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March 2, 2012 10:33:44 PM

( Im a First time Builder not tech savy And i have a very limited budget)
*Also i have terriable grammer*

I have a hp pentinium 4 from somewhere around year 2,000 its lived a long life and its tryng to die on me. Not woth saving pluss its so old it cant play any new games. ( High past Time to upgrade/Move on )

I want to build a system that is based on the scorpius/bulldozer am3+ fx build
I want to be able to achive high 1080p graphics on todays modern games that i could not play before( bf3, Skyrim,etc... )

Ive been searching and researching for weeks and have compiled a list of parts and prices for my pc but its a bit over budget and im not sure everything i have is compatable or necessary maybe i could trim a few here or there with out sacraficeing perfromance
* I DO PLAN TO OVER CLOCK * (despite having any knowledge of how to do so but board has ufi bios and auto tuneing)

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ALL PARTS AND PRICES VIA NEWEGG
[DVD] ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$20.99

[CASE] COOLER MASTER Elite 430 RC-430-KWN1 Black Steel / Plastic Computer Case
$49.99

[HDD] Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$129.99

[MOBO] ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
$94.99

[GPU] ASUS HD7770-DC-1GD5 Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support
$159.99


[PSU] RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Power Supply
$59.99

[RAM] G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-8GBRH
$49.99

[CPU] AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX
$109.99

[AFTER MARKET COOLER FOR O.C.] COOLER MASTER Vortex Plus RR-VTPS-28PK-R1 92mm Long life sleeve CPU Cooler
$32.99

Subtotal: $702.91

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March 2, 2012 10:54:36 PM
March 2, 2012 11:11:19 PM

I went with the FX 8120 and HD 6950 and I max out Skyrim just fine. I am sitting at 4.4 Ghz right now. Many folks will dissuade you from going with the bulldozer setup, but it works just fine.
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March 2, 2012 11:25:57 PM

I expected to get some AMD hatter replies but honestly from what i have seen the AMD chips/Board is cheeper than intel and price per perfomance is best bet. I didnt want a complte rebuild i just want some advice on things that take more knowledge than personal preffrence. like power supply (do i have a good one picked is it enough power do i need more or less, I do plan To O.C. even just a lil so i know ill need extra for that ) also ram wise i dont know wich is better and weather i have right stuff for the money ) like i said "first time builder" i need help with wether all is compatiable will my cooler be efficient (I could have went a bit cheeper and got one of those tall ones but not sure if it will fit.) that kind of stuff
Thank you for any and all replies
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March 2, 2012 11:48:50 PM

kiramesu said:
I expected to get some AMD hatter replies but honestly from what i have seen the AMD chips/Board is cheeper than intel and price per perfomance is best bet. I didnt want a complte rebuild i just want some advice on things that take more knowledge than personal preffrence. like power supply (do i have a good one picked is it enough power do i need more or less, I do plan To O.C. even just a lil so i know ill need extra for that ) also ram wise i dont know wich is better and weather i have right stuff for the money ) like i said "first time builder" i need help with wether all is compatiable will my cooler be efficient (I could have went a bit cheeper and got one of those tall ones but not sure if it will fit.) that kind of stuff
Thank you for any and all replies


I have found my mobo is very picky about the ram. I had the UD5 and my Mushkin ram did fine in there, but now I am running the UD3 and it doesn't like the Mushkin. I have some DDR3 1866 Corsair Vengeance enroute and it is approved by the mobo maker. I recommend making sure you get compatible ram, and if you can afford it get the 1866 to get the most out of your bulldozer.

I'd also say you're better off getting the HD 6850 over the 7770.

That PSU however is horrid. You're going to be running a high powered gaming rig here, do not skimp on the power supply. You can find other areas to go cheaper, but a solid PSU will ensure your rig is problem free and leave room for expanasion. In your case, 600 watts is a good idea.
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March 2, 2012 11:50:06 PM

I'm not a hatter or even a hater :)  I just think you'll get far better gaming bang for the buck with the i3 over the 4100. UNLESS you want to OC, but you do not.

Good enough today is never good enough in two years, so why not maximize what you get now?

If you just want something that will be good enough, get an Athlon x3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and put the extra $20 towards a 6870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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March 3, 2012 12:15:28 AM

OK so im not very good speller (Typo King)
I did say i wanted to O.C. thats the reason i went went fx 4100 and the asus 970 board also to achive the scorpus plat form with added ATI gpu
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March 3, 2012 12:29:11 AM

Proximon said:
I'm not a hatter or even a hater :)  I just think you'll get far better gaming bang for the buck with the i3 over the 4100. UNLESS you want to OC, but you do not.

Good enough today is never good enough in two years, so why not maximize what you get now?

If you just want something that will be good enough, get an Athlon x3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and put the extra $20 towards a 6870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


True dat, the i3 is a solid start for a gaming platform. And proximons advice is solid, even though you did state a preference for BD. Think of our advice as two sides of the same coin, the i3 rig is a solid intro gaming rig, but the FX machine is not too shabby, especially since overclocking is a goal and you can get an FX 4100 well into the mid 4Ghz range.
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March 3, 2012 12:38:25 AM

why would i down grade the gpu the ones sugested are more money and older
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March 3, 2012 12:43:14 AM

kiramesu said:
why would i down grade the gpu the ones sugested are more money and older


Because a 6850 is faster. The 7770 series are overpriced for the performance, because they ARE new. dig?
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March 3, 2012 12:53:52 AM

is it because of processing units? thats the only real diff i see but dosent core clock matter like 900mhz v.s. 1120mhz seems like a big diffrence dose it not matter?
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March 3, 2012 12:58:23 AM

Ah, I'm sorry, I misread what you typed. You even put it in caps... but I still read it as I DO NOT PLAN TO OVERCLOCK. You used the word despite right after which means something a little different than you think.

OK, so... you plan to overclock, despite NOT having much knowledge because the BIOS and ASUS utilities will do it for you. I get it now.

Is the FX4100 your best choice then? I'm not sure. One of the Black Edition Phenom II's might be better. I would comparison shop against the 965.
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March 3, 2012 1:02:12 AM

Well there was a 5770 and then a 6770 and now a 7770.
At the same time there also was a 6850 and will be a 7850 pay more attention to the last 3 numbers on a AMD gpu. Higher is better

Its a easy mistake to make. I once "Upgraded" from a 4650 to a 5450 and i really wondered why my frame rates had gone down.
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March 3, 2012 2:06:18 AM

kiramesu said:
is it because of processing units? thats the only real diff i see but dosent core clock matter like 900mhz v.s. 1120mhz seems like a big diffrence dose it not matter?


It depends on the architecture. So a 7770 may LOOK faster than a 6850, but its not. Look at the hierarchy chart, even better read the article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
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March 3, 2012 2:33:11 AM

AMD FX-4100 ain't so bad actually but ok overall get the 7850 if it comes out, but if its too expensive just go grab the 6850/6870 it's awesome i tell you

a good 650w psu like the seasonic 80plus gold or get the bronze one if its to expensive or the corsair 80plus gold/bronze
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March 3, 2012 2:48:17 AM

Didn't we have this FX-4100_ I3-2120 talk about 3 nights ago?
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March 3, 2012 4:27:26 AM

I guess I missed that one :)  It's not actually relevant, it was just my misunderstanding of what the OP wanted.
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March 3, 2012 4:40:50 AM

In a recent comparison on this site the FX 4100 matched the i3 2100 in games , with a range of sub $200 graphics cards . It did that with a 200MHz overclock because Toms was simulating an FX 4100 by turning off parts of a higher spec FX .

Almost everyone will be able to get another 800 MHz even with the stock cooler so it should comfortably beat the i3 2100 in most situations , with a graphics card to the level of a 6950 or GTX 560 ti .

RAM needs to be 1.5 volt or less .

I dont know the vortex cooler , but see if you can find a comparison with the Hyper 212 which is a great cooler, exceptional value and a bit cheaper .

The benchmarks I have seen for the 7770 suggest a 6870 would be cheaper and faster . Search on newegg by price .

You need a bronze rated 500 - 550 watt psu . Probably not manufactured for or by raidmax

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