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March 1, 2012 4:08:55 AM

I recently purchased the parts to this computer, in order to build this PC for a friend of mine. I have built my own PC before and it was a rather carefree install, boot, and execute. This machine, however, seems to be giving me some trouble.

The specs are:

Motherboard: MSI 870S-G46 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD 6-Core FX6100 Zambezi 3.3 Ghz Socket AM3+ 95W
GPU: XFX HD-695X-CNDC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5
PSU: 450W Rosewill Stallion RD450-2-DB
RAM: 2x4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1333 Mhz MOdel # KVR1333D3N9/4G
HDD: Hitachi HDS721050CLA362 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0 gb/s 3.5 Internal Harddrive
ODD: 1x ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
1x ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLACK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - OEM

On first attempt to turn it on, everything lit up but we got the message from the monitor saying No Device Detected. My initial thought was the power supply was not sufficient enough to boot the system with a 6950 in the PC. We returned the PSU and purchased a RX-630SS Modular Power supply from RaidMAX and install this into the system in hopes to bring the machine to life; however to no avail.

The MSI board has a 4-phase LED lighting system, and I am getting all 4 LED lights lit up on trying to boot the system. However, there is still no Video Output from the system.

Things I have tried:
1) Replacing the PSU as previously mentioned.
2) Replacing the PSU with yet another PSU that has 850W of power, that I use on my own personal computer and am 100% certain it works, because afterward, I loaded my computer up and am using it right now.
3) Removing RAM from all slots, and trying each one in each of the different DIMM slots.
4) Replacing the GPU. I had an HD 4870 from a recent upgrade that I swapped out with the HD 6950, but no change.
5) Removed all extra components from the PSU and motherboard. Tried booting with ONLY the HD, 1x ODD, CPU, GPU, and with only one slot of RAM installed.
6) Switched SATA inputs from the motherboard to HDD and ODD.
7) Switching PCI slots in which the GPU is in line with.
8) Using 4-pin to power the CPU and 2x 4-pin to power the CPU.
Other things I've noticed that have happened on booting the system up:
1) No computer beeps from the CPU speaker inside the box that gives a "morse code"-ish indicator of what can be wrong.
2) Optical drives do not stay open for more than a second upon opening them
3) Monitor does not detect Input device (tried with 3 different monitors as well)
4) All fans are spinning as they should be
5) If I boot the system with driver CD in, I can hear the CD spinning in the DVD drive
6) Power LED indicator is functioning properly on the front panel
7) When ODD is disconnected from the motherboard, but only connected to the PSU it works as it should, opens till I close it instead of only staying open for a second before closing again.

Miscellaneous Observations:
1) 4-light LED Phase indicator stays lit even if there is NO RAM in the system (concerned with how much help the Light system is, if any)
2) Old computer case with front panel USB and old header connections. Had to improvise with Power Switch indicator and it may have been damaged if that is a factor into the system not completely booting. Not 100% certain I have all the connectors hooked up correctly, but the power button does turn the system on, will incorrect alignment with the rest set off a "Do not boot" warning?

Anyway, that is all I have come up with to try and solve the issue by reading the forums and through my own experiences. I'm out of options from my own resources and would appreciate any advice/known issues with the devices I have bought for this system. Thank-you in advance, and I hope we can get this sorted out relatively quickly.
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March 1, 2012 5:17:34 AM

No beeps means that the system is not running the POST.

Rosewill and RaidMax are both excessively mediocre power supplies.

To make sure that the case wiring is not causing the problem, disconnect everything except the power switch.

Does your motherboard support your CPU without upgrading the BIOS?

Review this:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274745-13-step-step...
to make sure you didn't overlook something simple.

And last, work systematically through our standard checklist and troubleshooting thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-read-postin...
I mean work through, not just read over it. We spent a lot of time on this. It should find most of the problems.
March 1, 2012 5:23:11 AM

You might have to update your BIOS to use the FX.
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March 1, 2012 6:09:05 AM

How would I go about updating the BIOS when I have no visuals to go by?
March 1, 2012 7:08:14 AM

Ok, You may need to boot it first time with a AM3 CPU and then update the Bios.

I have a AMD 770 chipset and that is what I would also have to do to run a FX CPU.

The first AMD chips that supported FX cpu out of the box was 970/990

If you dont have a AM3 cpu laying around then check Ebay/Craigslist.. It can even be a Crappy old Athlon single Core. And yes Both of those brands of PSU are not real good.

I have been using a Antec BP550 Plus for over a year. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (this is after i burned thro 3 Bargain PSU )

Hope that helps.

Alderonn
March 1, 2012 7:21:39 AM

So it's the CPU/MB combo that isn't working? Use an Old AM3 CPU, which should boot correctly? Then after updating BIOS, reinstall my FX CPU? All should be good then?

Thank-you for a logical explanation, I was not aware that the chipset did not support FX cpu out of the box. Making a note on this. I usually use intel, first time around with AMD. I will hold off on putting best answer until I find an AM3 CPU and test it out, but AlderonnX, my friend, you are a good man.

And hpdeskjet, it didn't make sense to me because I thought FX was a typo and you meant my GPU... Silly me.

Would http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... do the trick?
March 1, 2012 8:20:49 AM

Yeah, 2-3 people in the reviews on newegg mentioned that very CPU as the one they bought and used.

However on the page for the Motherboard I'm not seeing a BIOS that will work with FX

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March 1, 2012 8:23:52 AM
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You might be better off returning that motherboard and getting a 880 or later one. Save the 40 bucks on the second CPU and get a out of the box ready MoBo.

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/870S-G46.html#/?div=CPUSu...

This doesn't list FX



However for $89.99 you can get \/

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is the most similar board i could find to what you have that claims to support FX. Now odds are its still going to need a Bios update. Maybe someone else can verify that for sure.

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/970A-G46.html#/?div=CPUSu... There is the CPU support list.
March 1, 2012 8:41:18 AM

Yea, I've been looking all over the web tonight... Just found out there is an FX version of the motherboard... Same exact model just with (FX) written on it.

How annoying... a simple FX. Ordered the wrong board. Problem was I was reading from the CPU page instead of the motherboard page when I added it to cart.
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/870S-G46--FX-.html

Thinking I'll need to use this as my solution:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or should I just get an AM3 CPU?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Around the same price, which would make the better build?
March 1, 2012 9:02:52 AM

The FX-6100 is a lot better then a AMD Athlon II X3

Can you get your money back on either the FX-6100 or the 870 MoBo?
March 1, 2012 9:44:26 AM

Neither, sadly. Bought them January 3rd. My concern with a new motherboard, is new RAM as well.

Found same memory modules on the QVL. Guess I'll be shipping in a new board. Cheaper fix of the two, I suppose, getting more of a PC for the same price.

Thanks for your help, good advice and easy to follow. Going to post all my builds and have them checked on here before I make a silly mistake like that againg.
March 1, 2012 9:58:55 AM

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