bush is snorting cocaine again

bush must be snorting cocaine again with his latest idea to have a permanent colony on the moon and send people to mars. granted space travel i think is a fantasy that many of us hold. i know when i was a kid the idea of traveling to the moon seemed so futuristic and fantasic.

an article from the washington post sums it up best

someone must pust a stop to delusions of granduer that this man has. you cannot cut taxes, spend hundreds of billions of dollars rebuilding iraq, spend my guess would be a couple of trillion dollars because you know the costs will never be what they say in terms of government take origigan estimates and multiply by ten at least.

surely there are more important thins going on in this country that need care before we attempt to send someone to mars and waste trillions of dollars in doing so. this by the way is a method of distraction that governments use to draw attention away from themselves.

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I would personally like to see an accelerated space program, and this is one thing I would somewhat actually commend Bush on if he goes through with it.

But, I just don't see how it's possible. The massive tax cuts and accelerated spending in many other facets of government, as well as the bloating fiscal defecit just don't really allow for any more money into the space program at this time.

All I want to do is go into space before I die. That'd be sweet.

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Hey those underpant gnomes are advising bush. Who the hell are you to question them?!!

<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>

Yeah but they're the underpant gnomes, they're never wrong!


<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>

why would we go back to the moon? theres not a lot there. what, were supposed to go back and say, yea, this is about what it looked like. lets get some samples of dirt, wich we already have and go home.

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Why do any science that doesn't provide instant gratification? Should we just sit on earth and not even bother moving beyond it? Why do we have the space station? It's all about scientific experimentation and moving beyond our stagnant borders.

If you want a real world application, then consider that without the technology to move beyond Earth, we would have to watch our own extinction unfold if a comet or meteor was headed towards us. You could fire all the nuclear weapons you want at it but in the end you're just gonna get hit by the same rock, just in a couple different pieces, if you even hit it.

You would have to get very lucky to spot something far enough out to be able to divert it's path. Something 1 km wide could wipe us all out and it's pretty much invisibile until it's too late.

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i understand the point of exploration and discovery and am all for technological advances, but how can we pay for this, better yet who is going to pay for it?

<font color=purple><b><i>The Principle's of the Lust are easy to understand. Do what feel, feel until the end</b></i></font color=purple>

If he busts his ass and works another 2 weeks with overtime, we could go to Jupiter to.

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Space travel is our future. Anyone who doubts that is a very close minded person. It will be many years, maybe decades before a human sets foot on Mars, but we will do it. Yes it will cost a whole sh!t load to do it. But if we can get all these inbred 3rd world countries to get their head out of their arse, wake up and realize that its the 21st century we can put the defense money into actually doing something good for humans instead of killing.
Star Trek is science fiction, most of it is, but it is our future.

I fully support the space program, if for nothing more than the developments they make that end up as consumer products. We do need to go to space eventally, and i figure sooner rather than later is the way to go. What I think bush is snorting cocaine on is his economics. At least, I can't understand it. As someone already pointed out, you can't cut taxes and raise spending at the same time and expect happy things.

i cannot and will not ever let this go. you understand the damage this administration has done, is doing and will continue to do will haunt the american people for decades to come. they will not be around to pick up the check when in comes due and i guarantee you that it will come due sooner rather than later.

you see i am doing what the media should be doing. since they are only presenting one side i present the other. you are free to choose to believe what you want, i simply supply the information.

i don't think bush is an idiot, he is an idiot, he has proved that notion time and time again without my help. i am here to remind people that this moron currently holds one of the more powerful positions in the world us president.

i am not a communist, just someone with open eyes who sees things in a different manner than most. i see things and see them for what they are, not necesarily what they are presented for. in the end each person draws out what they want to believe or see.

i can tell that you are quite irritated by my constant updates of this administration and their continued fups so that must really hit a nerve.

if you believe in democracy then you would realize that bush and his legion on minions have violated every tenet of what democracy stands for. that is the irony in this situation. all of you lapdogs don't even understand that you have been sh!te upon. the blind leading the blind i dare say.

ignorance and arrogance always go hand in hand. the only truth you find at the top of the mountain is the truth you brought with you. i know enough to know i truly know nothing at all.

<font color=purple><b><i>The Principle's of the Lust are easy to understand. Do what feel, feel until the end</b></i></font color=purple><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jmycal on 01/13/04 02:20 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

Jmycal, with all due respect, that doesn't make much sense. Only portraying one side? HUH?!?! Then where do you get all these articles you regularly quote on here? The fact that you routinely post so many on here from various news sources that agree WITH your side only speaks to the contrary.

Although, we do appreciate your frequent updates of our political situation (with made-up stories of drug use included) on Tom's <i>Hardware Guide</i> Community, a site that speaks to a very specific, small-percentage-of-the-population audience, of which roughly half are citizens of other countries and/or below our voting age.

(PS, not questioning the "free to choose to believe what you want" part of the quote. That part I wouldn't debate. Just copied the whole paragraph.)

<font color=blue>War</font color=blue> <font color=orange>Eagle</font color=orange>

The only reason Bush is presenting the idea that we should all go to the moon is because the U.S understands that it's time is very limited. Take what Bush says lightly he does not talk for himself in any capacity, he is told what to say by a board of directors and that is what he asks for or says is. The man himself is not the one making any judgment calls for the entire population of a country. Dont kid your self on that count.

I was around to actually watch the moon landings and remember what was shown on T.V at that time. Whether any of it was real or not is secondary to the real fact that the U.S and countries with the same economic ideas as the U.S like Canada, England and France are running around like chickens with their collective heads cut-off behind closed doors.

The reasons are still the same as we as children were taught in school in the 70's and 80's by our History teachers and science teachers.

We as a human race on earth are running out of the resources we have used over the last one hundred years to advance science and our daily lives. Without the Fossil fuels that we have totally become dependant on we are on the edge of collapse.

These fossil fuels are only found on planet earth because of the past presence of the dinosaurs and decay and recycle only found in our known universe here on planet earth.

Going to the moon is not going to replenish fossil fuels it is not going to provide a launch platform so that we can trap asteroids and use the resources from them either.

The only reason they would like to make the moon a self supporting living environment without the use of fossil fuels is so that mankind has a place to crash after we burn out our planet.

The threat of losing what we have left is the driving force to find a new home where man can survive as the world leaders understand the type of warfare that will fall on all our heads over the last few drops of crude oil.

This planet will be drained of natural resources and it will be drained of the ability to support life of any kind after the wars that will come to control the last of what is available.

Having a life boat like the moon that can support and maintained the species is the only viable option the futurists have left open to them.

We as children in the 70's were already being told by scientists that the natural resources of our planet would be totally used-up in our own life times perhaps as little as 50 years. All these statements and previews of disaster seem to have been lost over the last few years we do not hear it spoken by teachers or scientists as it once was. Almost like they have been told to shut-up and ignore common sense.

I still talk to my grade 5 teacher a Mr. Thorsil and he has even spoken of this to me almost 30 years after the fact. His father was also a scientists and invented a tool used in open heart surgery to staple artery's closed without damaging them and another project he was supposed to have worked on was the antenna array used on the Voyager space craft.

I am always personally amazed that in the area of Canada I live in there is so many scientific endeavours and companies and Government programs as well as the famous people that worked in them or for them in this area. It is the Ottawa Capitol area in Ontario Canada but just growing up here has meant that going to school or participating in scientific events is almost an every day thing around here. It Gives a person a first hand insight into the sciences and the Government core around them.

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Yeah, sources like the Washington Post and Reuters are nowhere near those categories....

<font color=blue>War</font color=blue> <font color=orange>Eagle</font color=orange>

While that may or may not be true, as it is based on opinion, it was much more constructive than

He did put some thought into his reply. If you agree or disagree, at least it was well written and not flaming.

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ksoth said it below as what the f@#k is bush snorting.

i only believe what i believe but i don't really know anything. we will never know the reasons behind the invasion of iraq, only what we choose to accept and believe as reason.

too many people have blinders on with respect to this administration to see that what they have actually been doing is less then "holy"

you are also in the military and i have not met one single military person who has anything bad to say about this administration. further all of the military people that i have met or know since this began fully support what we are doing, essencially going on blind faith with what this administration is doing.

blind faith will betray you in the end. i am foolish enough to think that something might change as a result of all of this, but smart enough to know that may never happen.

<font color=purple><b><i>The Principle's of the Lust are easy to understand. Do what feel, feel until the end</b></i></font color=purple>

You sir, are a moron. Do you have any clue about anything that pours out of the hole in your face?

What you just posted was just complete garbage.

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ymcal, can I ask you a question? Do you discuss this stuff in person? The reason I ask is because I was driving home from work last night and I came across some news talk radio (I have no idea who the talk show host was), and this lady called in and did a rant that pretty much covered a lot of what you say.

She sounded insane. Written it's at least presentable and we can discuss and debate this stuff, but orally it sounds absolutely insane. She sounded like a complete nutcase.

I think that anytime you present an argument from only one side, in order to try to balance this invisible other side, you come across as an extremest. Whether it be moveon.org or you, it just comes across as irrational.

Try to balance out your views. Presenting Bush as the anti-christ just doesn't appeal to anyone other than the far left. You're way too sharp too be presenting only one side.

O'neal is presenting one side and he comes across as irrational. Like the guy who did the same thing to Reagan, O'neal will disapear very soon from the spotlight. You can't just say extremest things that can be debunked in 2 seconds or have no proof and think you're right. O'neal discredits himself from the get go when he starts talking about Bush planning for Iraq before 911, since that is exactly what Bush should have been doing. Nothing changed after 911 other than our priorites. It was Clinton that set the regime change policy in motion but at the time the priority wasn't getting Saddam, it was staying in office and making a name for himself in the mideast peace process. With global terrorism attacking country after country though Saddam was first on the list to go after the gulf war and 12 years of non-compliance with the world community. The common person will look at events as they unfold and think it makes sense. The extremests will propose conspiracy theories and will come across as irrational.

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How do you know that most people think that Saddam is linked to 911? How do you know that most people get their news from fox?

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I see Canada can now bid on Iraq contracts. That's good. I felt we were too hard on them.

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I myself doubt that Saddam was directly linked to 9/11, but he was a sponsor of terrorism worldwide, and al-Qaeda used Iraq, amongst other countries, to move money around using the banking system of hawalla.

When I served in Northern Ireland, my regiment was used by a joint military/intelligence services organisation known within the forces as the Det (or Detachment). They used all sorts of tricks and methods to destabilise and defeat PIRA. Weapons shipments were tracked from source of purchase to their inevitable involvement in a hit on troops and then when they tried to recover them from a cache in the countryside. One such recovery, involving men from my regiment, found a batch of AK's that had been tracked by MI6, and had been shipped from Iraq. PIRA bought weapons from all over the world, and had very good relations with some middle east countries that had a certain dislike for the west. Saddam is guilty of sponsoring terrorism the world over.

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just want to discuss issues and viewpoints with people. it is what i enjoy doing. nothing is more fun than arguing sometimes

<font color=purple><b><i>The Principle's of the Lust are easy to understand. Do what feel, feel until the end</b></i></font color=purple>

probably is a mute point trying to convert people who are stedfast in their beliefs, but it is invigorating mentally to argue with people, gets you thinking.

i talk to my coworkers, friends about the same thing, but here is a chance if nothing more to vent frustrations i have with/this administration. occaasionaly i write letters to the local newspaper on various things i have problems with, some have gotten printed some don't

all in all i should focus on other things like finding a girlfriend and someone to be with than spouting off about bush, instead of getting bush (bad one i know)



<font color=purple><b><i>The Principle's of the Lust are easy to understand. Do what feel, feel until the end</b></i></font color=purple>

Would help, especially if ya focus on what's below the bush, or the bare plot, whichever it may be.



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Saddam was the president of a little piece of shít worthless country(I know it's his fault.) A comparison with one of the most powerfull men in history is out of place. Hitler had a real chance of taking over the world and his intentions on that point were clear.

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