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February 19, 2012 6:14:19 AM

Hey guys.

I'm new to the forum. I've been looking around here a bit and have seen that the people here really seem to be really helpful and know what they're talking about.

The build I am going to make will be my second one. I made my first build in 2010. It was a very simple gaming rig. All stock parts. No special coolers or LEDs or anything. Very basic.

The build I want to make now is a HUGE step up from what I made before.

Approximate Purchase Date: Between 1-2 weeks

Budget Range: $4-5K USD

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming. Also like Photoshop and video editing and stuff. That's not for me but I know that it can put a lot of strain on the system.

Parts Not Required: I need everything down to the power strip for all my peripherals. And any good comfortable leather/wood computer chairs.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com

Country: United States

Parts Preferences: Intel processor and nVidia graphics

Overclocking: Maybe. It will be my first time doing so, so just a little bit to be safe.

SLI or Crossfire: Yes. SLI

Monitor Resolution: I need a good full HD monitor recommendation. Preferably one that looks nice. Around the size of one of those iMacs.

Case: NZXT Switch 810

Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme

CPU: Intel Core i7 3960X Extreme Edition

GPU: I'm not sure whether to go with two 1.5 GB ones or a 3 GB one.

GTX 580 1536MB
Or
GTX 580 3072MB

I want to be able to run any game I throw at this on the best possible settings.
It will be water cooled.

RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133

PSU: SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W

Hard Drive: Western Digital VelociRaptor 10000RPM 600GB For storage

SSD: Crucial 128GB SSD For my OS and some games and programs

Blu Ray Drive: ASUS Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Blu-ray Burner

Keyboard: I was thinking of a good Razer one.

Mouse: The wireless Mad Catz Cyborg R.A.T. 9

Also, Are there any white small LEDs that I can place throughout the inside of the case that I can turn on and off while the system is on? I don't want a bright computer while I sleep.

I know that I can probably make a system that will do what I want for much less, but I kinda also want such a powerful system just to have it.

I'm posting this for a couple of reasons.

1. From what I can tell, all my parts seem compatible. Is there anything that I'm not seeing here?

2. Water cooling. I really want to water cool this system. I want to cool both the CPU and the one or two GPU(s) I will have.
What type of water cooling would I need for this? Also, I've seen many videos on water cooling setups, but does anyone have any great text + pic/video tutorials? I want to be able to talk to people about the cooling and thoroughly be able to explain something if needed. Not just name a part and have them nod their head.

3. With whatever your recommended water cooling option is, will the PSU be enough to power everything?


If there is anything that I am forgetting to mention please let me know. It's pretty late here and I'm very sleepy.

Thank you for all your help.
=)

Also, I will eventually try to post pictures of the build.
I am going to be taking a lot of pictures during the building process.

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February 19, 2012 9:44:24 AM

I think this case would be more appropriate for such a system. Note the Colorshift fan feature which may negate the need for the extra LEDs. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As far as dimming the case at night, you do know you can turn it off and save some electricity right?

In reality, for today's and even near future gaming, this machine is extreme overkill. The good news is, it should last you a few years. Even then, I doubt you will ever use all of it's capabilities in gaming.

I don't do water cooling, so I will leave that to others.

With that PSU, you could run everything including 4 video cards. It will not really hurt anything except the wallet as all modern certified PSU's are efficient at low medium and high loads.

As far as the video cards go, you might wish to visit the Nvidia site and read up on SLi and it's effect on video ram. That should aid your decision.

edit: Almost forgot. You do not want to go wireless on the keyboard and mouse on a gaming rig. Even high end ones are not as good as wired for gaming.
February 19, 2012 12:27:08 PM

First of all, i would advise waiting for the gtx 680 which is rumoured to be out april 12.
If you don't want to wait i would get the 3gb card. Having 2 1.5gb cards does not mean you have 3gb.

Do you really need a velociraptor? Just grab this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and upgrade your ssd to this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for your case, it isn't really made for water cooling. Something like the HAF X would be better suited. Have a look at frozencpu.com they have some good cases
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g45/c2/s35/list/p1/Cust...
Also make sure you read the wc sticky
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/265776-11-read-firs...

Your psu should be fine for just about anything you can throw at it.

This is a good keyboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
but to be honest, your best off gong through and having a look through them and then reading reviews about them.
Good places for reviews are www.hardwareheaven.com, www.eteknix.com and www.bit-tech.net.
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February 19, 2012 2:31:13 PM

Thanks for the replies.

I'm gonna stick with the case though. I'm very picky and after hours of looking for a case, this was the one I finally decided to go with.

I've decided to go with the 3 GB one instead of the 1.5 in SLI.

I picked the raptor because I don't need too much hard drive space since most of my media is on external hard drives and my budget permits it. The SSD will be used for the OS and some games and programs. So I don't need one that's too big.

I want to be able to dim/turn off my LED because my computer is on a lot. I either have some type of a shop set up in some MMO market area or am downloading something huge. My current computer has a small blue fan on the side that drives me crazy at night. I don't want that to happen with this one.

Thanks for the tip for the mouse/keyboard. I'm gonna look more into that too.

And thanks for the WC guide. I'm reading that right now and will post back soon with parts to get feedback on them.

Thanks again for everything.
February 19, 2012 2:56:25 PM

You could get a s1155 setup that would be just as fast in gaming for 1/4 the price, not only that, Ivy Bridge is right around the corner.

It just doesn't make any sense to buy a s2011 system for gaming. The whole point of those processors and quad channel memory is as a workstation, not to play games.
February 19, 2012 4:29:54 PM

I'm the same with cases. I have an inwin dragon rider and no matter how much I look at other cases none seem to have the same appeal. I mean 18 fans in push pull with rads :-). I'm so stubborn about it that I'm considering doing another portable build as well.

What you looking for in a monitor? What size? Resolution?
Also how many GPUs you planning to sli? Personally I think four GPUs powering 3 Acer hn274Hb in 3d would be awesome. However It depends on what games you play to whether it would be worth it or not.

@geeksapproved if he has the money then why not. Do millionaires buy Ferrari's because they need them or because they can?

@shishir not trolling but he said he wanted nvidia graphics. Anyway I think the 7979 is overrated. The gtx 680 will come along and take back the crown.
February 19, 2012 4:59:14 PM

Well if it's a matter of wasting money, then go ahead.

My point was for 1/4 the price he could get a 2600K/Z68 that would game just as well as that overpriced crap, or wait for 77w Ivy Bridge in 28nm.

He said gaming was the main use of the computer. It doesn't make sense to build a workstation platform for gaming unless you just have money to spend.
February 19, 2012 5:10:31 PM

I'm gonna go with the 3 GB water cooling GTX 580
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I was thinking about this for the monitor. I'm just gonna get a single monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The monitor I really want is one of those Apple 27 inch ones. But I heard they don't support PCs.

Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse
http://store.gameshark.com/viewItem.asp?idProduct=5177&...

And for the WC
Is one 360 rad at the top enough for the CPU and the GPU?
February 19, 2012 5:15:18 PM

@geekapproved
I already wrote in my original post that I could probably make a system for cheaper. I'm doing this just to have it and because I have money to spare on it.
February 19, 2012 9:55:49 PM

Yeah, still makes no sense to me why you would want a workstation for gaming and pay 3x as much for it, but whatever, enjoy.

Just keep in mind X79 is predicted to have a shorter lifespan than X58, and that was short. Everyone that bought into X58 wishes they had waited for Sandy Bridge.
February 19, 2012 10:25:17 PM

@geekapproved yeah but ivy bridge is the last one for 1155 as well.

Will a 360 rad cool your CPU and GPUs no. You want about 240 for each component. Especially as your overclocking. Put the 140.3 at the top and a 120.2 at the bottom and you should be fine.
Are you planning to add any more GPUs in the future? Using the only chipset that can do 4x GPUs to use a single GPU seems a bit underwhelming.
Have a look through this thread. There may or may not be something of use in it. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/272613-11-questions

PS I'll take some of that spare money if you don't need it hehe lol just kidding.
February 20, 2012 12:01:51 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $269.99
XFX ProSeries P1-1250-BEFX 1250W ATX12V V2.2 & ESP12V V2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $268.99
Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR240GB 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $279.99
ASRock X79 Extreme6/GB LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $599.99
SAMSUNG S27A950D Black 27" 2ms Full HD 3D LED BackLight LCD Monitor w/ 3D glasses 300 cd/m2 DCR 1,000,000:1 (1,000:1)

February 20, 2012 1:55:11 PM

Thanks for the PSU thing. Really saved my ass there.

At some point in the future I will most likely SLI.

For the WC, I'm gonna head over to the MicroCenter near my place. I think if I saw the parts I need hands on, it will give me a better feel as to what will and wont fit in my case.

@Why_Me
That monitor looks freakin amazing. But I can't do 3D because I wear glasses.
Is there one without 3d?
February 20, 2012 3:28:07 PM

ProjectPwnage said:
That monitor looks freakin amazing. But I can't do 3D because I wear glasses.
Is there one without 3d?

It doesn't matter if you wear glasses or not. I wear glasses and I'm planning to go 3D.
http://www.3dglasses.co.uk/news/3d-glasses-people-wear-...

I would advise using http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... as it has the 3d vision kit built in so its literally plug n play. But as with everything look around and read reviews.
This is the monitors that work with Nvidia 3D vision http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requireme...

My advise for the WC would be, once you've decided your components, post in the water cooling section for help
February 20, 2012 3:35:57 PM

ProjectPwnage said:
Thanks for the PSU thing. Really saved my ass there.

At some point in the future I will most likely SLI.

For the WC, I'm gonna head over to the MicroCenter near my place. I think if I saw the parts I need hands on, it will give me a better feel as to what will and wont fit in my case.

@Why_Me
That monitor looks freakin amazing. But I can't do 3D because I wear glasses.
Is there one without 3d?

3D on on that monitor is an option. You can choose to use the 3D or not use the 3D. I like the monitor for the size, 120hz refresh rate, response time and the fact it's LED back lit.
February 20, 2012 6:01:05 PM

Nice. Finally some 3D for me. =)

I'm gonna go ahead and buy that Samsung monitor now that I know I can use it for both 2D and 3D. Just gotta decide the size.

Now I'm off to the WC section,

Thanks for the help
=)
!