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Upgraded from Core 2 Duo to i3 and performance is lower Plz Help

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June 9, 2012 1:39:23 PM

Upgraded from:
MSI G31TM-P21
Core 2 Duo e6750
Kingston HyperX 4gb(2x2gb)

to
ASUS P8H77 -V LE
Core i3 2120
Corsair Vengeance 8gb (2x4gb)

kept
Corsair GS600
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250820AS

there is a noticable difference in performance and i dont know why

Please help me
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June 9, 2012 2:09:55 PM

Noticeable difference of what kind? What are you doing with it that runs now slower than before? Did you re-install Windows?
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June 9, 2012 2:17:02 PM

Not only reinstall windows, as well load all the drivers for your new hardware!
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June 9, 2012 2:30:46 PM

whatsthatnoise said:
Noticeable difference of what kind? What are you doing with it that runs now slower than before? Did you re-install Windows?


almost anything i try to do is alot slower. im in safe mode right now running malwarebytes and it feels alot faster than before and i had to reinstall windows to get it to even boot.

my browser takes along time and i dont think its the internet because im getting download speed of around 20 Mbps

but in safe mode evrything feels fine. how would i go about fixing that
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June 9, 2012 2:32:04 PM

rolli59 said:
Not only reinstall windows, as well load all the drivers for your new hardware!


i installed everything that came on the driver cd for mobo and double checked.
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June 9, 2012 2:33:48 PM

That points into the direction of driver issues. Like rolli59 said, have you installed the drivers that came with your motherboard?

What graphics are you using? A dedicated card or onboard graphics?

Edit: Got beaten ...
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June 9, 2012 2:34:05 PM

Sounds like you have a hardware problem then, start with the ram running just one stick at a time.
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June 9, 2012 2:36:46 PM

Safe Mode doesn't load certain stuff, a hardware issue should be as prominent as in normal mode, imo. Except it being one of the things not adressed in safe mode (no driver loaded). But that again rules out basic stuff like CPU and RAM, not graphics however.
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June 9, 2012 2:43:47 PM

whatsthatnoise said:
That points into the direction of driver issues. Like rolli59 said, have you installed the drivers that came with your motherboard?

What graphics are you using? A dedicated card or onboard graphics?

Edit: Got beaten ...

im using a EVGA gtx 460 and i installed all the drivers that came with the cd
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June 9, 2012 3:13:06 PM

Download the official drivers from NVIDIA, they should be way more up to date.
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June 9, 2012 4:26:01 PM

whatsthatnoise said:
Download the official drivers from NVIDIA, they should be way more up to date.


i removed a stick of ram and donwloaded the drivers from nvidia and it hasnt changed anything
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June 9, 2012 4:30:26 PM

rolli59 said:
Sounds like you have a hardware problem then, start with the ram running just one stick at a time.


i removed a stick and it didnt change anyhting
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June 9, 2012 5:26:28 PM

Then try it with the sticker you removed. Did you apply thermal paste to your new processor? is the cooler firmly installed?

Cheers.
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June 9, 2012 6:09:58 PM

Did you actually reinstall Windows or did you just move the hard drive to your new computer and try to update the drivers?
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June 12, 2012 8:26:17 PM

notlim981 said:
Then try it with the sticker you removed. Did you apply thermal paste to your new processor? is the cooler firmly installed?

Cheers.

if by cooler you meen cpu fan then yes and i did apply thermal grease. tried with both sticks of memory and dont see a difference. is there some way i would be able to benchmark my builds performance and compare it with what it actually should be? and if its not the ram wat else would it be?
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June 12, 2012 9:34:49 PM

anort3 said:
Did you actually reinstall Windows or did you just move the hard drive to your new computer and try to update the drivers?


X2 to this question.
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June 12, 2012 9:44:51 PM

popatim said:
X2 to this question.



He actually answered above. I didn't do what I always complain about.....read the thread carefully before I posted! :p 
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June 12, 2012 9:53:09 PM

yeah so what else can i do to find the bottleneck of my system
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June 12, 2012 9:55:38 PM

Check your temps. Both at idle and under load. Use Prime 95 to load.

HWMonitor:

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

Coretemp:

http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

Prime 95:

http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/


Also make sure you monitor GPU temps. HWMonitor will check the temps. Use Furmark to load the card. 10-15 minutes should do it.

Furmark:

http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/


Check your hard drive's SMART status.

SpeedFan:

http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php


You did plug the power supply into the graphics card right?

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June 12, 2012 10:02:25 PM

all my temps are fine and my gpu was correctly installed. i run Battlefield 3 on high and play for hours. i will check the HDD tho. thanx
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June 12, 2012 10:07:39 PM

this is wat i got from speedfan
our hard disk is a ST3250820AS with firmware 3.AHG.
The average temperature for this hard disk model is 38°C (min=29°C max=48°C) and yours is 34°C.

Attribute Current Raw
Raw Read Error Rate 100 000000000000
Spin Up Time 96 000000000000
Start/Stop Count 97 000000000E99
Reallocated Sector Count 100 000000000003
Seek Error Rate 88 00002DADF993
Power On Hours Count 86 0000000030EA
Spin Retry Count 100 000000000000
Power Cycle Count 97 000000000DF0
Reported Uncorrectable Errors 98 000000000002
High Fly Writes 100 000000000000
Hardware ECC Recovered 65 00000C9B9C33
Current Pending Sector 100 000000000000
Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count 100 000000000000
Ultra DMA CRC Error Rate 200 000000000000
Write Error Rate 100 000000000000
TA Increase Count 100 000000000000

Troubled attributes:
Attribute Airflow Temperature failed in the past. Its current value is 66, the worst value was 44 and the threshold is 45. According to the manufacturer, this is an advisory condition.

NOTE : your hard disk Power On Hours Count attribute current value (86) is below the normal range (98 - 100) reported for your specific hard disk model. Basically your hard disk was powered on for more than the maximum time the average user did. This means that either all of the reports collected are from hard disks that were not powered on for too long (this is realistic for recent models) or that your hard disk is becoming old. Usually this is not considered as a pre-failure advisory, but you should check whether you want to replace the hardware or keep an eye on its performances over time.

NOTE : your hard disk Power Cycle Count attribute current value (97) is below the normal range (100 - 100) reported for your specific hard disk model. Basically your hard disk was power cycled more times than the maximum number the average hard disk was. Power cycles put some stress on the hard disk mechanic. Sometimes power cycles can be caused by a loose hard disk power connector. Make sure it is properly fastened.

The overall fitness for this drive is 85%.
The overall performance for this drive is 90%.
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June 12, 2012 10:17:03 PM

hdtune i think gave me 77mbps. activating AHCI now
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June 12, 2012 10:18:03 PM

thebiggvan said:
this is wat i got from speedfan
our hard disk is a ST3250820AS with firmware 3.AHG.
The average temperature for this hard disk model is 38°C (min=29°C max=48°C) and yours is 34°C.

Attribute Current Raw
Raw Read Error Rate 100 000000000000
Spin Up Time 96 000000000000
Start/Stop Count 97 000000000E99
Reallocated Sector Count 100 000000000003
Seek Error Rate 88 00002DADF993
Power On Hours Count 86 0000000030EA
Spin Retry Count 100 000000000000
Power Cycle Count 97 000000000DF0
Reported Uncorrectable Errors 98 000000000002
High Fly Writes 100 000000000000
Hardware ECC Recovered 65 00000C9B9C33
Current Pending Sector 100 000000000000
Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count 100 000000000000
Ultra DMA CRC Error Rate 200 000000000000
Write Error Rate 100 000000000000
TA Increase Count 100 000000000000

Troubled attributes:
Attribute Airflow Temperature failed in the past. Its current value is 66, the worst value was 44 and the threshold is 45. According to the manufacturer, this is an advisory condition.

NOTE : your hard disk Power On Hours Count attribute current value (86) is below the normal range (98 - 100) reported for your specific hard disk model. Basically your hard disk was powered on for more than the maximum time the average user did. This means that either all of the reports collected are from hard disks that were not powered on for too long (this is realistic for recent models) or that your hard disk is becoming old. Usually this is not considered as a pre-failure advisory, but you should check whether you want to replace the hardware or keep an eye on its performances over time.

NOTE : your hard disk Power Cycle Count attribute current value (97) is below the normal range (100 - 100) reported for your specific hard disk model. Basically your hard disk was power cycled more times than the maximum number the average hard disk was. Power cycles put some stress on the hard disk mechanic. Sometimes power cycles can be caused by a loose hard disk power connector. Make sure it is properly fastened.

The overall fitness for this drive is 85%.
The overall performance for this drive is 90%.




Does not look like any of those mean it's about to fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.
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June 12, 2012 10:44:23 PM

i activated ACHI not really seeing a difernece
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June 12, 2012 10:45:51 PM

thebiggvan said:
i activated ACHI not really seeing a difernece

Not really noticeable with a HDD but can be measured by benchmarking.
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June 12, 2012 10:47:12 PM

The old hard drive is a bottleneck but it should not be making your new system slower than your old one.
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June 12, 2012 11:06:34 PM

so what could be the problem cuz i have no clue wat to do anymore.
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June 12, 2012 11:33:04 PM

Your RAM is running at the right speed and timings?

You never answered...Does BF3 run better on your new system?

Do things run fast once they load or just load slow?
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June 12, 2012 11:37:40 PM

things load slow and never played BF3 on old build. kinda bought it to test out my new build but i did play saints row on old build and the new build is alot better. but ya things take a while to load any ideas
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June 12, 2012 11:43:32 PM

Replace the hard drive. It's old and having some issues. It might just be your problem especially if load times are what's worse.
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June 13, 2012 12:27:10 AM

ok now i no i have a problem. just turned on my old ass dell inspiron 1525 and it feels faster than my i3.
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June 13, 2012 12:36:37 AM

anort3 said:
Replace the hard drive. It's old and having some issues. It might just be your problem especially if load times are what's worse.


even tho it was working fine with my core 2 duo build? would that be slowing down my new build?
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June 13, 2012 12:56:15 AM

Dude, you should triple-check your build. there is probably some loose power cable somewhere, or something you eventually forgot to plug. in the worst case scenario you must have a defective processor or motherboard.
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June 13, 2012 1:04:14 AM

It's an older design and showing SMART errors and health degradation. 5 years is about all I trust a hard drive even though I have a couple of 120GB Seagates that are first generation SATA ( getting close to 10 years old ) and they still work. I just swap them out in an extrenal enclosure and use them for backup storage.


Here are some free computer benchmark programs you can use that will help you see what's slow.

http://novabench.com/

http://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm

http://www.sisoftware.net/


The SiSoft Sandra program is excellent.
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June 13, 2012 2:17:08 AM

anort3 said:
He actually answered above. I didn't do what I always complain about.....read the thread carefully before I posted! :p 


wow - i missed it too. LoL
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June 13, 2012 6:44:24 PM

i ran memtest+ on both sticks and no errors came back so i assume that the memory is fine but i did remember that it is cas 9-9-9-24 if i went lower would that fix the problem?
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June 13, 2012 6:50:40 PM

No. Sandy Bridge chips are largely insensitive to faster/lower cas RAM. DDR3 1600 cas 9 is the sweet spot. You may have to run DDR3 1333 with an i3. You will never notice a difference though. Even in synthetic benchmarks the difference is small. It's unnoticeable in day to day use.

Bad RAM would cause problems like blue screens and random crashes and failure to boot. It would not cause a "slow" computer.

Did you run any of those benchmark programs I linked you to above? They should allow you to compare results to similar systems.
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June 13, 2012 9:26:27 PM

Ok just re-re-installed windows and evrything is fine now. deleted and created then formated drive and did clean install and its much faster but thanx for all your help
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June 13, 2012 10:10:41 PM

Sweet. Make sure you use all the latest updated drivers for everything. Keep an eye on the hard drive and start thinking about replacing it soon. The way SSD prices have been dropping lately that would be something to consider. A good 120GB drive can be had for ~$80 and a 256GB for ~$180.
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