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February 27, 2012 6:15:14 PM

Although it's never had a problem, I've outgrown my 9 year old Dell (long ago.) Since Dell quit making the XPS Studio 9100 they don't make a computer I'd want to buy. In fact, I can't find a pre-built unit anywhere that I'd want to buy. So build it, I must.

Here it is. Please critique it and tell me if there are any conflicting parts or other potential pitfalls or problem areas.

Approximate Purchase Date: Before March 15th

Budget Range: $1,500 after rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Business applications (MS Office, Peachtree accounting), video editing, gaming, photo editing

Parts Not Required: Speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, microcenter.com (have Microcenter store in my area.), amazon.com

Country: U.S.A.

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU, Radeon graphics card

Overclocking: Probably

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: First time builder. Want to future proof as much as possible. Can’t stand slow loading programs, hence the SSD. Might want to add TV tuner card later.


COMPONENT LIST

Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: ASRock Z68 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $134.99 at microcenter if bundled with an Intel i7 CPU; $174.99 at newegg.com
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel i7-2600K, $279.00
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus $23.79
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10...

PSU: Corsair Professional Series CMPSU-750HX (modular) $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB X 4 $96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(Would two sticks at 8 GB be better in case I want to eventually max out at 32GB Ram?)


Graphics: SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB $159.99 w/rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB SSD, $174.99 (was on special for $149.99 through yesterday!)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Data Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 SATA III, 6.0GB/s $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Drive: Lite-On DVD burner, $17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: Asus VE228H 21.5" Full HD HDMI $144.99. I am space limited otherwise I would probably get a 23” monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse: Logitech G400 Gaming Mouse $41.99 I have large hands so want a bigger mouse.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium $99.99


Thoughts?






February 27, 2012 6:22:19 PM

Config looks great, might need a more powerful PSU though, mabye 850W
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February 27, 2012 6:28:25 PM

case: cooler master haf x
mobo: asus p8z68-v pro
cpu: intel i5 2500k
cpu cooler: cooler master hyper 212 evo
video card: amd radeon hd 7950
ram: g.skill ripjaws x series 8gb ddr3-1600
hhd: western digital caviar black 1tb
ssd: corsair force series 3 60gb
psu: corsair ax650
optical drive: sony 24x multi
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February 27, 2012 6:28:40 PM

Why would he need 850W for that setup? Even if he had 2 of those GPU's in Crossfire he would be fine with 700W. The current setup would be fine with 500W.
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February 27, 2012 6:28:52 PM

Ex_Dell_User said:
Although it's never had a problem, I've outgrown my 9 year old Dell (long ago.) Since Dell quit making the XPS Studio 9100 they don't make a computer I'd want to buy. In fact, I can't find a pre-built unit anywhere that I'd want to buy. So build it, I must.

Here it is. Please critique it and tell me if there are any conflicting parts or other potential pitfalls or problem areas.

Approximate Purchase Date: Before March 15th

Budget Range: $1,500 after rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Business applications (MS Office, Peachtree accounting), video editing, gaming, photo editing

Parts Not Required: Speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, microcenter.com (have Microcenter store in my area.), amazon.com

Country: U.S.A.

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU, Radeon graphics card

Overclocking: Probably

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: First time builder. Want to future proof as much as possible. Can’t stand slow loading programs, hence the SSD. Might want to add TV tuner card later.


COMPONENT LIST

Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If that's the case you like then go for it

MOBO: ASRock Z68 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $134.99 at microcenter if bundled with an Intel i7 CPU; $174.99 at newegg.com
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
i5-2400 if no OC; i5-2500k if OC. i7 not worth the cost for your listed uses

CPU: Intel i7-2600K, $279.00
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
i5 as noted above

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus $23.79
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10...
Good

PSU: Corsair Professional Series CMPSU-750HX (modular) $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Honestly a 550w would be fine and if you are paranoid then 650w. Corsair or Seasonic or other high quality

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB X 4 $96.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2x4gb low profile 1.5v will do everything you need.

(Would two sticks at 8 GB be better in case I want to eventually max out at 32GB Ram?)


Graphics: SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB $159.99 w/rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Good card

Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB SSD, $174.99 (was on special for $149.99 through yesterday!)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Good brand choice. Remember that SSD's improve load speed not software speed

Data Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 SATA III, 6.0GB/s $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ok or a 500gb will last a long time unless you are a image hog

Optical Drive: Lite-On DVD burner, $17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Fine

Monitor: Asus VE228H 21.5" Full HD HDMI $144.99. I am space limited otherwise I would probably get a 23” monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As big as you can fit

Mouse: Logitech G400 Gaming Mouse $41.99 I have large hands so want a bigger mouse.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I use a G15 mouse and have very large hands

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium $99.99
Good but remember it will only be for this pc and can't be transfered or resused if you change mobo's


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February 27, 2012 6:32:25 PM

jmsellars1 said:
Why would he need 850W for that setup? Even if he had 2 of those GPU's in Crossfire he would be fine with 700W. The current setup would be fine with 500W.


Said He wanted to upgrade it in the future, to 32gb, and any other upgrades, better safe than sorry
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February 27, 2012 6:37:19 PM

If you think you will eventually need 32GB of RAM, then 2x8GB.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Enthusiast-Certified-Perf... $113.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 750-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified High Performance Modular Power Supply CP-9020003-NA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $154.99 FREE SHIPPING
ADATA S510 Series AS510S3-120GM-O 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $88.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-16GAB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $209.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560UD-1G GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

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February 27, 2012 6:51:58 PM

Wow, this board moves fast.

The reason I selected the i7 CPU was because I will be doing video editing, mostly of stuff that I shoot myself. I don't think it will rise to the quality of Premiere Pro software though. Also I don't want buyer's remorse as in, "I coulda had an i7!"

I went with Radeon because I've had bad luck with nVidea's in the past (parents and friends computers)

Case was selected on good reviews and smaller width (computer will be on floor under my desk.) Also I like the streamlined looks. Otherwise I was thinking Corsair 400R.

PSU was selected in case I wanted to go Crossfire in the future. And I want modular so I don't have leftover cables clogging up the case. I ran a power supply requirement worksheet somewhere on the web and it said I would need 630 watts with two graphics cards so I simply went with the 750 watt unit.


QuietPC: You mentioned low profile RAM. Will I need that with the CPU cooler? (Good point on Windows transferability, thanks, something to mull over.)
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February 27, 2012 6:59:02 PM

Ex_Dell_User said:
Wow, this board moves fast.

The reason I selected the i7 CPU was because I will be doing video editing, mostly of stuff that I shoot myself. I don't think it will rise to the quality of Premiere Pro software though. Also I don't want buyer's remorse as in, "I coulda had an i7!"

I went with Radeon because I've had bad luck with nVidea's in the past (parents and friends computers)

Case was selected on good reviews and smaller width (computer will be on floor under my desk.) Also I like the streamlined looks. Otherwise I was thinking Corsair 400R.

PSU was selected in case I wanted to go Crossfire in the future. And I want modular so I don't have leftover cables clogging up the case. I ran a power supply requirement worksheet somewhere on the web and it said I would need 630 watts with two graphics cards so I simply went with the 750 watt unit.


QuietPC: You mentioned low profile RAM. Will I need that with the CPU cooler? (Good point on Windows transferability, thanks, something to mull over.)

I never go with the high rise heat spreaders just in case. Each mobo is differnet so the placement of the ram slots, whether there are 2 or 4 and whether you will use 2 or 4 make a difference. Its more notiecable on mico-atm mobo's but I just don't take the chance. Besides, people tend to buy the tall spreaders because they look cool but inside the case they are never seen
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February 27, 2012 7:01:22 PM

Space limited...hmm You should make space for at least 27" monitor. You would love it.
If it helps I cut the top of my desk for my 30" lol
Good setup but I would probably go with ASUS or Gigabyte motherboard. Also for now 8 gigs of DDR3 is more than enough actually 4Gb will be more than enough for your needs.
You can always get more
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February 27, 2012 7:12:07 PM

If video editing is a significant part of your usage, then yes I would get a HT enabled CPU. But, if ya willing to pay $100 more for the 2600k over the 2500k, I really can't see not spending an additional $40 for the 2700k. So ..... if gaming's the thing, that determines the pick, get the 2500k ...... if it's video editing, then it's the 2700k....the 2600k really doesn't "have a place anymore" with current pricing.

In a $1,000 - 1,200 build, I'd use the Hyper 212 ..... a $1,500 build warrants something better and for that extra 5-7C I'd recommend the Hyper 612 PWM or Scythe Mugen 3.... at $45-50.

Dump the tall toothy heat sinks whose only cooling function is to "look cool"..... not to mention that they hit the Hyper 212 and most other large 3rd party heat sinks. Again, video editing eats up RAM quite fast and you will definitely "feel" the difference.....in gaming, not so much.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

No CUDA kinda kills the ATI option for most video editing enthusiasts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

SSD - Specials affect the choice here, buy what's cheapest on the day you buy .... At the 120/128GB size, I limit my choices to the Tier 3 units listed here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-review-benchmar...
Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 120 GB, OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 120 GB, Patriot WildFire 120 GB, Samsung 830 SSD 128 GB

If budget is tight, note that a Hybrid SSD / HD like the Momentus boots to Windows in 17 seconds as opposed to the best SSD's which do it in 16 seconds.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

If I'm spending $1,500 on a puter system, I'd want it to be based upon a MoBo w/ at least the industry standard 3 year warranty.....2 years a bit chinsy IMO.

For me, especially with video editing on the table, the lack of a front USB case port kills the CM690.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

The 750 watter is fine for two stock 560's / 69xx / 79xx cards .... if more than moderately overlclocking the CPU and 2 GFX tho, I'd want 850 for voltage stability.

First Choices (10.0 jonnyguru performance rating):

Antec CP-850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$115 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec SG-850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$250 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair HX850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$160 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Black Edition
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Second Choices (9.5 jonnyguru performance rating):

Antec TPQ-850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$130 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec HCG-900
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair TX V2
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$125 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsai AX-850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$170 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Core Edition 850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seasonic MD12 850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...


NZXT Hale90
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
$180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Third Choices (9.0 jonnyguru performance rating)

Antec HCP-850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Enermax Revolution 85+
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Others

Toughpower XT 850 (8.5)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

OCZ Z Series 850 (8.5)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Silverstone Element ST85EF (6.0)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
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February 27, 2012 9:22:51 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
If video editing is a significant part of your usage, then yes I would get a HT enabled CPU. But, if ya willing to pay $100 more for the 2600k over the 2500k, I really can't see not spending an additional $40 for the 2700k. So ..... if gaming's the thing, that determines the pick, get the 2500k ...... if it's video editing, then it's the 2700k....the 2600k really doesn't "have a place anymore" with current pricing.


Hmmm.. the i7-2700K is only $299 at microcenter.com, or $20 more than the 2600K. Might have to change my plan here.


Dump the tall toothy heat sinks whose only cooling function is to "look cool"..... not to mention that they hit the Hyper 212 and most other large 3rd party heat sinks. Again, video editing eats up RAM quite fast and you will definitely "feel" the difference.....in gaming, not so much. said:
Dump the tall toothy heat sinks whose only cooling function is to "look cool"..... not to mention that they hit the Hyper 212 and most other large 3rd party heat sinks. Again, video editing eats up RAM quite fast and you will definitely "feel" the difference.....in gaming, not so much.


Consider the tall toothy heat sinks to be dumped. Low profile is in.

No CUDA kinda kills the ATI option for most video editing enthusiasts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... said:
No CUDA kinda kills the ATI option for most video editing enthusiasts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


I'm going to have to research CUDA technology.

SSD - Specials affect the choice here, buy what's cheapest on the day you buy .... At the 120/128GB size, I limit my choices to the Tier 3 units listed here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-review-benchmar...
Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 120 GB, OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 120 GB, Patriot WildFire 120 GB, Samsung 830 SSD 128 GB

If budget is tight, note that a Hybrid SSD / HD like the Momentus boots to Windows in 17 seconds as opposed to the best SSD's which do it in 16 seconds.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten... said:
SSD - Specials affect the choice here, buy what's cheapest on the day you buy .... At the 120/128GB size, I limit my choices to the Tier 3 units listed here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-review-benchmar...
Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 120 GB, OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 120 GB, Patriot WildFire 120 GB, Samsung 830 SSD 128 GB

If budget is tight, note that a Hybrid SSD / HD like the Momentus boots to Windows in 17 seconds as opposed to the best SSD's which do it in 16 seconds.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


I'm kind of set on a separate SSD. I agree with your philosophy on buy one of those brands on sale. Another consideration for me is the newegg feedback ratings. I look at those units with a lot of reviews, those units with the highest overall rating AND the fewest percentage of 1 star rating, which is typically DOA units.

If I'm spending $1,500 on a puter system, I'd want it to be based upon a MoBo w/ at least the industry standard 3 year warranty.....2 years a bit chinsy IMO. said:
If I'm spending $1,500 on a puter system, I'd want it to be based upon a MoBo w/ at least the industry standard 3 year warranty.....2 years a bit chinsy IMO.


That means Asus, Gigabyte or MSI, correct? Any suggestions in the $175-$180 range?

For me, especially with video editing on the table, the lack of a front USB case port kills the CM690.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... said:
For me, especially with video editing on the table, the lack of a front USB case port kills the CM690.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


That's a nice case, I like the firewire connection up front for my legacy video cam connection and it's a bit smaller (thinner) than the CM690-II, but it's kind of spendy. There is a new style front header for the 690-II that has USB 3.0

http://cmstore.coolermaster-usa.com/product_info.php?cP...

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February 27, 2012 9:43:53 PM

xtremegamer2da-max said:
case: cooler master haf x
mobo: asus p8z68-v pro
cpu: intel i5 2500k
cpu cooler: cooler master hyper 212 evo
video card: amd radeon hd 7950
ram: g.skill ripjaws x series 8gb ddr3-1600
hhd: western digital caviar black 1tb
ssd: corsair force series 3 60gb
psu: corsair ax650
optical drive: sony 24x multi


Case is full tower and costs $200
HDD costs $200
Video card is almost $500
MOBO is over $200

All good stuff but I'm kind of on a budget here.
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February 27, 2012 9:49:56 PM

QuietPC said:
Honestly a 550w would be fine and if you are paranoid then 650w. Corsair or Seasonic or other high quality


OK, I found the site where I plugged in my build and it spits out a recommended wattage for a PSU.

Just for yuks, if I put in 2 Radeon 6870 cards, overclock a i7-2700K CPU, an SSD ,an HDD, put in a couple more fans, a fan controller, throw a non-graphics device in a PCI slot, add a TV tuner, I only get a need for 578 watts.

http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Interesting that the 2700K CPU uses 20 watts less than the 2600K CPU.
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February 27, 2012 9:52:16 PM

I would get 2 sets of 2x4GB at 1600 for 35-40 each, instead of a 4x4GB kit for 90 bucks... easy savings there. Other than that, I agree to either get the 2700k or the 2500k.
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February 27, 2012 10:05:30 PM

Ex_Dell_User said:
OK, I found the site where I plugged in my build and it spits out a recommended wattage for a PSU.

Just for yuks, if I put in 2 Radeon 6870 cards, overclock a i7-2700K CPU, an SSD ,an HDD, put in a couple more fans, a fan controller, throw a non-graphics device in a PCI slot, add a TV tuner, I only get a need for 578 watts.

http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Interesting that the 2700K CPU uses 20 watts less than the 2600K CPU.

Take those wattage calculators with a grain of salt. For dual 6870's you want a 650w psu. For dual monitors you want a 2GB card for the extra V-RAM. And lose the 2700K. If you want hyper threading save yourself a few dollars and go with the 2600K and bump it up. The 2700K is a hose job.
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February 27, 2012 10:05:31 PM

infinity526 said:
I would get 2 sets of 2x4GB at 1600 for 35-40 each, instead of a 4x4GB kit for 90 bucks... easy savings there. Other than that, I agree to either get the 2700k or the 2500k.



I don't see how.

Corsair Vengeance 2 X 4 GB per set = $49.99; Two sets = $99.98
Corsair Vengeance 4 X 4 GB per set = $94.99;

G.Skill Ares 2 X 4 GB per set = $44.99; Two sets = $89.98
G.Skill Ares 4 X 4 GB per set = $88.99

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February 27, 2012 10:12:45 PM

Why_Me said:
Take those wattage calculators with a grain of salt. For dual 6870's you want a 650w psu. For dual monitors you want a 2GB card for the extra V-RAM.


Yeah, I think 650w would be the starting point. So, assuming a very efficient power supply, i.e. Corsair Professional or Seasonic X do I need 750w or 650w?

I won't be using 2 monitors unless I get a new office desk setup. LOL.
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February 27, 2012 10:26:41 PM

Ex_Dell_User said:
Yeah, I think 650w would be the starting point. So, assuming a very efficient power supply, i.e. Corsair Professional or Seasonic X do I need 750w or 650w?

I won't be using 2 monitors unless I get a new office desk setup. LOL.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Enthusiast-Certified-Perf... $99.24 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified High Performance Modular Power Supply CP-9020002-NA

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February 27, 2012 11:34:47 PM

Why_Me said:
Take those wattage calculators with a grain of salt. For dual 6870's you want a 650w psu. For dual monitors you want a 2GB card for the extra V-RAM. And lose the 2700K. If you want hyper threading save yourself a few dollars and go with the 2600K and bump it up. The 2700K is a hose job.



+1

I don't see the need to spend $40 more on the CPU for +100Mhz, just overclock it yourself and save $40.
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February 28, 2012 6:55:10 PM

Best answer selected by Ex_Dell_User.
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