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[New Build] Need advice. First time build. $2000 budget.

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March 4, 2012 9:50:10 PM

Hello. This will be my first build from the ground up. I've had pre build desktops before and I have swapped out hardware (gpu's, ram, psu's, etc), but besides few hardware swaps im a noob.
I have most the hardware picked out. Done some research on these parts. Want to spend around $2000 more besides the stuff i already bought. Willing to go over $2000 if its worth it.
Please give me your advice on the build i have in mind.

- Approximate Purchase Date: Soon on everything but the GPU. I want to wait for is the graphics card. Im waiting on the GTX 680 release.

- Budget Range: $2000

- System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Graphics (photoshop CS5), some video editing, office, and net browsing.

- Parts Not Required: CPU, HHD, Keyboard, Mouse, External Speakers, GPU (because im waiting on the gtx 600 series)

- Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, amazon, tiger direct

- Country: USA

- Parts Preferences: anything that is reliable and good quiality. With great performance.

- Overclocking: Maybe, but not much

- SLI or Crossfire: Yes. after i buy my gpu i may wait a while till i get another.

- Monitor Resolution: 1080p led

- Additional Comments: want a solid build with quality parts that will last me a few years. Top notch performance. Clean looking. Dont want to go full tower. will use a dual graphics cards in the future if need be.

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I already have : i7 2700k, Hitachi 2tb hhd 7200 rpm 64mb cache sata 3, logitech g700 mouse, logitech g110 keyboard, and logitech z523 speakers.

These are the parts I have in mind...

- asus p8z68-v pro/gen3 motherboard
- corsair obsidian 650d case (will also order the mesh side panel for $15 from corsair. Gives the case side cooling.
- corsair 16 gb vengeance 1600 ram
- liteOn ihbs212-08 bluray writer
- corsair h100
- not sure what PSU to buy... corsair hx1050? AX1200?

was also planing on getting a 60gb ssd for windows and another 60gb ssd for the motherboard cache feature that z68's have.
Looking for SSD's with 500+ write and read speeds.


Any help or opinions will help. Thanks

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March 4, 2012 10:21:50 PM

I would get a good air cooler instead of the H100. Just how cool does your cpu really need to be for a good OC?
Air coolers are cheaper, quieter, and cool well. A $30 air cooler will do the job, but $60-$80 gets you a beast from noctua or prolimatech.

The Z68 cache is interesting, but I don't think it is great without a specialized environment.
If you go that route, look into the intel 311 slc series built for the job. They are expensive.
Best to research that capability thoroughly to see if it will be of benefit to you.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Better yet, just get a larger conventional ssd for both the os and the more important apps or data.
Do not be seduced by glowing synthetic benchmarks. They bear little resemblance to what we normally do.
Most current SSD's will perform about the same in normal work.
Today, I wouuld pay a bit more for intel or samsung.

The new 28nm graphics cards will use less power. The 7970 only requires a 500w psu.
I would expect kepler like 680 to be similar.

If you will be gaming on a single monitor, then sli will be overkill, GTX680 and a psu of 650-750w should be plenty.
If you ever should need more, there will be dual chip variants to the GTX680 and 7970 which should run on the same psu.
Just sell the old card and replace with the new.

Keep some of your budget in reserve for future updates. Spending all of it now will bring smaller returns for your dollar.
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March 4, 2012 10:47:58 PM

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Also, make sure your data disk ( scratch disk is a separate drive ( and not an ssd but preferably a raid 0 or raid 10 array)
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March 4, 2012 10:55:31 PM

I'm going to look into the air coolers you pointed out.
Intel 311 drives are interesting but a bit pricey and for 20gb only. the higher capacity ones are real expensive. Was thinking of corsair force gt or a mushkin. I will look into the samsungs though.
Also about the psu...if i get say an 850 power supply, will that be enough for a gtx 690 or a single 680 plus multiple hard dives and everything else in my build? I was under the understanding that getting more power is good for future upgrades.
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March 4, 2012 11:06:26 PM

850W is enough for two high end cards(5870 in crossfire) and multiple hard drives(1 SSD and 4 HDD), overclocked 1366 cpu and even an LCS cooling. I can't say for sure how much power the 680 or 690 is going to consume since it isn't out yet but if you look back on some older cards which are not that much efficient, it is more than enough. As long as it's a quality psu though such as the HX850
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March 4, 2012 11:17:04 PM

inhuman5000 said:
I'm going to look into the air coolers you pointed out.
Intel 311 drives are interesting but a bit pricey and for 20gb only. the higher capacity ones are real expensive. Was thinking of corsair force gt or a mushkin. I will look into the samsungs though.
Also about the psu...if i get say an 850 power supply, will that be enough for a gtx 690 or a single 680 plus multiple hard dives and everything else in my build? I was under the understanding that getting more power is good for future upgrades.


I think there is a current guideline that no graphics card should draw more that 300w max. All other parts of a PC are relatively insignificant, needing only 250w or so.
By that calculation, 850w for two cards and the rest, should do it, and will probably still be more than you need.

The Noctua NH-D14 is as good as it gets. Noctua fans are superb:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Really, though, a cm hyper212 or Xigmatek gaia for $30 will do the job.
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March 4, 2012 11:25:29 PM

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850W is enough for two high end cards(5870 in crossfire) and multiple hard drives(1 SSD and 4 HDD), overclocked 1366 cpu and even an LCS cooling. I can't say for sure how much power the 680 or 690 is going to consume since it isn't out yet but if you look back on some older cards which are not that much efficient, it is more than enough. As long as it's a quality psu though such as the HX850


Like the AX850. Just curious though, will that handle 2 680.s? I know it's over kill for what I'm trying to do because i won't use 2 monitors.
But i will most likely have multiple ssd's and one hhd.

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I think there is a current guideline that no graphics card should draw more that 300w max. All other parts of a PC are relatively insignificant, needing only 250w or so.
By that calculation, 850w for two cards and the rest, should do it, and will probably still be more than you need.

The Noctua NH-D14 is as good as it gets. Noctua fans are superb:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835608018

Really, though, a cm hyper212 or Xigmatek gaia for $30 will do the job.


Yeah im probably going to get an 80 + gold PSU (AX850), and most are saying good things about the NOCTUA. I thought the H100 was good lol. I think you guys have convinced me to get a Noctua, CM, or xigmatec for cooling.


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March 4, 2012 11:45:26 PM

Yes, I too prefer on high-end air coolers rather than pre-filled liquid cooler. The D14 is really good(a personal favorite) and it's just as good as the H100.

AsI said before, I don't know the power usage of the 680 since it's not out yet, but I'm sure it'll work just fine. I don't see the difference between the HX and the AX besides the efficiency, but it's up to you
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March 5, 2012 12:17:43 AM

alright. Thank you. Everyone was helpful!
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March 5, 2012 3:47:49 AM

Almost forgot...
What do you guys think of the corsair 650d with mesh side?
I was indecisive between that case, the corsair 500r, corsair 600t white, antec eleven hundred.
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March 5, 2012 3:53:10 AM

I prefer the 600T because of the looks and mesh on almost all sides. But mostly, it's because of the looks. The 650D is also a great case. Any case among those is really good btw since you've got good ventilation and good cable management.
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March 5, 2012 4:15:14 AM

For 2 680s, I am assuming it will run with a bit less power than two 580s, so I recommend atleast 900W.
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March 5, 2012 4:16:59 AM

azeem40 said:
For 2 680s, I am assuming it will run with a bit less power than two 580s, so I recommend atleast 900W.


If it uses less power than the 580, a 750W is enough for 2 cards.
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March 5, 2012 4:20:48 AM

900W is the recommended for the 580s, so how would 2 680s be 150W less power? There's not even that big of a power consumption between the 6950 and 7950 or the 480 and 580. I am positive that no way will 2 680s consume less power than 2 7970s, so 2 680s can't make a 150W power consumption save from two 580s.
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March 5, 2012 4:30:07 AM

I've seen people running two 580s and an overclocked 2600K and fully stable 24/7. On a good quality psu that is
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March 5, 2012 4:31:39 AM

I've also wanted to get a 580 in SLI, and I was recommended 900W minimum, so I am just assuming that 680s will need about 850W from what I have seen from other GPUs of a newer gen (they usually don't save THAT much power).
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March 5, 2012 4:37:34 AM

When a system actually pulls around 700W from the wall, the converted power in DC is actually lower so a 750W is more for that build. Although for that build and maybe 2 680s later, 850W is the best choice and with plenty of headroom for the psu to degrade in the future. While you do need to overkill your psu a bit, don't overkill too much and waste more money
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March 5, 2012 5:28:06 AM

So shall i go for the hx1050 80+ silver to be on the safe side? Or go for the ax850 80 + gold?
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March 5, 2012 5:28:48 AM

900W will be plenty.
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March 5, 2012 5:39:14 AM

850W-900W will be plenty. If you prefer higher efficiency, go for the AX850(80+ gold), otherwise the HX850 is pretty much the same except 80+silver
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March 5, 2012 6:15:06 AM

ok Ill go with the AX850. Thanks.

Sounds crazy but I want to use a 60 gb SSD for the OS 60 gb ssd for the cache, and get a 120 ssd for my programs and games. Lastly ill use the 2tb HHD for pictures , videos and files.

Is this too much? I think that setup will work fine with me if you guys see no issues with my build. (Power issues, connection issues, etc)
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March 5, 2012 6:20:03 AM

The only problem I see is that you don't need that much SSD, they're not cheap. Why not get something along 120GB-240GB and have your OS, programs and games installed on the same drive.

Crucial M4 256GB is around $340 and it's a better option that way
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or the 12GB for $174
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

More drives are prone to more failures unless you set it in raid 1 or raid 10
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March 5, 2012 6:40:37 AM

I think you are right. A 120,180,240 ssd is a better choice for the OS and programs.
And a 60 for the cache.
I know cruicial is a reliable brand. What do you think of the Corsair Force GT(synchronous memory)?
Or the Mushkin enhanced chronos?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


*EDIT. oops, lol yes i mean corsair :) 
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March 5, 2012 6:43:53 AM

I'm pretty sure you meant corsair. The corsair force is pretty good. I've seen many people use it and it is pretty fast as well so also recommended. Not sure about the mushkin though
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March 5, 2012 9:25:29 AM

the budget u mentioned does it include 680 if yes then

i have few sugestion

psu - guys were debating about psu but no one calculated

asume that u are going to put 2 580 then each will 244w at max which never reach. Its around 215w. So 2 cards oced will eat 500w and ur oced system will around 250w that is 750w

assume that a 850w 80+ gold with 85 percent efficiency will give 722.5w and i didnt calculate capacitor:o .

So u will a 1000w psu.
The fact is corsair and xfxs oem is seasonic . Thats y corsair sell psu very costly.

Example: corsair hx 1050w psu mrp is 230 usd and seasonic x 1050w 80+ gold cost 220 usd


u can also get seasonic 870w 80+ platinum cost 220 but is not worth it.

Psu cost - 220 usd

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March 5, 2012 9:37:00 AM

serialkiller said:
the budget u mentioned does it include 680 if yes then

i have few sugestion

psu - guys were debating about psu but no one calculated

asume that u are going to put 2 580 then each will 244w at max which never reach. Its around 215w. So 2 cards oced will eat 500w and ur oced system will around 250w that is 750w

assume that a 850w 80+ gold with 85 percent efficiency will give 722.5w and i didnt calculate capacitor:o .

So u will a 1000w psu.
The fact is corsair and xfxs oem is seasonic . Thats y corsair sell psu very costly.

Example: corsair hx 1050w psu mrp is 230 usd and seasonic x 1050w 80+ gold cost 220 usd


u can also get seasonic 870w 80+ platinum cost 220 but is not worth it.

Psu cost - 220 usd


The way you calculate isn't very accurate. Not to mention that 2 580s alone won't pull 500W and a complete system will pull something below 650W. If you're using some power calculator, they're not very accurate. Here is a real world testing proof

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-gtx580-directcu-ii-s...

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March 5, 2012 10:35:18 AM

i know thats why i mentioned on its max and by the way it can reach near that point if madingly ocing with watercooling
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March 5, 2012 11:04:39 AM

if your never sure just buy the seasonic x-1250 1250W 80PLUS Gold or the Corsair AX1200 1200W 80PLUS Gold.

nothings over kill there, just you spending cash on an epic power supply you will probably never max out but hey at least with that kind of head room you will have much more than enough stuff to put around and probably power up a Christmas tree LOL....

it's the same with the dough you have in your wallet you prefer to have a huge head room i suppose, as a 1200w psu doesn't really pull that much from the wall unless your system does pull that much at idle/full load
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March 5, 2012 11:38:19 AM

850watt for a power supply will be plenty. You can run Sli/xfire on a 750watt easily. The newer gen cards are running on lower power consumption anyways.

Do not skimp on Quality. Go for a Seasonic since you have a high budget. I'd buy a 850 platinum serious or along those lines.

Get an SSD (Samsung 830 or Crucial m4) at least 128gb.

If your going with the 650D I would buy the h100. The 650D is not a great "air" case. I prefer Air, but in a suitable case.

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March 5, 2012 11:44:31 AM

Tavo_Nova said:
if your never sure just buy the seasonic x-1250 1250W 80PLUS Gold or the Corsair AX1200 1200W 80PLUS Gold.

nothings over kill there, just you spending cash on an epic power supply you will probably never max out but hey at least with that kind of head room you will have much more than enough stuff to put around and probably power up a Christmas tree LOL....

it's the same with the dough you have in your wallet you prefer to have a huge head room i suppose, as a 1200w psu doesn't really pull that much from the wall unless your system does pull that much at idle/full load


LOL good one...
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March 5, 2012 11:44:50 AM

Tavo_Nova said:
if your never sure just buy the seasonic x-1250 1250W 80PLUS Gold or the Corsair AX1200 1200W 80PLUS Gold.

nothings over kill there, just you spending cash on an epic power supply you will probably never max out but hey at least with that kind of head room you will have much more than enough stuff to put around and probably power up a Christmas tree LOL....

it's the same with the dough you have in your wallet you prefer to have a huge head room i suppose, as a 1200w psu doesn't really pull that much from the wall unless your system does pull that much at idle/full load


Awful advice. Only way you'd ever need a 1200watt is for trifire/quadfire and a ton of oc'ing. Least the quality is spot on.
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March 5, 2012 11:47:16 AM

hotthree said:
Awful advice. Only way you'd ever need a 1200watt is for trifire/quadfire and a ton of oc'ing. Least the quality is spot on.


It's clearly sarcasm
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March 5, 2012 2:54:31 PM

hotthree said:
850watt for a power supply will be plenty. You can run Sli/xfire on a 750watt easily. The newer gen cards are running on lower power consumption anyways.

Do not skimp on Quality. Go for a Seasonic since you have a high budget. I'd buy a 850 platinum serious or along those lines.

Get an SSD (Samsung 830 or Crucial m4) at least 128gb.

If your going with the 650D I would buy the h100. The 650D is not a great "air" case. I prefer Air, but in a suitable case.


That's why I'm going to buy the optional side mesh panel for it. That way i can install some side cooling.
But now I'm curious, what cases would you guys recommend?
Looking for a large mid tower. Nothing flashy but it has to look nice and sleek.
With usb 3.0 i/0.
I am kind of leaning to the 500r white as well. I know it has better air flow than the 650d but noisier. Also i hear you can't replace the build in fans to work with the fan controller because of the connection it uses. Some also say it feels cheap? I like the case though.
There are a few full tower cases i like but they are too big. Design wise i like Xigmatek Elysium ,Enermax fulmo gt, and that crazy expensive silverstone. I like the look of them.don't know if the are good function wise. If there are mid towers that look like that and have cool i/0.s I'm open for suggestions.
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March 12, 2012 6:20:28 AM

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