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March 3, 2012 4:41:50 AM

Hi there, thanks in advance for taking a look and helping me out. I want to give some basic info about this project first. My wife and I game together primarily on MMO's. We currently play SWTOR and plan to play Guild Wars 2, so thats what I really need this machine to play. This PC is being built from scratch, I'll be hopefully using a few parts from her old PC though. The Cd/DVD drive, the Hard Drive, the PSU, and the Monitor

I'll post the build, but here are my questions first

1. Do you see any bottleneck spots?
2. Will 450 watts be enough to run the rig, I'm trying to reuse my 450 watt Black Widow Power Supply
3. From what I see the Video Card should fit just fine on this Mobo with this gaming case, do you agree?
3. Feel free to recommend a better product for any of the items I list, but keep in mind I'm on a budget, so stay around the price range of the item I posted or go with a lower price.
4. The Mobo I picked is a Z68, my understanding is that this board will allow me a chance to upgrade later if I choose to.
5. I'll be running this on Windows 7 64bit.

Ok to the parts

Her Hard Drive is a 7200 rpm Hitachi from an Hewitt Packard A6400f that she currently has. I know this HDD isn't the best, but will it play well with my system or bottleneck it? Below is the Spec. Page for the HP PC from the Hp website. Below that is a second link to it on Newegg I believe.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My Mobo. ASrock z68M - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - Sandy Bridge i5 2400 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
8GB (2x 4gb) G Skill 1333 Ram - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU - Geforce GTX 460 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PC Case - NZXT Tempest - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 3, 2012 10:28:02 AM

I hope I can be some help to you. please read my opinions and suggestions below.

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1. Do you see any bottleneck spots?
I might change the Ram to 1600 vice the 1333 speed since you selected a Z68 MB and spoke of upgrading the CPU at a later time.
I favor the Crucial or the Corsair for the low profile heat spreaders.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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2. Will 450 watts be enough to run the rig, I'm trying to reuse my 450 watt Black Widow Power Supply

not enough information to form an opinion as I could not find a spec sheet on the PSU you mentioned. can you post the specs and manufacture/model number?
does it have a PCI-e connectors (need 2x6pin)?
does it have a 4 or 8 pin 12V CPU power connector (need 8 pin for MB)?
what does the 12v rails look like spec wise (how many rails? how many Watts per rail)
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3. From what I see the Video Card should fit just fine on this Mobo with this gaming case, do you agree?

agree, no issues
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3. Feel free to recommend a better product for any of the items I list, but keep in mind I'm on a budget, so stay around the
price range of the item I posted or go with a lower price.

included in my line by line comments
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4. The Mobo I picked is a Z68, my understanding is that this board will allow me a chance to upgrade later if I choose to.

yes it should work with Intel Ivy bridge CPU's (Bios update may be required for MB)
If you think that you may upgrade to Ivy, then you might want to go with a lesser CPU like a i3-2120 (Dual Core). This CPU is plenty of power for the type of gaming you do and will save you $55.
see this article note the differences in the i5 2400 and the i3 2100. the i3 2120 will perform somewhere in between as it is just a faster i3 2100.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

I noted that there are a lot of DOA's listed in the reviews of the MB you chose. I recommend the next MB up (from ASRock) (+$25)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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5. I'll be running this on Windows 7 64bit.

good choice
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Her Hard Drive is a 7200 rpm Hitachi from an Hewitt Packard A6400f that she currently has. I know this HDD isn't the best, but will it play well with my system or bottleneck it? Below is the Spec. Page for the HP PC from the Hp website. Below that is a second link to it on Newegg I believe.

you will be ok with reusing the HDD. the current HDD prices are through the roof right now.
If you find more $ in your budget, the upgrade path I would suggest would be a 64GB SSD (Samsung 830 or Crucial M4) they run about $105-110 right now and would allow you to put the OS and your 2 current MMO's on it, using the HDD as a secondary drive.
Newegg has the Mushkin Chronos 90Gb SSD on sale right now for $115 it's a steal.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 3, 2012 2:18:04 PM

Thanks for the reply Jared, I was actually considering the i3 2120. I'll look into it more and see what some of the Spec boards say on SWTOR and Guild Wars 2 about it. It's hard to find non biased opinions sometimes, everyone wants to call a lower CPU crap just because its not the best.

Ok let me know if you need more specs than this on my PSU

Thermaltake Black Widow PC Gaming 450 Watt PSU
Dual 12V rails
only 1 port for a pci-e express 6 pin connector
the other 3 are for sata/molex ports

So it appears I'm going to be short on what I need on my power supply, based off the info you gave me earlier!
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March 3, 2012 2:33:31 PM

Also, I took your advice on the RAM. I was actually looking at 1600 RAM last night after I posted this, and I might as well pick it up for an extra 5 bucks. Thanks again for the help you have provided so far, my last request is for you to help me find a Power Supply to suite my needs for the current build I have. I'm currently looking into that i3 2120 some more.

G.skill 1600 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 4, 2012 6:58:16 AM

Ano334 said:
Thanks for the reply Jared, I was actually considering the i3 2120. I'll look into it more and see what some of the Spec boards say on SWTOR and Guild Wars 2 about it. It's hard to find non biased opinions sometimes, everyone wants to call a lower CPU crap just because its not the best.

Ok let me know if you need more specs than this on my PSU

Thermaltake Black Widow PC Gaming 450 Watt PSU
Dual 12V rails
only 1 port for a pci-e express 6 pin connector
the other 3 are for sata/molex ports

So it appears I'm going to be short on what I need on my power supply, based off the info you gave me earlier!


I looked up the Spec on your PSU. Its is showing 14A and 15A +12v Rails (348W total). these are pretty weak compared to a newer (good) PSU, but should power the GTX 460 (it shouldn't draw more than 200W). you will need to use the Molex to PCIe converter cable that comes with the Graphics card for the secondary PCIe connection. You will also need a 4 pin 12v CPU to 8 pin adapter cable. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... to connect to the z68 MB.

if you find extra $ in your budget these are all good PSU's for $60-$70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

there is nothing wrong with the G. Skill 1600 ram you selected either, my concern with the the RipJaws is always the heat spreader being very tall and interfering with the CPU heat sink. shouldn't be a problem with a stock fan/heatsink, but aftermarket coolers my have issues.
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