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Monitoring Temp, Output, Overclocking

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December 26, 2011 3:46:51 AM

Hello,

I own an HP a6203w Desktop, with 4 gigs of ram, a Thermaltake TR2 430W PSU, and an ATI Radeon 5450 1Gig graphics card. The card is fanless and operates off of the PCI slots power. I am curious as to what free software/apps I can get for my computer/desktop that I can use to watch/monitor the temperature of the card, output of it, and possible what I need to know about the catalyst control center, I'm completely new to this and this is my first video card setup.

Can I overclock it at all?
Also, how about monitor for CPU temp?
Any other key components of my PC that I should have a monitoring system for temperature and output setup?
If so where to download?

Thanks for all the help.
December 26, 2011 10:16:19 PM

Okay, what is the ideal temp for all of my stuff to be at, Cpu, gpu etc, also i have an open spot at the back bottom of my pc for what looks to be a large fan (it is a large mesh covering with screw holes and nothing there. idk much about fans, would it just be pulling hot air out of case? Only other fan I have is CPU fan. It is a quiet system.
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 26, 2011 11:22:24 PM

Your temps should at idle should be around 30c to 35c for GPU and CPU. Now depending on the size of your case you should have one fan blowing out hot air and a fan putting in cold.

I have 7 case fan's to run in my rig 3 of them to exspell hot air out and 4 to bring cold air in. My Temps on cpu and gpu run idle at 25c but I also have water cooling for my CPU. When I game My GPU Temps get up to 60c to 70c My CPU gets 50c to 60c max.

I would be thinking about getting a expanston fan that plugs in to a slot like your card is now and it will just blow on your card or up grade your card to something better. And if you want to do that we can adress that later.
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December 27, 2011 3:25:59 AM

I have an expansion drive at the front I know, can I use that for like a HDD fan or something? and the case fan at the back. The only other slot I have I think is a PCI e x1
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December 27, 2011 2:27:04 PM

Okay, I did the software and it comes out at 50 to 53 C at idle, I haven't tested the load yet. Isn't that a bit high? I know I'm getting a fan for the rear of the case, what else can I do? Considering cost is a problem and I only have this PSU and GPU because I got them for christmas. Sigh. I don't want this stuff to overheat or die when I just got them. Is there anyway to rig a failsafe for my comp to shutdown under high heat?
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 27, 2011 10:35:46 PM

nfarnham2001 said:
I have an expansion drive at the front I know, can I use that for like a HDD fan or something? and the case fan at the back. The only other slot I have I think is a PCI e x1


No you can't. I am talking about the rear of your computer the slots back there. Here is an example that I am talking about.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Your temps are not normal at idle they should be at the very most 40c. So when you game they are going to be higher than you want. Also make sure all of the dust is cleaned out Then figure out what size fans you need but after looking at your Hp on line I think the biggest fan you can get is 120mm but you can try to get 80mm would be your best bet. You really need air flow.

I have had to learn the hard way with my Dell inspiron 580. I burned out my GT 220 and almost my i3 CPU. I now have a Gt 430 in it but I don't game with it just photo's and stuff like that. I game with this one I am on now.
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December 28, 2011 2:07:47 AM

Yeah i am going to take time today to redo the idle and load test. I will do a test under load with WoW on max, and then Duke Nukem Forever on max, and see where that gets me. On testing at idle, check it at PC startup, after it has been idling for how long? Also, why the 80mm fan? besides that one fan for the expansion slot, what else can I do that is cheap? How much power will that draw from my PSU? (sorry about all the questions I'm just trying to cover ALL my bases because I can't have this thing burn up.
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December 28, 2011 2:21:17 AM

Also, at what point should I be concerned? what is the breaking point for cards temp wise? And are there any heatsink things, or new heatsinks I can put on it? or heatsink fans?
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 28, 2011 2:22:08 AM

There is also another thing with MSI afterburner it is called MSI Kombustor. You can go back to there web site and down load it to help benchmark and test your GPU. I use it all the time and it gives you the numbers more right on.
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December 28, 2011 2:41:23 AM

Okay and on the afterburner it has a fan speed control even though I have a heatsink on my video card. I just did it under load on both games and the peak at full settings for 30 minutes of play full screen was 74 C. Should i max out the fan speed before I go into gaming? Nothing is overclocked at all.
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December 28, 2011 2:49:57 AM

K, with Kombustor it never rose above 68, with the burn in, and full test with AA full on and post effects full on with full screen at 1680 by 1050.
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 28, 2011 3:09:32 AM

nfarnham2001 said:
K, with Kombustor it never rose above 68, with the burn in, and full test with AA full on and post effects full on with full screen at 1680 by 1050.


Hey will looking good allso in the property's on afterburner set the fan chart to increace as the temps rise like setting way points so you don't have to do it by hand.
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December 28, 2011 3:11:13 AM

okay but what fan? my card has a metal heat sink, no fan...
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 28, 2011 3:19:33 AM

Oh that sucks well just watch your temps at all times or mabe you can get a fan that fits in a slot like your pci slots. Go and look under newegg.com under cooling you will find one for about 12 dollars. I saw one today on there. sorry about the fan heat sink thing. good luck to you
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December 28, 2011 3:29:32 AM

Yeah I mean, the fan control option is available, that is what I don't understand...shouldn't it NOT be available to me, if the card didn't have a fan?
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December 29, 2011 2:42:01 AM

Okay thanks. Last question. Can I setup an autoshutdown for when my card reaches a certain temp? What temp is UNSAFE? above 70 or what?
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 29, 2011 2:47:29 AM

I don't know for sure on that but your rig should throttle down when is peaks out but you should be able to watch your temps on any gaming you do, when you are surfing it does not get hot enough to worry about
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December 29, 2011 8:48:22 PM

Okay, on another subject entirely, what would be the next good step up from that video card that I could fit and run in that PC? How about overclocking that card once I have proper cooling measures? Is there a large benefit to overclock? Also my processor, will it risk bottlenecking at only 2.3ghz Dual Core? I have thought about getting a new MoBo/CPU
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 29, 2011 11:50:44 PM

There isn't much more you can do. To get a card that you can OC you need a better PSU and CPU. But for what you have a 6570 or a 6670 would be the most but I am not sure about the bottlenecking and OC.

If you are going to do all the changes maybe you should look into a new build. Any bigger cards will bottleneck and burn your system up. I have three links you can look at. Maybe they might be of some help

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-rade...

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/amd-rad...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-ca...
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December 30, 2011 12:22:36 AM

okay, well my main concern right now is the temp concern, i'm peaking at 79 celcius with wow, not even at full settings, this is is scaring me...>.<
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 30, 2011 1:05:36 AM

nfarnham2001 said:
okay, well my main concern right now is the temp concern, i'm peaking at 79 celcius with wow, not even at full settings, this is is scaring me...>.<


I would be worried to. Get the 12.00 dollar expantion fan I linked you to but you can take the side of your case off and put a desk fan and point it at your GPU that should help you bring dowm the Temps. Your GPU wasn't ment to play those types of games but it can and Is done all the time.
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December 30, 2011 1:43:56 AM

Okay, should I stop for now or what? dammit...sigh. Will that fan help enough? that one single fan?
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December 30, 2011 1:50:44 AM

Also, how good of a job would it do to get a small oscilating fan or something and turn it on the side of my pc case with case open and turn it on full blast, would that help more than that PCI expansion slot fan ya think?
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 30, 2011 2:04:58 AM

nfarnham2001 said:
Also, how good of a job would it do to get a small oscilating fan or something and turn it on the side of my pc case with case open and turn it on full blast, would that help more than that PCI expansion slot fan ya think?


Yes just a direct fan with constant air on it. I had to do that for my first Dell untill I was able to build my own. Just watch your temps do your stress test and adjust which works better.
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December 30, 2011 2:16:44 AM

Okay, a direct fan, that wont hurt anything will it? Dust or anything? Also, my PC tower is in a computer desk, kinda like this | 0 | the 0 is my computer and the | are walls of desk, the front and rear are open, I could push it to one side like |0 | and have the fan blowing in at an angle at the open side, that has to help some right?
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 30, 2011 2:30:05 AM

Like I said you have to adjust. your PSU CPU and Your GPU and your HD and some parts of the MOBO and ram are all heat producers. CPU's GPU's and your PSU they are the ones that make the most heat.

So a fan blowing in from out side the case to in you will be keeping them cooler than they would be. If anything it will keep blowing the dust out.

Maybe if you put your computer |/| like that with the fan pointing from the front to the back, it should work if you have enough room to put it at an angle. You are smart I know you will figure something out
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December 30, 2011 2:40:38 AM

Yeah Thanks for all the help man, you've been a lifesaver.
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 30, 2011 3:11:54 AM

Your very welcome.
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December 30, 2011 3:54:20 AM

okay just real quick, case open, it hasn't moved from 76 and 77. under load. suppose that is good.
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 30, 2011 7:14:35 PM

ya sorta of. It is to close to 80c and I make is a rule not to go over 80c to be on the safe side. Just use caution at those temps.
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December 30, 2011 10:38:11 PM

Okay, got an 80mm case fan and ran it in Kombuster at max settings, with the demo mode, for an hour, and it peaked at 68C, no higher. stayed at around 60 to 63, how is that?
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December 30, 2011 10:44:59 PM

Also, on the Case fan, it has a little switch to change the speed, LMH, is there anyway I can change this from my PC or desktop?
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a c 181 U Graphics card
December 31, 2011 12:28:17 AM

nfarnham2001 said:
Okay, got an 80mm case fan and ran it in Kombuster at max settings, with the demo mode, for an hour, and it peaked at 68C, no higher. stayed at around 60 to 63, how is that?


That is very good When I play Shogun 2 everything max out my highest temp with high FPS gets to about 59c and on the campain map my temps are about 64c. So you are good to go :bounce: 
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December 31, 2011 1:46:44 AM

Sweet, thanks again man, it will get even cooler in the future :D . *bows*
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