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June 20, 2012 12:55:16 PM

have the following

Win7
AMD Phenom II X4 925
8GB Ram
FOXCONN 2AB1 Mobo
GTX580


I think for the games I play the CPU is maxing out before the graphics card. Can I upgrade just the MB or CPU or would I need to do both? Any suggestions on specific products?

THanks!

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June 20, 2012 1:15:53 PM

if you are AMD fan i'd get the PHENOM 980 BE it is still excellent chip from AMD side.
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June 20, 2012 1:20:41 PM

^+1 , or just sell off the whole rig and get a brand new LGA 1155 one :) 
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June 20, 2012 1:29:17 PM

you really don't need a new cpu.. your motherboard might be cheap so if anything get an am3+ mobo with a zambezi cpu and you are in the clear for core i7 920 performance...
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June 20, 2012 2:04:04 PM

On the BE Phenom, any suggested places to look for it? Never swapped out a processor, its it kinda just plug and play?
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June 20, 2012 2:04:16 PM

prine06 said:
have the following

Win7
AMD Phenom II X4 925
8GB Ram
FOXCONN 2AB1 Mobo
GTX580


I think for the games I play the CPU is maxing out before the graphics card. Can I upgrade just the MB or CPU or would I need to do both? Any suggestions on specific products?

THanks!


I agree with yourself and xtreme5 your CPU is most likely the bottleneck on your system. You could probably swap out your processor for any of the Phenom II X4 955/965/970/975/980 black edition or the Phenom II X6 1065/1055/1045/1035.

Unfortunately the Phenom II X6 1075/1090/1100 will not work on your current motherboard supports only 95 watt cpus.

Thats most likely going to be your limiting factor : the wattage supplied by your motherboard. A complete spec sheet for the motherboard would help you alot.

Hope this helps


Mobo specs : http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/foxconn-motherboard-2ab...
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June 20, 2012 2:07:48 PM

Motherboard
Manufacturer FOXCONN
Model 2AB1 (CPU 1)
Chipset Vendor AMD
Chipset Model 785G
Chipset Revision 00
Southbridge Vendor AMD
Southbridge Model SB700
Southbridge Revision 00
System Temperature 56 °C
BIOS
Brand American Megatrends Inc.
Version 6.01
Date 07/02/2010
Voltage
+5V 5.019 V
CPU CORE 2.220 V
VIN3 1.656 V
VIN4 2.220 V
+3.3V 2.773 V
VIN6 2.220 V
VIN7 1.644 V
VIN8 1.620 V
PCI Data
Slot PCI
Slot Type PCI
Slot Usage In Use
Bus Width Unknown
Slot Designation PCI-E x16
Slot Number 0
Slot PCI
Slot Type PCI
Slot Usage In Use
Bus Width Unknown
Slot Designation MINI PCI-E x1
Slot Number 1
Slot PCI
Slot Type PCI
Slot Usage Available
Bus Width Unknown
Slot Designation PCI-E x1
Slot Number 2
Slot PCI
Slot Type PCI
Slot Usage Available
Bus Width Unknown
Slot Designation PCI-E x1
Slot Number 3
Slot PCI
Slot Type PCI
Slot Usage Available
Bus Width Unknown
Slot Designation PCI-E x1
Slot Number 4
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June 20, 2012 2:17:17 PM

Another note,

Im currently running a Radeon HD 5770 1GB Card (Was about to purchase the GTX)

Would it be smarter to upgrade the CPU/Mobo > Graphics?
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June 20, 2012 2:29:00 PM

mobo find out yourself, the cpu and gpu you can get the 980BE and a GTX 560ti or 570, this is all you need.
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June 20, 2012 2:42:49 PM

Ok thanks for all the help
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June 20, 2012 2:50:25 PM

welcome, anytime.
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June 20, 2012 3:09:45 PM

wait hold on here..... That processor is not a bottle neck. To be honest there is nothing wrong with your setup (from what i can see) apart from the motherboard being a little weedy.
If you want to throw money at your system then you could upgrade the motherboard and CPU but to be honest i would save your money and get a whole new system when the time is right.
A quad core phenom II system with a GTX580 is a great system for gaming.

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June 20, 2012 3:15:41 PM

I would suggest if you're going the Phenom II 980 and mobo upgrade route, to just buy a 965, they're a little cheaper, and it should overclock just as well as the more expensive 980, as they're the same stepping revision.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Budget-minded but decent motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd also ask what kind of power supply you have, make and model, as I'm guessing this Foxconn board is part of a pre-built package.
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June 20, 2012 3:33:32 PM

Yeah was researching that, money-wise I was thinking the 965 was a smarter choice. And going the OC route with a new MB too.

Question: Ive never replace a mobo/cpu, Can I take a image of my current system, assuming im going the 965 route, and drop it on the new mobo/cpu?
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June 20, 2012 3:59:50 PM

prine06 said:
Yeah was researching that, money-wise I was thinking the 965 was a smarter choice. And going the OC route with a new MB too.

Question: Ive never replace a mobo/cpu, Can I take a image of my current system, assuming im going the 965 route, and drop it on the new mobo/cpu?


My advice would be to watch some guide videos to get an idea how its done, but taking pictures can help you for guidance purposes.

Like I said, I'd really like to know what power supply you have. You didn't answer my assumption, but I have a WAG (wild ass guess) that this is an HP pre-buit. The power supply may need an upgrade if you haven't already done so, also I cannot guarantee that if it is a Prebuilt that a motherboard swap will be possible and/or painless, as I don't know whether or not HP has any fancy annoying proprietary setups like Dell is famous for.

Barring any kind of proprietary case designs, installation is fairly straightforward, all you have to do is take your time with everything. You may consider upgrading your CPU cooler, as you're not really going to be able to go past 3.6-3.7GHZ with the stock one. A CoolerMaster 212 Evo is a very decent choice, or cheaper a Hyper N520 such as I have. Although check your case dimensions, a bigger cooler may not fit and you may need something low profile like a CM Gemini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OVyni17uF8

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June 20, 2012 4:13:23 PM

What model HP? And the Antec will probably be fine. Since obviously the power supply swapped in okay, there may be hope for the case.
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June 20, 2012 4:46:57 PM

nekulturny said:
What model HP? And the Antec will probably be fine. Since obviously the power supply swapped in okay, there may be hope for the case.


HP P6440F
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June 20, 2012 5:06:15 PM

Hmm.. Well, I looked up the model number and it gave me a Core2Quad system with a microATX board and the Foxconn board you have now is a microATX, so I'm going to go with it should work, but only if you were to get a microATX AM3+ board, or consider getting a new case, you can get decent ones for less than 60. A better case would be a really good idea for a GTX 580 anyway, mind you.

I really don't like any of the AM3+ offerings in the MicroATX form factor, but something like this would work:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or go with the board I suggested and upgrade your case and do a system transplant..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 20, 2012 6:02:52 PM

Ok, I wil look over those options. Is there any cons to using the other MB with my existing case?


Thanks by the way, I appreciate all your help.
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June 20, 2012 6:34:14 PM

Whoa up there. The 980BE is also a 125W chip, so you cannot use that one either. The strongest X4 you can use is one of the versions of the 955BE; overclocking it could put your mobo at risk for burned out VRM circuits.
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June 20, 2012 6:36:47 PM

Onus said:
Whoa up there. The 980BE is also a 125W chip, so you cannot use that one either. The strongest X4 you can use is one of the versions of the 955BE; overclocking it could put your mobo at risk for burned out VRM circuits.


Im going with the 965 and a Mobo upgrade, overclocking will give me plenty of power.
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June 20, 2012 8:44:30 PM

Onus said:
Whoa up there. The 980BE is also a 125W chip, so you cannot use that one either. The strongest X4 you can use is one of the versions of the 955BE; overclocking it could put your mobo at risk for burned out VRM circuits.

Understood, as mentioned, we're discussing a mobo and CPU upgrade, theres no way I'd advise anyone to overclock on a foxconn stock HP mobo lol.
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June 20, 2012 8:58:06 PM

prine06 said:
Ok, I wil look over those options. Is there any cons to using the other MB with my existing case?


Thanks by the way, I appreciate all your help.

You're welcome.

There are a couple concerns yes. Depending on how good the airflow is, the case may not have been made with the idea of putting a GTX 580 in it, the card may run hotter than it needs to. Also, there is a chance a board will not fit, as it may or may not be designed to accept only proprietary motherboards. Also, the case will only take a microATX board I believe, like I said, I'm not too thrilled with the AM3+ mATX choices that I found while searching. They're all older chipsets or overpriced for modern chipsets.
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June 20, 2012 9:57:35 PM

If you're getting a new mobo anyway, Intel is the better choice; and this comes from someone who has built more AMD than Intel rigs in the last few years. Recent articles and benchmarks (many right here) have clearly shown that there is no longer any price point at which Intel does not out-perform AMD in games.
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June 20, 2012 10:05:46 PM

Up to you, I don't really agree with some of their conclusions, but if the Intel route is decided, definitely go for an i5. Regardless of what Tom's says, a dual core (i3) is not a good choice going forward in 2012 for a modern system.

Heres a good choice:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or go for a 2500K if you want to overclock. They're about 30 bucks more.

BTW, thats again a Full Sized ATX which will most likely require a new case.. If you're seriously interested, I'll look for one in the microATX flavor.
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June 21, 2012 1:57:10 AM

I got the stuff on the way. Found the case at cheaper at best buy of all places.

Question on the transfer. Can I boot it up and install new drivers ect or will I need to start from scratch?
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June 21, 2012 2:38:28 AM

Windows Vista and 7 are pretty forgiving when it comes to a system transplant, but you should always backup your data and do a clean install for best results.
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June 26, 2012 12:32:55 PM

Ok well I bought the items you recommended dropped them into the new case. I dont have a windows 7 cd so I did the 'restore pc to factory conditions' becuase its a prebuilt.

The computer boots fine but locks trying to load windows, any help?
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June 26, 2012 10:18:38 PM

Factory defaults will likely be an image designed to work with the factory hardware, not with major substitutions. You may need a new copy of Windows.
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June 27, 2012 2:55:52 PM

Ditto on that, Windows7 is usually very forgiving with hardware changes, but when you're working with a HDD from pre-built, it can occasionally get obnoxious. The copy of Windows may be bound to the motherboard of the original system.
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June 27, 2012 3:16:01 PM

Finally got it working, Did new a new copy of windows.
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June 27, 2012 10:20:42 PM

Nice. Have fun with your new hardware.
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