E4300 & E6300 Gaming

[Aussie_Dan]

I'm probably going to get a new PC soon. Mainly for gaming. Games like F.E.A.R, Call of Duty, Doom 3, Quake 4.
I'm wondering if the E4300 or E6300 will run the games well with 1 or 2 gig ram and a nVidia 7900GS. Not overclocked. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[apt403]

There pretty much identical performance wise, i would get the E4300 since its cheaper. Definatly get 2gb of ram, no question about it. Instead of the 7900gs i would get the 1950pro, a good deal more powerful and there only about $10 more.

 

[rammedstein]

that setup would be more than ample to play them games, maybe not the newer titles but they will run perfect

 

[Aussie_Dan]

Alright thanks alot.

 

[Aussie_Dan]

Yeah I am a bit scared of overclocking. But do you think with a decent case and a Zalman cooler overclocking would work well?

Also my budget would be around $900-1000 USD

 

[Aussie_Dan]

Sweet, thanks mate.

 

[Scougs]

Also, Intel's 65 nm process is capable of running 3.7-3.8 GHz as they have released older P4 CPUs running on this process technology at those speeds (albiet higher power than Core 2 Duo). Intel will put a 3 year warranty on their P4D's running on the same 65 nm process and these clock to 3.73 GHz. You can easily take your E4300 running at 1.8 GHz and run it at 2.4 GHz and you may notice 2 or 3 degree increase in CPU temperatures...

Jack

There is more to the clock limitations than the manufacturing process. The architecture also dictates how fast a CPU can be clocked. The pipeline design plays a big role. In Netburst (Pentium 4 architecture) they used a long pipeline which alowed each stage to run faster, however it also meant that it was harder to keep the pipeline busy.

 

[deceneu]

please excuse this intrusion , but i want to ask jack how do celerons D oc?
are they good ocers? I have a celeron d at 2,8 gigs 256 cache and a DS3 mobo 965g chipset, 512 ram A-data vitesta series
thanks

 

[1Tanker]

please excuse this intrusion , but i want to ask jack how do celerons D oc?
are they good ocers? I have a celeron d at 2,8 gigs 256 cache and a DS3 mobo 965g chipset, 512 ram A-data vitesta series
thanks

Sorry...i'm not Jack, but they overclock quite nicely. You should be able to get ~3.8GHz with a decent HS/F. GL

 

[1Tanker]

please excuse this intrusion , but i want to ask jack how do celerons D oc?
are they good ocers? I have a celeron d at 2,8 gigs 256 cache and a DS3 mobo 965g chipset, 512 ram A-data vitesta series
thanks

I don't have much experience with the Celeran D's, they are based on the Netburst core, so they should scale well --- the trick is the power is a linear function of the frequency and a quadradic function of the voltage, so if you need to increase Vcore to get higher clocks makes sure you have a good cooler.

Can you tell me the model number of the Celeron, I don't think Intel is making 65 nm celerons at the moment, the 90 nm part should be able to get well into the 3's on air from your starting position but I will caution you on the cooling.Yeah they do, and overclock like an animal. I think it was JoeFriday that has shown results on them....Apparently hitting 5GHz.


Celeron D 347

 

[deceneu]

the cpu is a celeron D 336

 

[deceneu]

please excuse this intrusion , but i want to ask jack how do celerons D oc?
are they good ocers? I have a celeron d at 2,8 gigs 256 cache and a DS3 mobo 965g chipset, 512 ram A-data vitesta series
thanks

Sorry...i'm not Jack,

thats ok tank, no need to excuse.
do you have a link , so I can reed about getting this celeron to that kind of gigs? you mentioned somenthing but there is no link

thanks

 

[1Tanker]

please excuse this intrusion , but i want to ask jack how do celerons D oc?
are they good ocers? I have a celeron d at 2,8 gigs 256 cache and a DS3 mobo 965g chipset, 512 ram A-data vitesta series
thanks

Sorry...i'm not Jack,

thats ok tank, no need to excuse.
do you have a link , so I can reed about getting this celeron to that kind of gigs? you mentioned somenthing but there is no link

thanksKeep in mind that this is the s478 version, but that shouldn't make any difference.

3.80GHz

3.74GHz

I built my dad a Cel D340(2.93GHz) just over a year ago, and i put it in my P4C800E-Deluxe/XP-120. I only bumped the vCore to ~1.375v or 1.400v... a lot less than i could have, and i still got it to 3850(no proof though). Here's a low result...i didn't validate a CPU-Z shot, so you can just take my word for it, or not believe me(i don't lie).

 

[Scougs]

You are mildly correct, but lacking the understanding.... you don't want to argue with me on this one --- trust me

The point being, if intel is willing to slap a 3 year warrantee on a P4 on 65 nm running at 3.73 GHz and 100+ watts and 60+ deg C, then clocking a 65 nm core 2 duo to 2.4 GHz is not going to ruin the CPU.

Jack

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to deny what you were saying. I was saying that you didn't tell the whole story.

 

[zenmaster]

If you don't OC, then the 6300 will perform quite a bit better than the E4300 since the FSB of the E4300 is very low by default which can create some bottlenecks.

However, there is absolutely no reason to not OC these chips at least a moderate degree which will greatly increase FSB performance to a point at which there are not any serious bottleneck issues.

I have seen a number of tests with the E4300 and E6300 running at stock and the E6300 coming out well in the lead which is due to the FSB.

When these Chips are OC'ed with higher FSB speeds, the difference becomes very small at the same clock speed even though the E6300 needs a higher FSB to get to the same speed. The reason is that once the FSB goes from 200 to 333 or beyond, it is no longer a restraining factor in most cases.

 

[AdamBomb42]

If you plan on using linux then stick with nVidia.

 

[Aussie_Dan]

Sweet thanks for all your help.