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March 4, 2012 2:31:00 AM

Hey guys im new to this website/forum and new to building pc's at the minute im using a pc ive had for around 3 years the specs are.

AMD Athlon Dual Core x2 3.20Ghz processor Black edition asfar as i know
EVGA GTX275 Graphics card
750watt PSU
2GB memory
500GB hard drive
The motherboard i think is a ASUS but im not sure on the specs

My goal is to Upgrade it to a full gaming pc so i can play things like Battlefield 3 on Ultra and wont have to upgrade it for 2-3 years hopefully.

The things ive found to upgrade are.

AMD 6100 X6 Core Bulldozer processor/ intel i5 2500k processor

I dont know what to choose between the 2 becouse the AMD 6100 is £107.99 and the intel I5 2500k is £160 at cheapest i can find, also i dont know what motherboard i could have with the i5 2500k that isnt over £80.

Im going to buy either 8 or 16GB memory and im going to keep the PSU and 500GB hard drive.

The graphic card im having problems with aswell theres somany mixed reviews on the 2 i want either the Nvidia GTX 560Ti OC Frozr 2 or the HIS HD 6950 IceQ 2GB.


Can you guys help me with this please? ive been looking for about 3 weeks now on what to upgrade to and now im hoping for some good professional advice thanks.

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March 4, 2012 2:35:55 AM

Sorry i forgot to say, If there is something else that is better than what ive written above id love to know what they are Thanks.
a b B Homebuilt system
March 4, 2012 3:09:55 AM

Well, first of all, what is your exact, max/min/preferred budget? Once we have that, we can make better suggestions.

Also, are you just wanting to game and game only, or do you want to do other things like edit videos, etc...
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 4, 2012 3:27:32 AM

the i5-2500k is probalby the best gaming cpu for the price. heres a cpu hierarchy chart
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overcloc...

anything over the i5-2500k is probably overkill
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

"CPUs priced over $220 offer rapidly diminishing returns when it comes to game performance. As such, we have a hard time recommending anything more expensive than the Core i5-2500K, especially since this multiplier-unlocked processor can be tuned to great effect if more performance is desired. Even at stock clocks, it meets or beats the $1000 Core i7-990X Extreme Edition when it comes to gaming."

For battlefield 3 playing at 1920 by 1080, the HD 6950 does a little better. approximately 7 FPS higher
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...

For gaming, 8 GB of ram is sufficient. 16 is overkill
March 4, 2012 3:33:04 AM

phyco126 said:
Well, first of all, what is your exact, max/min/preferred budget? Once we have that, we can make better suggestions.

Also, are you just wanting to game and game only, or do you want to do other things like edit videos, etc...
It's purely for gaming and surfing the Internet I have a laptop for the rest. My budget is around £350 for the motherboard, GPU and Processor I might be able to add a bit more if needed but not 100% on it yet btw how do amd phenom x4 stack up to the others I mentioned?
a b B Homebuilt system
March 4, 2012 3:36:44 AM

Yes, I agree. 16GB of ram is overkill for games

I've seen people keep arguing over the 560ti and 6950 long enough that i have one conclusion. The 6950 is a bit faster than the 560ti in most games(Not nvidia optimized games) and uses less power but also costs a bit more, but the difference in performance is not between playable and not playable, they're very similar. So, if you want a cheaper card, get the 560ti, if you want a more power efficient card get the 6950. Personally, I would choose the 560ti for single card system since it's a bit cheaper but the 6950 for multi gpu build since it uses less power
March 4, 2012 4:28:33 AM

With the 2500k you will have a top preforming processor for gaming however your choice of a video card falls short of your stated goals.

For performance balanced with cost, my recommendation is two AMD HD6870's in CF. Starting at $159 apiece (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600083901%20600083829&IsNodeId=1&name=Radeon%20HD%206870) this would not increase your budget too much but it would increase your performance drastically. Two HD6870's in CrossFire will out preform one GTX 580 in most benchmarks. I use this set up with 3-24in monitors and they preform excellent in both extended and eyefinity mode without breaking the bank!

Only you can decide whether this fits your budget and you can always start out with one card and upgrade to two at a later more affordable date.

P.S. I'm in agreement with everyone else on the ram. 8GB should be more than enough for games and web surfing. :sol: 
March 4, 2012 12:18:04 PM

Idonno said:
With the 2500k you will have a top preforming processor for gaming however your choice of a video card falls short of your stated goals.

For performance balanced with cost, my recommendation is two AMD HD6870's in CF. Starting at $159 apiece (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600083901%20600083829&IsNodeId=1&name=Radeon%20HD%206870) this would not increase your budget too much but it would increase your performance drastically. Two HD6870's in CrossFire will out preform one GTX 580 in most benchmarks. I use this set up with 3-24in monitors and they preform excellent in both extended and eyefinity mode without breaking the bank!

Only you can decide whether this fits your budget and you can always start out with one card and upgrade to two at a later more affordable date.

P.S. I'm in agreement with everyone else on the ram. 8GB should be more than enough for games and web surfing. :sol: 
Hmm ok howlong would having those cards in crossfire last me with games like MOH warfighter coming out? i would need them for full on gaming for aslong as possible. BTW would the i5 2500k be better than the bulldozer in the longrun?
a b B Homebuilt system
March 4, 2012 12:29:52 PM

A 2500K is far better than any FX cpu in games. Although crossfire/SLI is a good way to get good performance at a lower cost but, there are always issue with them such as power, heat, micro-stuttering, the game doesn't scale well, etc. I'd suggest getting a high end card such as a 570 or 6970 if it's in the $300 range
March 4, 2012 12:52:52 PM

Thats the problem, whatever i spend more on ie the processor that is £60 more than the processor i was going to get first before finding this stuff out the others have to be cheaper like i dont know a cheapish motherboard to go with a i5 2500k and now i dont know what graphic card to buy i was set on the MSI GTX 560Ti or the HIS HD 6950 but from what ive read here today i could get something cheaper that does the same performance but doesnt support dx 11 or any new that come out soon so atm im completely lost lol
a b B Homebuilt system
March 4, 2012 1:14:16 PM

How about an i5-2400(doesn't overclock but still performs as well as a 2500K at stcok speed), an H67/H61(if you don't need to SLI/Crossfire), and a 560ti or a 6950 OR even a 570/6970 for the video card if it fits in your budget. These are very well balanced system if your main focus is gaming
March 4, 2012 1:27:31 PM

Well whatever money i save towards processor and motherboard ill be putting towards a better GPU but atm the cheapest i5-2400 i can find is £15 cheaper than the i5 2500k and to be honest id rather pay the £15
a b B Homebuilt system
March 4, 2012 1:29:23 PM

Then I guess you have made a decision?
a b B Homebuilt system
March 4, 2012 1:52:53 PM

If you're not planning on SLI or crossfire, have no need for sata 3, it's a good board, but then you can't overclock your cpu(can only be oc on p67 and z68), hence why I suggest getting a slightly cheaper cpu, the 2400. As I've said on the before(look up), any 560ti and above is suitable for your build, I suggest something higher like a 570 or 6970 for great performance at 1080p. You can max out almost all games and with 4XAA
March 4, 2012 1:57:01 PM

Ok thanks ill have a look around for the motherboard now hopefully i find something soon. Well my plan was to buy something good for gaming than i could sli in the future when games start stretching the recent GPU so im just looking for the motherboards you said ty =)
March 4, 2012 2:00:52 PM

A 560 TI with 448 cores is probably the best value per money you can get.
March 4, 2012 2:07:01 PM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
March 4, 2012 3:16:52 PM

What PSU should i have to run a system with the i5-2500k?
March 4, 2012 11:01:57 PM

LvSLoLo said:
Ive just foundout what motherboard i have its a
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-M2N4-SLI-Motherboard-Ether...

is it worth keeping?


Not for a 2500K, this would do:GIGABYTE GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128495)

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Hmm ok howlong would having those cards in crossfire last me with games like MOH warfighter coming out? i would need them for full on gaming for aslong as possible.


A long, long time (in computer years) (kind of like dog years). This article might help you decide: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/31185-powercolor-radeon-hd-6870-x2-graphics-card-review/?page=3 Not only is the HD 6870's performance excellent, but In the Value Analysis at the end of the article the HD 6870 wins in both (all) categories.

Results for all cards we've discussed so far on this thread are also compared in the article.

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BTW would the i5 2500k be better than the bulldozer in the longrun?


In my opinion yes (for gaming), even in the long run.

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What PSU should i have to run a system with the i5-2500k?


That depends entirely on the components in your final decision and whether you want to leave room for possible upgrades. Right now I would say between 500w (single GPU) & 700w (double). You could get away with less but I like to stay a comfortable margin away from stressing my PSU. The final size (in watts) will become far clearer when you decide exactly what components you want for both now and future upgrades. The quality of the PSU will have an effect on the necessary (stated) wattage as well :sol: 
March 6, 2012 4:57:27 PM

Thanks everyone =) you have been very helpful but i have 1 more problem, what would i be better off buying a MSI nVIDIA GTX560Ti OC 880MHz, Zotac GTX 560 Ti 448 Core Limited Edition or a XFX HD 6970 2GB? please help im about to buy one of them and ive got no idea what is better all benchmarks show diffirent outcomes
March 6, 2012 5:18:30 PM

LvSLoLo said:
Thanks everyone =) you have been very helpful but i have 1 more problem, what would i be better off buying a MSI nVIDIA GTX560Ti OC 880MHz, Zotac GTX 560 Ti 448 Core Limited Edition or a XFX HD 6970 2GB? please help im about to buy one of them and ive got no idea what is better all benchmarks show diffirent outcomes


Did you check out this link that I posted in my previous post? http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/31185-powercolor-radeon-hd-6870-x2-graphics-card-review/?page=3 Read all pages.

:sol: 
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