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June 18, 2012 6:22:15 PM

Currently I have a Phenom II x2 550 BE and an Nvidia GTX 460.

I could buy a Phenom II X4 965 BE for $105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or switch to Intel and buy a 2500k and mobo for a total of $300-$400

Would I see a big difference between the x2 and x4? and is the extra $300 for the switch to Intel justifiable?

Thanks for the help

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June 18, 2012 6:32:52 PM

The 965 BE is your best bet I think. It's powerful enough not to bottleneck most cards, and in general is a really solid chip. You certainly won't get 4x the performance by spending 4x the cash for an Intel rig.
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June 18, 2012 6:50:22 PM

+1, Stick with AMD til you need a massive GPU setup.
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June 18, 2012 7:53:40 PM

A lot depends on your main use for the PC. If this is for gaming, which graphics card are you pairing up with the processor?
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June 18, 2012 7:56:23 PM

clutchc said:
A lot depends on your main use for the PC. If this is for gaming, which graphics card are you pairing up with the processor?


For gaming and it's a GTX 460 768 mb at 1440x900
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June 18, 2012 8:28:03 PM

Shaddo said:
For gaming and it's a GTX 460 768 mb at 1440x900

Yeah, I saw that right after I hit submit. Duh...

Since you have a nice card and you game at a non-demanding resolution, I agree with the rest. Upgrade the processor (and you'll get more out of the graphics card) to a PhII X4 965BE as suggested. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Have you tried unlocking your processor's 2 dormant cores? Upping the multiplier to gain a little more speed?
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June 18, 2012 8:36:10 PM

clutchc said:
Yeah, I saw that right after I hit submit. Duh...

Since you have a nice card and you game at a non-demanding resolution, I agree with the rest. Upgrade the processor (and you'll get more out of the graphics card) to a PhII X4 965BE as suggested. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Have you tried unlocking your processor's 2 dormant cores? Upping the multiplier to gain a little more speed?


I have my cpu OC'd to 3.5ghz I think, and I have tried unlocking my cores but it wouldn't boot.
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June 18, 2012 9:13:26 PM

stick with amd. Only a fool would pay $300 for a processor.

FX-6100 is a beast at only $125 ish ..
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June 18, 2012 9:19:43 PM

maxpower054 said:
Only a fool would pay $300 for a processor.

Hey! There's no need to insult all of us that bought $300+ processors ;) 
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June 18, 2012 9:35:05 PM

maxpower054 said:
stick with amd. Only a fool would pay $300 for a processor.

FX-6100 is a beast at only $125 ish ..


My Mobo is has an AM3 socket, so I would have to buy one with an AM3+ socket for the FX
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June 18, 2012 9:43:46 PM

+1 unlock, what's your motherboard model?

A 4 core AMD = much much faster than a 2 core!
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June 18, 2012 10:00:29 PM

maxpower054 said:
stick with amd. Only a fool would pay $300 for a processor.

FX-6100 is a beast at only $125 ish ..

It's decent. I wouldn't say a beast, but it's not exactly garbage.

And some people use their computers for things other than gaming, by the way. Sometimes that extra CPU muscle really helps.
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June 18, 2012 10:30:04 PM

maxpower054 said:
stick with amd. Only a fool would pay $300 for a processor.

FX-6100 is a beast at only $125 ish ..


heh you obviously have never experienced performance then have you?

to the OP a GTX460 + X4 965 is a better suit then an i5 with a GTX460 the 460 will cap the i5

also unlock -- yes perhaps, if i remember correctly some of the X2 550's are quads with 2 cores disabled so with some luck and the right motherboard it may just work.
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June 18, 2012 11:44:58 PM

apache_lives said:
heh you obviously have never experienced performance then have you?

to the OP a GTX460 + X4 965 is a better suit then an i5 with a GTX460 the 460 will cap the i5

also unlock -- yes perhaps, if i remember correctly some of the X2 550's are quads with 2 cores disabled so with some luck and the right motherboard it may just work.

I've got a system with an i5-2400 w/ a GTX 460. Doesn't do anything super fancy that the rig in my sig cant. And no I don't think if I used a GTX 670 on each rig either one would greatly impress me more than the other, on paper the i5-2400 might do better, but on paper communism is a very effective system of government too.
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June 19, 2012 12:13:37 AM

maxpower054 said:
stick with amd. Only a fool would pay $300 for a processor.

FX-6100 is a beast at only $125 ish ..


Only a fool would buy a FX for gaming. It's $200 for the 2500k which is within range in gaming of all their more expensive CPUs. Generations ahead of AMD, though you need powerful GPUs pushing a ton of frames to see their real performance in most of today's games.

Learn math.
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June 19, 2012 12:21:35 AM

And people say I get a little touchy.....i5-2500K is $220 from Newegg, FX-8120s are $170. $50 price difference. Whats an FX-6100? $130? Well hell, I damn well expect the $220 one to perform better.
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June 19, 2012 12:27:40 AM

maxpower054 said:
stick with amd. Only a fool would pay $300 for a processor.

FX-6100 is a beast at only $125 ish ..


All of the FX processors come nowhere close to the energy and cost efficiency, except for one that received an honorable mention (but failed energy efficiency).

To the OP, if your motherboard can be updated to AM3+ and want to go AMD, wait for Piledriver. If you want performance and are willing to buy a new motherboard, then go with Ivy Bridge.
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June 19, 2012 12:33:45 AM

OP, go with the 965. A 2500K would be better, but in your situation, the 965 makes more sense. And with the two extra cores and possibly a bit of an OC too, if you want, I'd say it's definitely an upgrade.
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June 19, 2012 12:49:26 AM

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All of the FX processors come nowhere close to the energy and cost efficiency, except for one that received an honorable mention (but failed energy efficiency).


This is true, but I honestly don't consider energy use to be a high concern when talking about computers. This is strictly my opinion, the difference in terms of the electric bill is maybe a single incandescent light bulb on average.

I look at it this way, and I apologize if you've heard me say it before, if I'm buying a Ford Mustang with the V8 engine, how much gas it uses is not high up on my priority list. Sure, better gas mileage is nice, but there are certainly better cars to buy if gas mileage is a primary consideration.

Furthermore, I'm fortunate enough to have a lease that covers my electricity, I don't much care how much juice our computers use.
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June 19, 2012 12:51:26 AM

At 1440x900 and a GTX 460, there's little to be gained by more processor than the PHIIX4 965BE. That combo at stock will play any game today at fast frame rates and max/near max settings. More is always faster, but not always necessary.
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June 19, 2012 1:10:21 AM

would take the 965 route. use it for like a year or two, save money for intel Haswell/Broadwell line or whatever AMD can possible have in store in the future.
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June 19, 2012 1:14:07 AM

Well, for what its worth, its looking like the first look at PileDriver, (in Tom's new benches for the Trinity APUs), AMD is going to meet or exceed their 10% improvement goal on their roadmap for this year. Of course, they're still going to be behind Intel, but they still get the job done. To echo what clutch said, more is nice, but not always necessary.
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June 19, 2012 1:15:10 AM

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All of the FX processors come nowhere close to the energy and cost efficiency, except for one that received an honorable mention (but failed energy efficiency).


This is true, but I honestly don't consider energy use to be a high concern when talking about computers. This is strictly my opinion, the difference in terms of the electric bill is maybe a single incandescent light bulb on average.

I look at it this way, and I apologize if you've heard me say it before, if I'm buying a Ford Mustang with the V8 engine, how much gas it uses is not high up on my priority list. Sure, better gas mileage is nice, but there are certainly better cars to buy if gas mileage is a primary consideration.

Furthermore, I'm fortunate enough to have a lease that covers my electricity, I don't much care how much juice our computers use.


I wasn't looking at power consumption, but rather thermal output. A FX has to put out a lot more heat to catch up to a SB or IB.
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June 19, 2012 1:18:05 AM

I see what you're saying, now I'm not being a smartass, but why exactly is that a major concern? In all seriousness. I plead ignorance, but it seems to me this is not a substantial concern if you have a decent case with good airflow, which any homebuilder should.
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June 19, 2012 1:29:10 AM

FX is for the most part only excels at very few meaningful tasks besides serving as a space heater. Go and stay with the 965BE until it is proven that Piledriver is truly an upgrade.
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June 19, 2012 2:12:13 AM

...and hurry before all the Phenom II X4s are all gone from retail. They're gettin' scarce.
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June 19, 2012 4:11:26 PM

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June 20, 2012 2:58:47 AM

That's unfortunate that your PhIIX2BE won't unlock. It must be one of the few that don't. Were you at stock speed when you unlocked?
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June 20, 2012 3:41:05 PM

clutchc said:
That's unfortunate that your PhIIX2BE won't unlock. It must be one of the few that don't. Were you at stock speed when you unlocked?


I was, I did everything I could to get it to unlock and I had no luck.
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