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SLI 560ti 2GB vs SLI 570 1.2GB

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December 29, 2011 1:05:48 AM

Hello,
i need advice... need suggestion with cards...
i am running i7 8GB RAM 3x1680x1050 monitors... which of the following setup is better?
-- 560 ti 2GB SLI
OR
-- 570 1.2GB SLI
Please let me know... I see couple after Christmas sale and it is difficult to decide which is better assuming money is not the deciding factor.... Thanks.
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December 29, 2011 1:25:27 AM

Well if you are running three monitors then the GTX 570 is what you want to get , it has enough horsepower to run the three and it has more then just 1gb of ram , the extra ram will help in having three monitors.
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December 29, 2011 1:29:19 AM

EVGA 025-P3-1579-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) HD 2560MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$394.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If money is not a deciding factor then this would be a good card to get.
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December 29, 2011 1:34:49 AM

thanks....
the reason i asked is because i wonder if 1.2 GB would be "enough"... i actually can see the difference between 560ti 1GB and 2GB in SLI setting... that's why I am a bit hesitated to jump on the 570 1.2GB....
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December 29, 2011 1:47:38 AM

If you have the 560Ti why would you want to upgrade to the 570 , it's not much of a jump up. I would upgrade to the 580 3gb in order to notice a substancial performance increase.

EVGA 03G-P3-1584-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$549.99 and free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 29, 2011 2:03:16 AM

well... they are new.. i can still return them... was about to settle with the 560 ti 2GB.. then I the 570 1.2GB is on sale... that's why i wonder if i should get the 570 instead...

again the question is... 570 has more horsepower but less VRAM... so is 1.2GB "enough"... or that would create a bottleneck and limiting the 570 ability... if that's the case, then 560ti 2GB will be a better setup...

also... would 570 SLI run much hotter than 560 SLI?
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December 29, 2011 2:34:37 AM

They will run pretty much at the same temps really, depending on what coolers the cards have.
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December 29, 2011 1:27:59 PM

this is where I dont understand... say for skyrim, both of my cards' memory runs at about 900MB... peak at about 1300.... then why do I need 2GB? does that mean I am not pushing my cards to the max? or does that mean ~900MB is all it needs to push 3 monitors?
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December 29, 2011 6:32:17 PM

super12 said:
this is where I dont understand... say for skyrim, both of my cards' memory runs at about 900MB... peak at about 1300.... then why do I need 2GB? does that mean I am not pushing my cards to the max? or does that mean ~900MB is all it needs to push 3 monitors?


Well it depends on which settings you want to play the game...from personal experience:

Skyrim:

Full Ultra
HD textures for everything
Modes that add more AA and stuff.

It takes about 1689mbs of Vram from my card, on just 1 monitor in 1080p

Batman AC:

Maxed Ultra

1.6gbs Vram again.

So yeah...games will become more demanding as they add better textures, or w/e.

So at the very least get 2gb Vid card..I'm running on a 3gb gtx 580.
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December 29, 2011 8:24:14 PM

@Briznmz... I see. Thanks. But how much will the GPU power affect that? At my original post stated... I am debating if I should have 560ti 2GB SLI or 570 1.2GB SLI.... for a 3 monitor system... assuming they are the same price, should I go for more VRAM or more powerful GPU?
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December 29, 2011 9:29:14 PM

GPU with higher core speed and shader affects your performance more than vram.

I just added the vram comment to add, that modern games are starting to cross the 1.5gb vram usage even on 1080p.

Vram is used more by hd textures, tessellation, higher resolutions like you might use with your 3 monitors, etc.

You can still max out most games on 1.5gbs vram.

You can also try to see how much you can overclock your vid card.

All games will play great, just might need to tone down AA.

560 ti's can pretty much overclock to 570 lv and you keep your 2gbs on the ti.

Or you can try to see how it goes with 1.2gbs vram on nvidia surround on 570s and overclock them.

2-3gbs is more future proofing if you don't upgrade often.
When you run out of vram you may feel some stuttering or lag spikes like i do on my asus laptop with only 1.5gb vram

But thats only you like to play games maxed all the way up.

You can compromise a little or not use settings you dont like and run games fine.

Forgot to mention..if you are going with EVGA, you can make use of the 3 months long step up program if you don't like the cards you got:

Available Step-Up Products EVGA maintains a list of current graphics cards as well as motherboards available to Step-Up to. Products listed are mostly stock (not factory overclocked, or water cooled) due to stock limitations.
EVGA US

Motherboards
EVGA Z68 SLI - (130-SB-E685-KR)
EVGA Z68 FTW - (160-SB-E689-KR)
EVGA X79 SLI - (132-SE-E775-KR)
EVGA X79 FTW - (151-SE-E777-KR)
EVGA X79 Classified - (151-SE-E779-KR)
EVGA X58 SLI3 - (131-GT-E767-TR)
EVGA X58 FTW3 - (132-GT-E768-KR)
EVGA X58 Classified3 - (141-GT-E770-A1)
EVGA P55 Classified 200 - (160-LF-E659-KR)

Graphics Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 580 - (015-P3-1580-AR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 570 HD - (012-P3-1571-AR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 570 - (012-P3-1570-AR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB - (01G-P3-1561-AR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti - (02G-P3-1568-KR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Superclocked - (01G-P3-1461-KR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 2048MB Superclocked - (02G-P3-1469-KR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 - (01G-P3-1460-KR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB - (01G-P3-1556-KR)
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 2Win - (02G-P3-1387-AR)
EVGA GeForce GTS 450 FPB (Free Performance Boost) - (01G-P3-1450-TR)
EVGA GeForce GT 520 - (02G-P3-1529-KR)
EVGA GeForce GT 430 - (01G-P3-1430-LR)

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December 29, 2011 10:09:47 PM

thanks for the comments... the thing is i do see a performance increase when i hop from a 560 ti SLI 1GB to 2GB.... but then I also started to notice that my "favorite" setting use around 1.2-1.5GB in most games... I tried to change AA and other settings so the card will use more VRAM... but then I see significant fps drop since the GPU simple cant handle higher detail or AA.... in other words, 2GB is somewhat overkill even for my 3 monitor setup....

that's when I start to wonder if a 570 1.2GB would be better for me... considering that 1) 1.2GB is more or less what I need 2) even if I am pushing (or over) the VRAM limit, the GPU power gain should give me a better game play overall even if I have the AA at low...

does that make any sense to you? What do you think?
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December 30, 2011 12:25:32 AM

thank you for the link.. but the situation is slightly differently... and i went through that when i had the GTX 560ti 1GB SLI, return them and got the 2GB version... which is significantly improved... however, now my issue is comparing GTX 560ti 2GB with GTX 570 1.2GB.... will the improved GPU power justify the reduce in VRAM...

my understanding is more VRAM = higher AA... but the problem is I can't get 4x AA now without dropping FPS (because of the GPU limit?), so maybe a 570 1.2GB will perform more or less like the 560ti 2GB?

spec is i7 2600, 16GB 1600 DDR3...
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December 30, 2011 2:05:39 AM

Well, it might, depends which games you want to play and if you want 3d...

Newer Titles, 1.2gb won't be enough IMO, especially at your resolution.

If money is no problem and you really want to game, you can just get the 560s ti

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Mini-HDMI-Graphics-0...

OC as much as you feel comfortable with/handle and step up to kepler if you are lucky...or wait for the AMD cards. 7970, 550@ or go with a high end 6xxx:

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-DL-DVI-I-SL-DVI-D-PCI-Ex...

And unlock 6970 for max performance on xfire...I'm more of an nvidia guy tho, just throwing options out for you.

But if you want the best, you will have drop the $$$ for gtx580s 3gbs(Nice step up option if you go with the gtx 560s or 570s and you don't feel they perform to your liking and would probably keep you set till maxwell in 2013-14 lol) next month when price should drop, or get the new AMD card.
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December 30, 2011 2:48:27 AM

well, i have till like end of Jan to return my 560ti 2GB back to newegg and exchange it for the 570 1.2GB.... that's why I am debating if I should do it... or should I just keep the 560ti and stop checking the price for 570s daily.. you know how that goes.. =)

OR.. maybe i should hold on to the 560ti to the very last moment then I can order what's the cheapest 570 in mid Jan and return the 560ti back to newegg....

funny that there aren't much option for 570s... only the 1.2GB and 1 or 2 2.5GB on newegg
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December 30, 2011 2:51:39 AM

For 3 monitors I would keep the 2gb 560s and give them a nice high OC.
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December 30, 2011 3:00:58 AM

OC is not really an option... since the limitation of the case and the MB... space is very limited, cooling will be a problem, unless i can install something like spitfire on the card... (can i?)
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December 30, 2011 3:10:36 AM

Which case and mobo?
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December 30, 2011 3:20:46 AM

case is fine.. it is Antec Nine Hundred Two... with 6 fans and fan control... idle temperature for the two MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II 2GB are 31C and 27C.... which is impressive...

the problem is the mobo... it is a micro ATX board... so those two cards are basically side by side... full load is about 90C... which is high, but I can live with it under the circumstance... but that means it is not possible to OC due to cooling restriction... only option is to get a spitfire like cooler which can bring the heatsink sideway...

so i guess you guys are showing me the path to darkside... basically telling me

1. 560ti 2GB SLI is about the same as 570 1.2GB SLI for 3 monitors
2. if i want 570 i better get the 2GB+ version.... (which means another 100 bucks each)
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December 30, 2011 3:28:24 AM

Try an OC without raising the voltage. You can probably still bump it up a decent amount without increasing temps much. It is raising the voltage for a high OC that really increases power consumption/heat output.
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December 30, 2011 3:29:15 AM

Yep, and maybe you could pick up a cheap overclocking mobo, which has pcie 3.0, making you ready for New vid cards which are rumoured to be pcie 3.0 or backward compatible with 2.0.

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-LGA-1155-Motherboards-P8Z68-...

Would be best bang for buck oc mobo, i have the z68 version of it and it's awesome.

Let it do an auto oc of my i7 2600k, im running at 4.8ghz, got an h80 tho.

Another awesome mobo that should run cooler:

http://www.amazon.com/SABERTOOTH-P67-REV-3-0-Motherboar...
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December 30, 2011 3:41:19 AM

@Brianmz... you are really trying hard to kick me down the path of the darkside, aren't you? The only reason I am holding off on a complete rebuild is because the the HDD price is unreasonably high due to Thai flooding... unless there is a way to get a new mobo and can still use the old HDD without reinstalling the OS and everything....

@jyjjy... my card is running at 880MHz Core and 1760 Shader... how much do I have to OC to get close to the 570 level?

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December 30, 2011 3:50:06 AM

Which HDDs are you using?

And yeah HDD prices are crazy high, i payed 170$ for 2tb 7200rpm WD caviar green 6.0gbs...Fail

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December 30, 2011 3:55:37 AM

i have couple ones... the primary one is a 1.5tb WD Green...

i have to reinstall the OS if i have a new mobo... there is no easy way out, right?
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December 30, 2011 3:57:08 AM

At 880mhz the GTX 570 is about 12% faster which isn't too much. To actually get it on par with the GTX 570 you would need to get it up around 1ghz.
The GTX 570 uses significantly more power/gives off more heat than the GTX 560 Ti. If with the spacing on your motherboard even the GTX 560s are getting high temps then replacing them with larger, hotter, more power hungry cards isn't something you should consider a solution or even an option I guess.
As for what you are saying about hard drives you can partition your current one and do a fresh install of Windows on a new partition if you don't want to format the whole thing. Another thing to consider would be adding a small SSD for OS and apps. Prices on SSDs were not affected by the flooding and it would speed up your system nicely as well. Beyond that in general if you get a motherboard with the same chipset as the old one and uninstall any drivers specific to the old motherboard hardware(sound, ethernet, etc) before try to swap it should be ok with your current installation. This would be my recommendation;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 30, 2011 4:07:43 AM

^+1

I'm using the samsung 830 SSDs they are pretty awesome.

Using a 64gb one for my boot, wish i would have gone 128gbs...

and a 256gbs on for main games, would highly reccomend, the performance is cazy fast for windows, and i have 0 load times in games.

And your HDD is nice Storage drive as well, pretty fast on 6gbs if you got that version.
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December 30, 2011 4:26:50 AM

super12 said:
i have couple ones... the primary one is a 1.5tb WD Green...

i have to reinstall the OS if i have a new mobo... there is no easy way out, right?

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If you replace the motherboard and reattach the HDD with the OS then you will have the drivers and settings of the old motherboard on it as well as the new drivers and windows will be slowed because it will be looking for the old motherboard. The best thing to do would be to reinstall the OS with the new motherboard. Unless you were able to delete all of the old motherboard drivers and settings.
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December 30, 2011 4:32:03 AM

thank you all... i guess it is clear that i have to rebuild my system with a new mobo, new SSD...maybe i can keep my i7 for the new board...

so maybe it makes more sense for me to get the 570s for the future update? otherwise, when i have this new awesome mobo and SSD... I don't think the 560ti will be any good for the new build.....

any news/idea when will be the price drop for the n-cards?

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December 30, 2011 4:40:30 AM

The closer to the release date the more chance that there will be a price drop , untill then there should be some good after Christmas sales so it would be good to keep your eyes open for deals. I would expect some good sale in the first few weeks of the new year.

ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$349.99 and a $30 rebate makes it $319.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I know it's a three slot card but the price is good for a GTX 570.
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December 30, 2011 4:41:00 AM

Why wouldn't the GTX 560 Ti be good for the new build?
If your main hard drive is a "green" edition that means it is 5400rpm I believe. You shouldn't reinstall Windows to a new HD no matter what. At least 7200rpm and preferably an SSD.

EDIT: The "shouldn't" above should be should.
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December 30, 2011 4:52:54 AM

You can do a new build and squeeze what you can out of the 560s, prices should drop next month, at least for 580.

Green are 7200rpm if they are the new model, hopefully he has the new one.

SSDs are a must on high end systems, at least for the OS imo.

Nvidias price should drop prob mid jan or so, when they amd card releases, at least for the gtx 580s.

You should be able to reuse most of what you have now, just a mobo change and adding the SSD drive or drives.

Also if you don't feel like going for pcie 3.0, you can get the pcie 2.0 version of the mobo or any one you like for a better price.
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