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February 22, 2012 10:32:44 PM

I am planning on putting together a gaming desktop within the next two month or so. My purchase date hinges on when ivy bride is released and when the new nvidia cards are released. That said, I have begun researching and compiling the other parts of the build. I am having trouble narrowing down the components and I have two or three possibilities for some of the components such as the motherboard. I will list my selected parts below, please help me decide. :) 

I do need all components for a computer, including a mouse and keyboard. Also, the monitor selected has no speakers so I may need to purchase some of those as well. I do have a headset for gaming but I doubt that will suffice.

All suggestions are welcome, don't hesitate to tell me something is too overpriced or unnecessary, but please link me to a better option.

-Thanks!

Cannot decide between these parts, can anyone help me weigh the pros and cons?

7950 or 560Ti?

P67 or Z68?

Which out of the three monitors I have linked below?

Is everything compatible?

Thanks!!
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Case

Option 1 - Corsair Obsidian Series 650D - $179.99

Option 2 - Corsair Carbide Series 400R - $99.99

Option 3 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R - $128.54

Option 4 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R White - $129.03 PURCHASED

Option 5 - NZXT Phantom White Steel - $129.99

CPU Cooler

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO - $34.99 PURCHASED

Keyboard

RAZER Black USB Wired BlackWidow - $111.99

Lefty Mouse

RAZER DeathAdder - $59.99

Memory

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB - $46.99

Monitor

ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" - $199.99

Motherboard

Option 1 - ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 - $149.99

Option 2 - ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 - $121.99

Option 3 - ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 - $189.99

Operating System

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - $99.99 - PURCHASED

PSU

Option 1 - CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 750W - $149.99

Option 2 - Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 750-Watt - $114.49

HDD/SSD

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $129.99

Mushkin Enhanced Chronos 120GB SATA III SSD - $142.99

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz - $224.99

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7950 3GB - $479.99

Asus 24xDVD±RW Optical Drive - $20.99 PURCHASED

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $12.98 PURCHASED

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Projected Price: $1,787
Desired Price: $1,600
Surplus Price: $187

Possible Routes to Lower Price:

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 - $340

or

MSI Twin Frozr III GeForce GTX 560 Ti- $309.99

Crucial M4 64GB - $89.99

ASUS VS247H-P 23.6-Inch LCD Monitor - $182.00

or

ASUS 23" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor - $174.99

Seagate Barracuda 1TB - $124.99 PURCAHSED

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-Heartless

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a c 288 4 Gaming
February 22, 2012 10:42:16 PM

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Due to the fact that I am a first time computer builder I would like to get a user-friendly case that isn't too difficult to assemble. Are there any really prominent differences between the cases?


You really can't go wrong with any of Corsair's cases. I have the Graphite 600T and it's been amazing so far - really big, lots of interior room (can fit the biggest PSUs, heat sinks, GPUs, you name it), lots of drive bays, and really easy to work with. The Carbide would be the cheapest on your list but both the 400R and 500R are great - the 500R will give you a bit more interior room for the price.

Alternately you could check out Fractal Design's Arc MIDI - I love the minimalist design of it and with the polished metal it still looks attractive in any room (not to mention has a great cable management system), but the 2 x 5.25" drive bays might be a bit limiting: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Can all of these motherboards support ivy bridge and the upcoming nvidia graphics cards? Also, what are the major differences in these three motherboards?


As long as it supports PCI Gen 3 you're good. Ivy Bridge will support 1155 motherboards and will support PCI 3.0 cards like Keppler and the new Radeon 79XX series. I'd actually recommend this even though it's not on your list:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Are there any significant differences between these two PSUs? I need modular because as a novice pc builder I don't want to deal with a non-modular PSU.


One's modular and one isn't. I've actually come to prefer non-modular PSUs. There's a myth that having fewer cables in your system will mean less obstructed air flow but it's actually all in how you ROUTE your cables - the Corsair cases you linked to are one of the best on the market for that reason.

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Keyboard

RAZER Black USB Wired BlackWidow - $111.99

Lefty Mouse

RAZER DeathAdder - $59.99


One thing I will tell you is that I'm really in the minority here when I say I seriously hate spending $170 on peripherals when a $40 Logitech keyboard and mouse set will do. Put that $130 difference into upgrading your GPU or cooling solution. Get the expensive peripherals after you get your build up and running, don't include these in your budget for now.

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I am waiting until I purchase the CPU and GPU before I buy these because both will be priced lower.


Not necessarily. You can get a Crucial M4 SSD for $110 (64GB version) or $170 (128GB version) and those are a steal compared to what they used to be. Mechanical HDs are slowly starting to be reduced in price. If you look you can get a 5900RPM 2TB HD for $130 and use that as your secondary.
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February 22, 2012 10:53:18 PM

I agree with what he said as far as the keyboard goes.

as far as other rec's:

SSD: Corsair Force 3 or Force GT

RAM: G'Skill ripjaws or Corsair Venegance

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black (Wait for a few months on prices to hopefully drop)

Case: Corsair Graphite 500T (As stated above) is a wonderful case. Would have that in my recent build, but due to space couldn't fit it in my desk due to height :??: 

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a c 288 4 Gaming
February 22, 2012 11:00:07 PM

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SSD: Corsair Force 3 or Force GT


That's not really a good choice - there's a lot of issues surrounding the Sandforce drives that are included with it. I use the Crucial M4 and it's been great so far - no issues at all even after two reformats and reinstallation of Windows.

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RAM: G'Skill ripjaws or Corsair Venegance


The Vengeance is a good choice but watch for the tall heat sinks. The Crucial Ballistix is another good choice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Case: Corsair Graphite 500T (As stated above) is a wonderful case. Would have that in my recent build, but due to space couldn't fit it in my desk due to height :??: 


It is a good choice but the Carbide 400R or 500R would be a better fit for most desks. It's also big, heavy, and not easy to transport but that's the only real downside.
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February 22, 2012 11:38:53 PM

g-unit1111 said:
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Due to the fact that I am a first time computer builder I would like to get a user-friendly case that isn't too difficult to assemble. Are there any really prominent differences between the cases?


You really can't go wrong with any of Corsair's cases. I have the Graphite 600T and it's been amazing so far - really big, lots of interior room (can fit the biggest PSUs, heat sinks, GPUs, you name it), lots of drive bays, and really easy to work with. The Carbide would be the cheapest on your list but both the 400R and 500R are great - the 500R will give you a bit more interior room for the price.

Alternately you could check out Fractal Design's Arc MIDI - I love the minimalist design of it and with the polished metal it still looks attractive in any room (not to mention has a great cable management system), but the 2 x 5.25" drive bays might be a bit limiting: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Can all of these motherboards support ivy bridge and the upcoming nvidia graphics cards? Also, what are the major differences in these three motherboards?


As long as it supports PCI Gen 3 you're good. Ivy Bridge will support 1155 motherboards and will support PCI 3.0 cards like Keppler and the new Radeon 79XX series. I'd actually recommend this even though it's not on your list:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Are there any significant differences between these two PSUs? I need modular because as a novice pc builder I don't want to deal with a non-modular PSU.


One's modular and one isn't. I've actually come to prefer non-modular PSUs. There's a myth that having fewer cables in your system will mean less obstructed air flow but it's actually all in how you ROUTE your cables - the Corsair cases you linked to are one of the best on the market for that reason.

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Keyboard

RAZER Black USB Wired BlackWidow - $111.99

Lefty Mouse

RAZER DeathAdder - $59.99


One thing I will tell you is that I'm really in the minority here when I say I seriously hate spending $170 on peripherals when a $40 Logitech keyboard and mouse set will do. Put that $130 difference into upgrading your GPU or cooling solution. Get the expensive peripherals after you get your build up and running, don't include these in your budget for now.

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I am waiting until I purchase the CPU and GPU before I buy these because both will be priced lower.


Not necessarily. You can get a Crucial M4 SSD for $110 (64GB version) or $170 (128GB version) and those are a steal compared to what they used to be. Mechanical HDs are slowly starting to be reduced in price. If you look you can get a 5900RPM 2TB HD for $130 and use that as your secondary.


Can you link me to a solid keyboard and mouse to replace the gaming ones I have selected? Also, i think both of the PSUs I have selected are modular, so why is one like $35 more?

And why do you recommend that motherboard over the three options i listed?

And do you know of any solid speakers i can get that are in-between cheap and excessively expensive?

-thanks!
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a c 288 4 Gaming
February 23, 2012 12:10:46 AM

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Can you link me to a solid keyboard and mouse to replace the gaming ones I have selected? Also, i think both of the PSUs I have selected are modular, so why is one like $35 more?


To me the keyboard / mouse is the least important part of the build as it's so easy to add those later on. You could get something like this and then get the quality keyboard / mouse later on: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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And why do you recommend that motherboard over the three options i listed?


I actually own that board and it's been really solid. For the price it has one of the best feature sets on the market, has a great UEFI utility, plenty of SATA ports and tons of USB and Firewire ports.

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And do you know of any solid speakers i can get that are in-between cheap and excessively expensive?


Depends on how much you want to spend. These are the ones I use and they are great for the price - $149.
http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-2-1-computer-speakers

Alternately a lot of people seem to like these and Corsair makes excellent products (for the most part) but I can't really judge a set of speakers unless I've heard them myself: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 23, 2012 3:36:21 AM

I actually found a basic usb keyboard and mouse in my closet and those will work fine for the time being. Im still unclear on the motherboards, why is there a $70 difference between some of the ones i chose, dont they all do the same thing? Are the more expensive ones simply more relaible/better built?

Also, I watched a few indepth videos on assembling a computer and it lead me to a series of questions.

- - - - - - -

Best/easiest way to install thermal paste on the cpu for an aftermarket cpu cooler?

How do you know which drivers need to be updated/installed and how do you know if youve missed any?

Which is the best anti-virus program?

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-Thanks!
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February 23, 2012 3:58:12 AM

Wow...you're buying a lot of expensive parts. Just make sure you don't up being one of those guys trying to sell this in eight months because the mainstream parts sell better.

If your focus is gaming, remember an i5 matches an i7 and that about 30%+ of your build (at this price point) should be on graphics.
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February 23, 2012 4:06:13 AM

dalauder said:
Wow...you're buying a lot of expensive parts. Just make sure you don't up being one of those guys trying to sell this in eight months because the mainstream parts sell better.

If your focus is gaming, remember an i5 matches an i7 and that about 30%+ of your build (at this price point) should be on graphics.


I have no intention of selling the computer i build anytime in the near future, but what do you mean the mainstream parts sell better?

Also, I am trying to hold out until ivy bridge and the new nvidia cards come out

And can anyone answer the aforementioned questions?

-Thanks!
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February 23, 2012 4:17:34 AM

ForeverHeartless said:
I am planning on putting together a gaming desktop within the next two month or so. My purchase date hinges on when ivy bride is released and when the new nvidia cards are released. That said, I have begun researching and compiling the other parts of the build. I am having trouble narrowing down the components and I have two or three possibilities for some of the components such as the motherboard. I will list my selected parts below, please help me decide. :) 

I do need all components for a computer, including a mouse and keyboard. Also, the monitor selected has no speakers so I may need to purchase some of those as well. I do have a headset for gaming but I doubt that will suffice.

All suggestions are welcome, don't hesitate to tell me something is too overpriced or unnecessary, but please link me to a better option.

-Thanks!

________________________________________________________

Case

Option 1 - Corsair Obsidian Series 650D - $179.99

Option 2 - Corsair Carbide Series 400R - $99.99

Option 3 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R - $128.54

Due to the fact that I am a first time computer builder I would like to get a user-friendly case that isn't too difficult to assemble. Are there any really prominent differences between the cases?

CPU Cooler

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO - $34.99

Keyboard

RAZER Black USB Wired BlackWidow - $111.99

Lefty Mouse

RAZER DeathAdder - $59.99

Memory

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB - $46.99

Monitor

ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" - $199.99

Motherboard

Option 1 - ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 - $149.99

Option 2 - ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 - $121.99

Option 3 - ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 - $189.99

Can all of these motherboards support ivy bridge and the upcoming nvidia graphics cards? Also, what are the major differences in these three motherboards?

Operating System

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - $99.99

PSU

Option 1 - CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 750W - $149.99

Option 2 - Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 750-Watt - $114.49

Are there any significant differences between these two PSUs? I need modular because as a novice pc builder I don't want to deal with a non-modular PSU.

HDD/SSD

I am waiting until I purchase the CPU and GPU before I buy these because both will be priced lower.

________________________________________________________

-Heartless



If you are waiting for the release of Ivy Bridge CPU then, Wait also for the arrival of Z77 chipset motherboard. Although the Ivy Bridge CPU are also compatible with the board you listed. The equation is: New CPU=New MOBO.
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February 23, 2012 4:19:40 AM

aqe040466 said:
If you are waiting for the release of Ivy Bridge CPU then, Wait also for the arrival of Z77 chipset motherboard. Although the Ivy Bridge CPU are also compatible with the board you listed. The equation is: New CPU=New MOBO.


when are the ivy bridge chips and the Z77 motherboard suspected to be released?
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a c 288 4 Gaming
February 23, 2012 4:41:25 AM

ForeverHeartless said:
I actually found a basic usb keyboard and mouse in my closet and those will work fine for the time being. Im still unclear on the motherboards, why is there a $70 difference between some of the ones i chose, dont they all do the same thing? Are the more expensive ones simply more relaible/better built?

Also, I watched a few indepth videos on assembling a computer and it lead me to a series of questions.

- - - - - - -

Best/easiest way to install thermal paste on the cpu for an aftermarket cpu cooler?

How do you know which drivers need to be updated/installed and how do you know if youve missed any?

Which is the best anti-virus program?

- - - - - - -

-Thanks!


1. All you need is a dab of thermal paste and then use a lint-free cloth or your finger to spread it around.

2. Your motherboard and graphics card will come with driver discs - those are the ones you really need to install. Pretty much all peripherals will come with their own drivers as well. Most update automatically anymore. It's always wise to perform a BIOS update on your motherboard once you get the build up and running.

3. That varies - I use Vipre and really like it. Bit Defender is a pretty decent program as well. Norton and McAfee are the worst though. Norton used to be the best but once they switched to the Norton 360 format it turned into a huge resource hog. I like Vipre because it uses very minimal resources and can run in the background without using a lot of RAM. AVG is also a really good anti virus program as well.

4. As far as the motherboard goes - some have different feature sets over others. It's best to research and compare the ones that have the features you want to use - if you plan to ultimately run an SLI setup or run say, 32GB of RAM, you need to buy a motherboard that will have those features.
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February 23, 2012 4:42:45 AM

ForeverHeartless said:
when are the ivy bridge chips and the Z77 motherboard suspected to be released?


There are some rumors that it will be released on April but, Intel will ship it by bulk on the market until June.

I also stumbled on one article here in Tom's Hardware about the introduction of Z77 by BIOSTAR. I suggest go to their websites and searh about the release and features of this new Z77 chipset MOBO.
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February 23, 2012 4:46:01 AM

ForeverHeartless said:
I have no intention of selling the computer i build anytime in the near future, but what do you mean the mainstream parts sell better?

Also, I am trying to hold out until ivy bridge and the new nvidia cards come out

And can anyone answer the aforementioned questions?

-Thanks!
I mean that it's a lot easier to sell a $40 keyboard for $30 than a $110 keyboard for $80.

I strongly agree with waiting for Kepler and Ivy Bridge. What are you gaming on right now, btw?
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February 23, 2012 4:47:58 AM

g-unit1111 said:
1. All you need is a dab of thermal paste and then use a lint-free cloth or your finger to spread it around.

2. Your motherboard and graphics card will come with driver discs - those are the ones you really need to install. Pretty much all peripherals will come with their own drivers as well. Most update automatically anymore. It's always wise to perform a BIOS update on your motherboard once you get the build up and running.

3. That varies - I use Vipre and really like it. Bit Defender is a pretty decent program as well. Norton and McAfee are the worst though. Norton used to be the best but once they switched to the Norton 360 format it turned into a huge resource hog. I like Vipre because it uses very minimal resources and can run in the background without using a lot of RAM. AVG is also a really good anti virus program as well.

4. As far as the motherboard goes - some have different feature sets over others. It's best to research and compare the ones that have the features you want to use - if you plan to ultimately run an SLI setup or run say, 32GB of RAM, you need to buy a motherboard that will have those features.


how do you do a BIOS update?

i saw a video where someone simply downloaded the drivers for his hardware off the sites of the manufacturers instead of the actually driver discs, is that just as effective?

and for the motherboard I do not plan to sli/cf, and i doubt id ever go over 16gb of ram
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February 23, 2012 4:49:56 AM

dalauder said:
I mean that it's a lot easier to sell a $40 keyboard for $30 than a $110 keyboard for $80.

I strongly agree with waiting for Kepler and Ivy Bridge. What are you gaming on right now, btw?


xbox 360 /shame

my computer is an 07 iMac, and I am quite deprived of gaming at the moment :fou: 

I primarily want to play guild wars 2 on this computer build, which won't be out for another 2 months or so..but the open beta sign-ups just started and I can't participate..sigh..haha
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February 23, 2012 4:56:45 AM

Most the thermal interface material (TIM) guieds I've seen lately say to put a dot or line (depending on architecture) and let the heatsink spread it out: http://www.arcticsilver.com/instructions.htm

Z77 is coming sometime in Q2.

I use Avast! Antivirus. I've seen AVG used a lot and I'm satisfied with that. Microsoft Security Essentials is actually solid too. All are free.I assume g-unit's suggestions are solid as well.
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February 23, 2012 5:02:07 AM

ForeverHeartless said:
xbox 360 /shame

my computer is an 07 iMac, and I am quite deprived of gaming at the moment :fou: 

I primarily want to play guild wars 2 on this computer build, which won't be out for another 2 months or so..but the open beta sign-ups just started and I can't participate..sigh..haha
Well the 360 should hold you over 'til Ivy Bridge and Kepler.

As far as SLI/Cfx, consider all the questions here too: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...
Most moderate to high-end mobos support SLI & crossfire

Updating a bios...well that's a bit of a pain. You *shouldn't* update from Windows. You should do it from a disc. I always use a flash stick though, which I find easiest. You'll need to download something like HP USB Disk image format tool, Windows 98 system files, and awdflash (or amiflash if it's not an Award bios). It's a pain when you're not used to it and easy once you are. You'll need a basic understanding of DOS or command prompts.

I ALWAYS get ALL my drivers off of the Internet. The sole exception in my last 20 or so Windows installations is with this wireless Printer I have that uses some proprietary software.
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February 23, 2012 5:15:28 AM

dalauder said:
Well the 360 should hold you over 'til Ivy Bridge and Kepler.

As far as SLI/Cfx, consider all the questions here too: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...
Most moderate to high-end mobos support SLI & crossfire

Updating a bios...well that's a bit of a pain. You *shouldn't* update from Windows. You should do it from a disc. I always use a flash stick though, which I find easiest. You'll need to download something like HP USB Disk image format tool, Windows 98 system files, and awdflash (or amiflash if it's not an Award bios). It's a pain when you're not used to it and easy once you are. You'll need a basic understanding of DOS or command prompts.

I ALWAYS get ALL my drivers off of the Internet. The sole exception in my last 20 or so Windows installations is with this wireless Printer I have that uses some proprietary software.


I don't think id be able to update the bios, is it a mandatory thing to do before using the computer?
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February 23, 2012 5:17:19 AM

ForeverHeartless said:
I don't think id be able to update the bios, is it a mandatory thing to do before using the computer?
Not mandatory. But it is definitely something you are capable of doing. Just start a new thread (and PM me) when you want to do it. I'll post all the links.

You can just check the manufacturer's website when you get the motherboard in and compare the version the bios has with what's available on the website. If none of the updates seem to address any issues pertinent to you, you really don't have to update it.
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February 23, 2012 1:21:02 PM

dalauder said:
Not mandatory. But it is definitely something you are capable of doing. Just start a new thread (and PM me) when you want to do it. I'll post all the links.

You can just check the manufacturer's website when you get the motherboard in and compare the version the bios has with what's available on the website. If none of the updates seem to address any issues pertinent to you, you really don't have to update it.


okay thanks, is there any way to know/check if you missed downloading a necessary driver online?

also, what do you think about the 3-4 motherboards in this discussion, do you prefer/recommend one over another?

-thanks!
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February 23, 2012 1:36:48 PM

Let me just drop in and say the Corsair 500r is an awesome case, so much ROOM and it looks looks so cool. The ventilation on it is very good as well. How do i know? I own one. :) 
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February 23, 2012 10:14:13 PM

Luckster said:
Let me just drop in and say the Corsair 500r is an awesome case, so much ROOM and it looks looks so cool. The ventilation on it is very good as well. How do i know? I own one. :) 


i looked up the white version of the 500r and it is simply awesome, I have decided that that is the one. Its also only $121 compared to the obsidian series $180

Any recommendations for the hdd and ssd?

-thanks!

also im reposting my aforementioned questions

"okay thanks, is there any way to know/check if you missed downloading a necessary driver online?

also, what do you think about the 3-4 motherboards in this discussion, do you prefer/recommend one over another?"
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February 23, 2012 11:20:47 PM

ForeverHeartless said:
okay thanks, is there any way to know/check if you missed downloading a necessary driver online?

also, what do you think about the 3-4 motherboards in this discussion, do you prefer/recommend one over another?

-thanks!
Just go to device manager and see if anything has the yellow caution or question mark symbols. Other than that, if there's anything you know you should have (like Virtu), go download it. You'll also want to update the graphics drivers.

Motherbaords--I haven't commented because you'll probably be buying a Z77 motherboard anyways, so the discussion is irrelevant. If you do get anything else, it'll be a Z68. Stick to Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock, or maybe MSI or EVGA. It's only worth getting an expensive one if you're a hardcore overclocker. Otherwise, Gigabyte's SLI capable $110 Z68 boards will do.
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February 24, 2012 1:29:06 AM

As far as the HDD--I wouldn't get one until price drops unless you find something like the 1TB drive Staples had on sale for $55 earlier this week.

SSD--I personally would get the OCZ Agility 3 120GB that's like $110 lately. But a lot of people don't trust sandforce.

EDIT: Agility 3
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February 24, 2012 3:10:38 AM

dalauder said:
As far as the HDD--I wouldn't get one until price drops unless you find something like the 1TB drive Staples had on sale for $55 earlier this week.

SSD--I personally would get the OCZ Agility 2 120GB that's like $110 lately. But a lot of people don't trust sandforce.


im kind of leaning towards just buying a z68 board, i5-2500k, and a 580 or a 7950, because there really isn't any date on when ivy bridge, the z77 board, and the nvidia cards come out right? Is it really worth it to wait? Im not even sure if i could afford the new stuff if it is ridiculously expensive..
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February 24, 2012 4:07:40 AM

My bad--I meant to say Agility 3 earlier.

You can buy whatever parts you want. So you can go buy those now if you want to. But keep in mind that you're gaming on an Xbox 360 right now. That means that you'd see a significant graphics boost if you started using an i3-2100 and Radeon 6670.

My point is that I've got a GTX 570 (overclocked manually) and I can pretty much max out Metro 2033 on 1080p. And maxing out Metro 2033 is a performance hit beyond default "Very High" settings. A GTX 580 is pretty much overkill for any single 1080p screen system while being a big jump up in price with some hefty power usage. (Okay, I'll admit that BF3 and, moreso, Crysis 2 can use most of its power). Given the option, I'd definitely choose a 7950 first, but I really expect the 7870 to be the sweet spot and Kepler to make things more interesting.

Ivy Bridge is supposedly launching in April, but it might not have good availability until June or so.

I only buy things on sale, so if you don't care so much about that, then you need to consider my bias. I only own a GTX 570 because I got it for $200 shipped a couple months back.
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February 24, 2012 4:46:12 AM

dalauder said:
My bad--I meant to say Agility 3 earlier.

You can buy whatever parts you want. So you can go buy those now if you want to. But keep in mind that you're gaming on an Xbox 360 right now. That means that you'd see a significant graphics boost if you started using an i3-2100 and Radeon 6670.

My point is that I've got a GTX 570 (overclocked manually) and I can pretty much max out Metro 2033 on 1080p. And maxing out Metro 2033 is a performance hit beyond default "Very High" settings. A GTX 580 is pretty much overkill for any single 1080p screen system while being a big jump up in price with some hefty power usage. (Okay, I'll admit that BF3 and, moreso, Crysis 2 can use most of its power). Given the option, I'd definitely choose a 7950 first, but I really expect the 7870 to be the sweet spot and Kepler to make things more interesting.

Ivy Bridge is supposedly launching in April, but it might not have good availability until June or so.

I only buy things on sale, so if you don't care so much about that, then you need to consider my bias. I only own a GTX 570 because I got it for $200 shipped a couple months back.


so do you suggest I disregard the upcoming parts and just buy now? my budget is like $1500-1600
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February 24, 2012 9:11:11 PM

I am strongly considering getting an i5 2500k and a z68 board for now, and then upgrade to ivy bridge in maybe 6 months...this bring up the question of which gpu. Should I get either the 7970 or 7950, or should I go for the older cards like the 580 or a 6970?

If anyone can find easy ways to shave off a little of the price of my build so far so I can put more into getting the gpu all suggestions are welcome!

all help is greatly appreciated,

-thanks!
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February 24, 2012 11:14:39 PM

I have decided upon that oc'ed 7950 that i just linked to my build, it is pretty expensive, will that z68 board be able to handle it? Also, is that board i have listed good quality, why is it like $40 less than the others?

-thanks!

edit: I can't decide between those two cases, can anyone help me out?
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February 25, 2012 2:27:04 AM

ForeverHeartless said:
I am planning on putting together a gaming desktop within the next two month or so. My purchase date hinges on when ivy bride is released and when the new nvidia cards are released. That said, I have begun researching and compiling the other parts of the build. I am having trouble narrowing down the components and I have two or three possibilities for some of the components such as the motherboard. I will list my selected parts below, please help me decide. :) 

I do need all components for a computer, including a mouse and keyboard. Also, the monitor selected has no speakers so I may need to purchase some of those as well. I do have a headset for gaming but I doubt that will suffice.

All suggestions are welcome, don't hesitate to tell me something is too overpriced or unnecessary, but please link me to a better option.

-Thanks!

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Case

Option 1 - Corsair Obsidian Series 650D - $179.99

Option 2 - Corsair Carbide Series 400R - $99.99

Option 3 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R - $128.54

Option 4 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R White - $129.03

Option 5 - NZXT Phantom White Steel - $129.99

CPU Cooler

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO - $34.99

Keyboard

RAZER Black USB Wired BlackWidow - $111.99

Lefty Mouse

RAZER DeathAdder - $59.99

Memory

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB - $46.99

Monitor

ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" - $199.99

Motherboard

Option 1 - ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 - $149.99

Option 2 - ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 - $121.99

Option 3 - ASUS P8Z68-V/GEN3 - $189.99

Operating System

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - $99.99

PSU

Option 1 - CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 750W - $149.99

Option 2 - Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 750-Watt - $114.49

HDD/SSD

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $129.99

Mushkin Enhanced Chronos 120GB SATA III SSD - $142.99

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz - $224.99

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7950 3GB - $479.99

Crucial M4 64GB - $89.99

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Projected Price: $1,708
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-Heartless


Stick with the Corsair TX for $114. It's modular and it's a steal at that price. It's a fine line as far as efficiency goes between Gold, Silver, and Bronze.

The Corsair 500R would be an obvious choice for the fact it has better cooling than the NZXT and it has multiple fan controllers along with dust filters. That case comes with front 3.0 USB ports, so if you want to take advantage of them then you want the Asrock P67 exteme 4 Gen 3. If you don't feel the need to ever use them then the exteme3 gen3.

Also I would look into a 120GB SSD for the fact your going to find that 64GB SSD lacking. Here's a few cost cutters without cutting performance and quality to put you into a larger SSD while still keeping within your budget.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Enthusiast-Certified-Perf... $113.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 750-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified High Performance Modular Power Supply CP-9020003-NA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $35.99 FREE SHIPPING
Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory with heatshield Model PSD38G1600KH

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $142.99 FREE SHIPPING
Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD%C2%B1RW-Serial-Intern... $20.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Asus 24xDVD±RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-LCD-Monit... $182.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS VS247H-P 23.6-Inch LCD Monitor - Black
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February 25, 2012 5:26:59 AM

Why_Me said:
Stick with the Corsair TX for $114. It's modular and it's a steal at that price. It's a fine line as far as efficiency goes between Gold, Silver, and Bronze.

The Corsair 500R would be an obvious choice for the fact it has better cooling than the NZXT and it has multiple fan controllers along with dust filters. That case comes with front 3.0 USB ports, so if you want to take advantage of them then you want the Asrock P67 exteme 4 Gen 3. If you don't feel the need to ever use them then the exteme3 gen3.

Also I would look into a 120GB SSD for the fact your going to find that 64GB SSD lacking. Here's a few cost cutters without cutting performance and quality to put you into a larger SSD while still keeping within your budget.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Enthusiast-Certified-Perf... $113.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 750-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified High Performance Modular Power Supply CP-9020003-NA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $35.99 FREE SHIPPING
Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory with heatshield Model PSD38G1600KH

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $142.99 FREE SHIPPING
Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD%C2%B1RW-Serial-Intern... $20.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Asus 24xDVD±RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-LCD-Monit... $182.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS VS247H-P 23.6-Inch LCD Monitor - Black


thank you for your input, I will make the corresponding upgrades, i dropped the ssd down because I'm $200 over my budget due to the monitor, I might have to shell out more than I wanted to so I can get it all...what do you think of the mobo? Should I go for a little more expensive one to run the 7950?

-Heartless

edit: which of those two monitors are better for gaming? Since they are so close in price I could go with either one.

second edit: I have switched to the p67, other thoughts?
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February 25, 2012 1:44:25 PM

Is it worth it to go for the 7950? I could save $140 by going with the 570, although will the drop in performance be significant?

I may extend my budget to accommodate the card, I'm only $187 over the top so its not too bad.
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February 25, 2012 4:55:02 PM

ForeverHeartless said:
Is it worth it to go for the 7950? I could save $140 by going with the 570, although will the drop in performance be significant?

I may extend my budget to accommodate the card, I'm only $187 over the top so its not too bad.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-over... <------ 7950 vs gtx 580

You can cut cost by going with the z68 extreme3 gen3....you will still have 2 x 3,0 USB ports in the back which is good, and some peeps on here say that running the cord from the board header to the front of the case for front 3.0 USB ports blocks the air flow. And take a look at the Corsair Carbide 400R. Great case for $100 and free shipping at amazon, also look at the Cooler Master 922 HAF.

The only difference between the monitor I linked from amazon and they one you linked from newegg is one is 24" and the one I linked is 23.5". Otherwise they are identical. That one I linked is $182 + free shipping. Another good monitor is this 22" monitor down below. It's new on the market, it's 2ms and it's bad to the bone.


http://www.amazon.com/ML228H-22-Inch-Ultra-Slim-Widescr... <----- this one
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February 25, 2012 5:01:37 PM

Why_Me said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-over... <------ 7950 vs gtx 580

You can cut cost by going with the z68 extreme3 gen3....you will still have 2 x 3,0 USB ports in the back which is good, and some peeps on here say that running the cord from the board header to the front of the case for front 3.0 USB ports blocks the air flow. And take a look at the Corsair Carbide 400R. Great case for $100 and free shipping at amazon, also look at the Cooler Master 922 HAF.

The only difference between the monitor I linked from amazon and they one you linked from newegg is one is 24" and the one I linked is 23.5". Otherwise they are identical. That one I linked is $182 + free shipping. Another good monitor is this 22" monitor down below. It's new on the market, it's 2ms and it's bad to the bone.


http://www.amazon.com/ML228H-22-Inch-Ultra-Slim-Widescr... <----- this one


are the other two monitors 2ms as well?

also, in your opinion do you think its worth it to go for the 7950, or pick up a 560 Ti and i guess update later? My budget allows either one, I just want to weigh the pros and cons of going with either card.

Since the optical drive is OEM do I need to get a data cable to connect it to the motherboard?

Getting close to purchase date, finally nearing the finish line :) 

edit: I looked at those benchmarks, is it just me or is the 7950 behind the 570 and 580 in fps? I thought it was faster??
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February 25, 2012 6:30:06 PM

ForeverHeartless said:
are the other two monitors 2ms as well?

also, in your opinion do you think its worth it to go for the 7950, or pick up a 560 Ti and i guess update later? My budget allows either one, I just want to weigh the pros and cons of going with either card.

Since the optical drive is OEM do I need to get a data cable to connect it to the motherboard?

Getting close to purchase date, finally nearing the finish line :) 

edit: I looked at those benchmarks, is it just me or is the 7950 behind the 570 and 580 in fps? I thought it was faster??

Ivy Bridge is due out in April, so it's tough call atm. All those monitors are 2ms, which is good for gaming...less chances of tearing. The MSI 560 ti 448 Core is an awesome card. When over clocked it comes close to running on par with a stock gtx 580. It goes for around $300 on newegg, and a 750w psu will push two of those cards.
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February 25, 2012 6:40:57 PM

Why_Me said:
Ivy Bridge is due out in April, so it's tough call atm. All those monitors are 2ms, which is good for gaming...less chances of tearing. The MSI 560 ti 448 Core is an awesome card. When over clocked it comes close to running on par with a stock gtx 580. It goes for around $300 on newegg, and a 750w psu will push two of those cards.


i have no clue how to overclock, is it a simple process? Also, is the 7950 faster than the 580?

Im still leaning towards the 7950 simply because I can pair it with ivy bridge in around 6 months or something. Although since the 560 is like $150 cheaper that might be a better route.
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February 25, 2012 7:19:15 PM

okay I just purchased the seagate 1tb hdd, the thermal compound, the os, the cpu cooler, the case, and the optical drive because those are not the components in a state of flux :) 
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February 26, 2012 8:23:10 PM

ForeverHeartless said:
so do you suggest I disregard the upcoming parts and just buy now? my budget is like $1500-1600
Thanks Why_Me for helping this guy out while I was MIA. Here's what I typed Thursday:

No, I strongly suggest you wait until Ivy Bridge launches in April and let the 7800 series or Kepler come out.

If you absolutely cannot wait, I suggest you buy an i3-2100 (which is solid and gaming and a HUGE upgrade from XBox 360) and a $160 Z68 SLI/Crossfire capable motherboard. And buy a 6950 to go with that.

Then just drop in whatever the Ivy Bridge replacement of the i5-2500K is and sell of the i3-2100 at then-current market prices. That, or pick up an H61 board and give the i3 build to your Dad. And add a second 6950 when prices bottom out after the 7800/Kepler launch. Or sell the 6950 and upgrade. That is, if you can even come up with a reason a single 6950 is insufficient.

But I firmly believe that buying a GTX 580 right now to be a pretty lousy buy. I can't find a reason my i7-930 at home is inadequate for anything right now, so an out-of-date high-end CPU is less of a negative than an out-of-date high-end GPU in my opinion.

Btw, do you have a Micro Center nearby?


There are a lot of options available to you. Keep in mind that compared to your Xbox 360 a GTX 460 768MB would look amazing paired with an i3-2100. So a GTX 580/7950 may well be overkill.
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February 26, 2012 8:29:57 PM

Why_Me said:
Another good monitor is this 22" monitor down below. It's new on the market, it's 2ms and it's bad to the bone.


http://www.amazon.com/ML228H-22-Inch-Ultra-Slim-Widescr... <----- this one
There's no question that 22" is the sweet spot for price on monitors right now. I personally don't notice much of a difference between my 22" monitor and 24" TV so I really don't think it's worth sacrificing a 120GB SSD for the monitor. But it's your money OP, so you'll have to make the call.
ForeverHeartless said:
i have no clue how to overclock, is it a simple process? Also, is the 7950 faster than the 580?

Im still leaning towards the 7950 simply because I can pair it with ivy bridge in around 6 months or something. Although since the 560 is like $150 cheaper that might be a better route.
Once you go to top end stuff (better than 6870), there are very clear diminishing returns on price/performance. My cutoff is the 6950.

If you have no idea how to overclock, then I see no reason why you need a really expensive motherboard. Stick to Z68 over P67--that I can assure you is a better route. Other than that, I honestly think a $130 Gigabyte Z68 SLI-capable motherboard would suite all your needs. However, the ASRock Extreme3 Gen3 is such an excellent board, I do not want to discourage you from getting that.

Earlier you questioned if a cheap motherboard could handle the 7950. A $55 H61 board could handle the 7950. Your issues will lie more with your PSU or possibly CPU--but your Corsair PSU and Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge CPU make sure that won't be a problem.

Btw, RAM manufacturers are supposed to be ramping up production, so look for those prices to drop a couple bucks.


Do you have a Micro Center nearby?
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February 26, 2012 11:22:44 PM

ForeverHeartless said:
okay I just purchased the seagate 1tb hdd, the thermal compound, the os, the cpu cooler, the case, and the optical drive because those are not the components in a state of flux :) 
HDD prices are DEFINITELY in flux.
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