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February 28, 2012 7:56:02 PM

So like the title said is this build solid for the price:

CPU: FX-6100 Yeah I know what you guys will say"Get an Intel processor" But I'm fine with this :p 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: GTX 570 Bottleneck...maybe. :( 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard- Asrock 970 Extreme3 Good reviews
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.Skill 8GB 8Gigs seem to roll pretty good...and with luck it will run Minecraft with fancy settings and Far :D 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: OCZ 700w *No comment*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: Antec Three Hundred Antec cases seem to be pretty solid
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Just in case you guys will be suggesting an entire new build. The parts listed are all that are needed.OK :o 
Running on a 1440x900 right now but planning to upgrade soon.

Thanks!

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February 28, 2012 8:14:40 PM

The 570 certainly won't be a bottleneck - it's one of the higher end GPUs you can get on the market. I'm not the biggest fan of MSI either - this would be a better choice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The OCZ PSU is OK - this would be better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Before you are completely set on the FX-6100, I'd seriously recommend that you read this before you decide on that or an i5-2500K: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-7-hotfix-bu...

Don't say I didn't warn you ahead of time.

Other than that everything else looks good. The Antec 300 is definitely a good choice for case.
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February 28, 2012 8:31:20 PM

The benches on the 6100 look good and Windows said that they are working to optimize the fx series on Windows 8.
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February 28, 2012 8:46:18 PM

Forgot to say that my budget is $850
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February 28, 2012 9:04:35 PM

agiste101 said:
The benches on the 6100 look good and Windows said that they are working to optimize the fx series on Windows 8.


I'm not moving to Windows 8 anytime soon (to me it looks like Vista with a cell phone interface) - to me those benchmarks are kind of irrelevant.

I understand you want to future-proof your system as much as possible but the thing is you really can't predict if one OS is going to be better over the other.
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February 28, 2012 10:21:13 PM

If your PC im mainly used for running multithreaded apps, then the FX-6100 is a good value.
If you are an AMD shareholder or whatever, that too.

But, If your usage is playing games, Like the inclusion of a GTX570 indicates, then any Intel cpu will be better.
Even the $80 G630 beats the FX6100.
Read this tom's article on the subject:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Why buy a OCZ psu when you can buy a top quality psu from seasonic, Corsair, XFX, OCP&C, or Antec for a similar amount?
And, you only need a good 550w psu for that GTX570.
How about this 550w XFX unit for $55?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That 700w OCZ unit only delivers about 5% more amps than the 550w XFX. A sign of inferior quality.
It would not be wrong to go a bit stronger to 600-650w if you want.
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February 28, 2012 10:58:57 PM

You will be happier with an Intel chip, trust me.
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February 28, 2012 11:17:59 PM

^Why would he trust you? Seriously, as you have been told, for gaming you should go Intel. Read, read, read some more - you will find a very common theme. Intel makes the best gaming cpu at every price point.
-Bruce
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February 29, 2012 9:50:05 PM

So can you guys suggest an Intel build with these particular parts
  • Budget is $900 (Lower Please :sarcastic:  )
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    February 29, 2012 11:23:02 PM

    Well I did some browsing on Newegg and created this:

    CPU- i5 2400
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    GPU-GTX 570
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    *New*GPU-GTX 560ti w/448 cores
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Motherboard- Intel BOX...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    *New*Motherboard-Asrock Extreme3
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    RAM-Kingston 8GB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Case-Rosewill Challenger
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    *New*SSD-Mushkin 60GB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    I hope that this seems better to you guys.


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    PSU-Antec 620W Forgot to include.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Changed GPU to GTX 560ti w/448 cores since according to this ,The difference is minimal and the 560ti wins in a few cases.
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    February 29, 2012 11:23:55 PM

    agiste101 said:
    So can you guys suggest an Intel build with these particular parts
  • Budget is $900 (Lower Please :sarcastic:  )


  • Your budget is not quite into the 2500K range, which is as good as it gets.
    At a bit less than the FX 6100 is the i3-2120.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Motherboard, asrock Z68 is a good value board.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    No need for fast ram or fancy heat spreaders g.skil 8gb:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    XFX 550w psu is sufficient for a GTX570
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    GTX570 is a very good pick for a graphics card. It is the real engine of gaming; get the best one you can.
    I would get this evga superclocked unit. It is a bit cheaper, and has a direct exhaust cooler which I like better.
    It is also clocked higher than the msi card. EVGA support is also good.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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    February 29, 2012 11:49:44 PM

    agiste101 said:
    Well I did some browsing on Newegg and created this:

    CPU- i5 2400
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    GPU-GTX 570
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Motherboard- Intel BOX...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    RAM-Kingston 8GB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Case-Rosewill Challenger
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


    I hope that this seems better to you guys.


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    PSU-Antec 620W Forgot to include.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Changed GPU to GTX 560ti w/448 cores since according to this ,The difference is minimal and the 560ti wins in a few cases.


    That is a lot better - I'm not building Windows 8 specific builds until I actually get a chance to play around with it. I personally am not the biggest fan of Windows 8 so far - to me it looks like Vista with a cell phone interface.

    Be sure to watch the voltage of the RAM - for a Sandy Bridge build you want 1.5V, you can get away with 1.6V but I wouldn't go lower than 1.5V.
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    March 1, 2012 8:22:43 PM

    Did some more looking up and wanted to ask which is better(And found a better motherboard(should be updated))

    Is the GTX 560ti w/448 cores better than a plain GTX 480.
    People on different sites have mixed views.

    On one hand the GTX 560ti is more expensive and is current gen where as the GTX 480 was top of the line in its generation.

    So right now I'm really confused and my total expense is at $789.94 and I am willing to go up to $850(Could go to $900 But the cheapness is strong within me).
    So thats all.
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    March 1, 2012 9:54:24 PM

    SSD added for boot and maybe BF3 and Minecraft(If it can handle the two)

    Check a few posts back for the specific name and link.
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    March 1, 2012 10:22:50 PM

    agiste101 said:
    Did some more looking up and wanted to ask which is better(And found a better motherboard(should be updated))

    Is the GTX 560ti w/448 cores better than a plain GTX 480.
    People on different sites have mixed views.

    On one hand the GTX 560ti is more expensive and is current gen where as the GTX 480 was top of the line in its generation.

    So right now I'm really confused and my total expense is at $789.94 and I am willing to go up to $850(Could go to $900 But the cheapness is strong within me).
    So thats all.


    GTX480 is a bit stronger, but still close enough to the GTX560ti-448 that you could pick either based on other factors.
    If you prefer a brand, or, on the design of the cooler. As a rule, I prefer the GTX480 type of direct exhaust cooler that sends most of the gpu heat straight out the back of the case.
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    March 1, 2012 11:07:36 PM

    amd it ain't bad but after personal test both amd and intel are good and plays in a nice rate, although intel is in the lead it all comes down to preference, i my self own both amd and intel builds on their mid and high end, but in the end i went with lga2011, more awesome and epeen but thats just me ok enough of that..

    i suggest the msi gtx 560ti 448 it's awesome, looks nice too..... and the MSi Z68A-GD80 (G3) it has some rebate at newegg for 189 dollars or something check it out, i suggest if your getting some ssd don't go lower than 120gb
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    March 2, 2012 12:14:52 AM

    Tavo_Nova said:
    amd it ain't bad but after personal test both amd and intel are good and plays in a nice rate, although intel is in the lead it all comes down to preference, i my self own both amd and intel builds on their mid and high end, but in the end i went with lga2011, more awesome and epeen but thats just me ok enough of that..

    i suggest the msi gtx 560ti 448 it's awesome, looks nice too..... and the MSi Z68A-GD80 (G3) it has some rebate at newegg for 189 dollars or something check it out, i suggest if your getting some ssd don't go lower than 120gb
    The SSD will only be for boot and maybe(just maybe) one or two(OR two) game and the games will most likely be Minecraft and BF3 IF I feel like putting it on the SSD(Not likely).
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    March 2, 2012 2:31:49 AM

    agiste101 said:
    The SSD will only be for boot and maybe(just maybe) one or two(OR two) game and the games will most likely be Minecraft and BF3 IF I feel like putting it on the SSD(Not likely).

    You most definitely need an SSD for BF3. Those large gigabyte file maps take a few years to load on some machines.

    Minecraft is a Java coded game so most of it's performance will come out of the CPU. Minecraft is also a single-threaded game (like almost every other game) which Intel exceeds at.
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    March 2, 2012 11:20:03 AM

    e56imfg said:
    You most definitely need an SSD for BF3. Those large gigabyte file maps take a few years to load on some machines.

    Minecraft is a Java coded game so most of it's performance will come out of the CPU. Minecraft is also a single-threaded game (like almost every other game) which Intel exceeds at.

    So is this card any good
    GTX 480 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    It's cheaper and should perform better or on par with the GTX 560ti w/448 cores.
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    March 2, 2012 12:34:55 PM

    agiste101 said:
    So is this card any good
    GTX 480 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    It's cheaper and should perform better or on par with the GTX 560ti w/448 cores.


    It is very good.

    GTX480 is marginally stronger than GTX560ti-448. But the difference is so small that for all practical purposes, their performance is equal, depending on the game.

    The GTX480 is an older card and will run hotter which is why they are priced lower.
    If your case has good airflow, that is not really a problem.
    All graphics cards run hot, but they are built to do so.
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    March 2, 2012 9:35:48 PM

    geofelt said:
    It is very good.

    GTX480 is marginally stronger than GTX560ti-448. But the difference is so small that for all practical purposes, their performance is equal, depending on the game.

    The GTX480 is an older card and will run hotter which is why they are priced lower.
    If your case has good airflow, that is not really a problem.
    All graphics cards run hot, but they are built to do so.

    What if I get this card then CrossFire soon(because the price is so low I might as well do it pretty soon)
    HD 7770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    This will leave much more cash to spend on some other thing(And plus Two Video Cards in a system looks much better than one card :D  )

    So what do you guys think?
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    March 2, 2012 9:42:06 PM

    agiste101 said:
    What if I get this card then CrossFire soon(because the price is so low I might as well do it pretty soon)
    HD 7770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    This will leave much more cash to spend on some other thing(And plus Two Video Cards in a system looks much better than one card :D  )

    So what do you guys think?


    My rant on dual cards:

    a) How good do you really need to be?
    A single GTX560 or 6870 can give you great performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

    A single GTX560ti or 6950 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
    Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
    A single 7970 is about as good as it gets.

    Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, then sli/cf will be needed.
    Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards.

    b) The costs for a single card are lower.
    You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
    Even a ITX motherboard will do.

    Your psu costs are less.
    A GTX560ti needs a 450w psu, even a GTX580 only needs a 600w psu.
    When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 150-200w to your psu requirements.
    A single more modern 28nm card like a 7970 needs only 500W.

    Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
    That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
    You will also look at more noise.

    c) Dual cards do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
    The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
    Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

    d) dual card support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

    e) cf/sli up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
    It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.
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    March 3, 2012 4:50:30 PM

    geofelt said:
    My rant on dual cards:

    a) How good do you really need to be?
    A single GTX560 or 6870 can give you great performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

    A single GTX560ti or 6950 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
    Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
    A single 7970 is about as good as it gets.

    Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, then sli/cf will be needed.
    Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards.

    b) The costs for a single card are lower.
    You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
    Even a ITX motherboard will do.

    Your psu costs are less.
    A GTX560ti needs a 450w psu, even a GTX580 only needs a 600w psu.
    When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 150-200w to your psu requirements.
    A single more modern 28nm card like a 7970 needs only 500W.

    Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
    That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
    You will also look at more noise.

    c) Dual cards do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
    The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
    Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

    d) dual card support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

    e) cf/sli up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
    It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.

    Well I read that Micro Stuttering was a problem with the drivers so Right Drivers=Less Micro Stuttering
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    March 3, 2012 5:08:58 PM

    agiste101 said:
    Well I read that Micro Stuttering was a problem with the drivers so Right Drivers=Less Micro Stuttering


    It is my understanding that the use of two weaker cards makes microstuttering more of an issue.
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    March 3, 2012 6:17:27 PM

    So what do you guys think about this build:

    CPU-i5 2400
    GPU-GTX 570
    Motherboard-Elitegroup
    PSU-Rosewill
    Case-Cooler Master 430 RC

  • CPU - If you guys can convince me enough to get a 2500k or 2500 I might just do it.
  • GPU - (If you guys do that ^^ then don't bother looking here :D  )I could have went higher to a cheap 580 but reviews were lacking and it seemed pretty negative.
  • Motherboard - Before you guys start hating,this motherboard has some good reviews
  • PSU - Good enough reviews
  • RAM - Who needs fancy heat spreaders!
  • Case - Cheap,Looks good and has a window!

    Price is really low(I guess that's because of the motherboard being lowend).It's currently $764.94 (Willing to go up to $850,But lower is always better).
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    March 3, 2012 8:39:50 PM

    geofelt said:
    It is my understanding that the use of two weaker cards makes microstuttering more of an issue.

    I saw a video on the Motherboards.org youtube channel showing him playing BF3 on 2 Mars II's in SLI and it was stuttering like hell.Isn't a MarsII supposed to be like the most powerful card in existence?
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    March 3, 2012 8:47:06 PM

    GTX570 is very good.

    I have liked elitegroup before. Id the chipset Z68? It should be.

    a 2400 gives you 3.1 fixed. It is a very good gaming chip as it is.
    But...
    A 2500K gives you 3.3 for starters, Plus a 90% chance for 4.0 or better with a conservative OC. $20 more is a good deal from my point of view.

    Rosewill is mixed from the reviewers who have the tech equipment to properly evaluate psu's
    I don't know which specific model, but stick with known quality brands. Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, XFX, PC P&C.
    Cheap on a psu is the last place to cut costs.

    Agree on ram. 1.5v ram does not need fance heat spreaders. They interfere with some coolers.

    Cheap on a case os OK. If it has at least two 120mm intake or exhaust fans, you will get good cooling.
    Looks do count. Buy one you love.
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    March 3, 2012 9:59:23 PM

    just get rams that doesn't have tall heat stuff, and stick to 1.5v

    get a cheap case with 140mm back and 120mm front or something like that, and make sure you like the looks of it too. get an i5 2500k, there are times where you might want more speed in the next 3 years if you still won't upgrade the cpu

    stick to corsair/seasonic/pc P&C/xfx for psu no joke and this is not something to be cheap at, IMHO I'd spend 300$ on a psu and 500$ on a case even on a HTPC, well it's just me
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    March 4, 2012 12:35:12 AM

    Tavo_Nova said:
    just get rams that doesn't have tall heat stuff, and stick to 1.5v

    get a cheap case with 140mm back and 120mm front or something like that, and make sure you like the looks of it too. get an i5 2500k, there are times where you might want more speed in the next 3 years if you still won't upgrade the cpu

    stick to corsair/seasonic/pc P&C/xfx for psu no joke and this is not something to be cheap at, IMHO I'd spend 300$ on a psu and 500$ on a case even on a HTPC, well it's just me


    I'd definitely agree there - PSUs are one area where it's very dangers to go cheap on. I don't think you need to get a cheap case - the HAF 912 or Antec 300 are always good bets in the ~$60 range.

    Quote:
    Found this Corsair Power Supply on Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139020

    My questions are:Will it be enough?
    Will it last?
    Will it transform? ;) 


    That is an excellent choice - it should last a long time, I use the TX 750 in both of my systems. There's even 15% off and a $10.00 MIR on top of that.
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