, HD 6970 with HD 6970 or 6950 but you can't CF HD 6950 with HD 6850.


Do you have any chart for HD 6950 /GTX 560ti?

Also the gaming laptop that best buy sells, the MSI - GT780DXR Model: 405US, is around 1600$$. I heard theres a new model of this coming out, Do you know when? Also if its not anytime soon, do you think the following specs is good for 1600$$ for a laptop?

Processor Type: Core i7
Processor Model: i7-2670QM
Processor Speed: 2.20 GHz
Processor Core: Quad-core (4 Core)
Cache: 6 MB
Standard Memory: 12 GB
Memory Technology: DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drive Capacity: 1 TB
Optical Drive Type: DVD-Writer
Optical Media Supported: DVD-RAM/±R/±RW
Screen Size: 17.3"
Display Screen Type: Active Matrix TFT Color LCD
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Screen Mode: Full HD
Backlight Technology: LED
Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Graphics Controller Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Graphics Controller Model: GeForce GTX 570M
Graphics Memory Capacity: 1.50 GB

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December 20, 2011 3:26:56 PM

xtreme5 said:
well, i know it better than you i'm using nividia gtx 580 haha! maxed out every games BF3 max 68fps skyrim 56 your AMD logo realize me that you are huge fan of BUGGY AMD item. :lol: 

that's why you are showing off yourself as a master.


you have any chart showing this of 1 single gtx 580 doing that much fps at max settings?
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a c 143 U Graphics card
December 20, 2011 3:30:19 PM

@Extreme5
What you said is not related to the quote you were commenting on. And believe me, my level of knowledge prevents me from replying you anymore.

@OP
You can see reviews of both cards here @ Tomshardware,guru3d.com, techpowerup.com, legitreviews.com and so.... and the chart i provided above shows the performance of the 2 cards.

Yes that Gaming laptop specs sounds to be very good, but gaming on Mobiles are different than gaming on Desktop machines, you can't upgrade the laptop's GPU and upgradable ones are more expensive and more useless in the future.
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