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March 7, 2012 1:29:07 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: anytime

Budget Range: $450 Before Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: accounting software, microsoft office, web browsing

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: directcanada.com

Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: quality

Overclocking: no

SLI or Crossfire: no

Monitor Resolution: 1600x1200

Additional Comments: small, quiet, cheap and reliable. prefer a build around i3. I can bump the budget up a little more if necessary but not too much. the budget needs to include win7 pro x64. Anyone know where to get it cheap?
March 7, 2012 2:49:33 PM

buy an oem copy of win7 p x64. much cheaper than retail.

i3 even a low end model.
intel or other brand cheap mobo with integrated sound/video.
2x2gb ram, value series of a big brand (ocz, etc)
big brand hdd, i like wd caviar blacks
cheap case with 120mm fans

you should be fine with that budget considering you only need a very low power rig.
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March 7, 2012 3:40:01 PM

ssddx said:
buy an oem copy of win7 p x64. much cheaper than retail.

i3 even a low end model.
intel or other brand cheap mobo with integrated sound/video.
2x2gb ram, value series of a big brand (ocz, etc)
big brand hdd, i like wd caviar blacks
cheap case with 120mm fans

you should be fine with that budget considering you only need a very low power rig.


You're not going to get a Caviar Black and an i3-2120 on a $450 budget - that's not possible at all - and skip the case fans, you don't want to put a dent on any hardware you might be able to buy.

Try this:

Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 - $59.99
PSU: Corsair CX500 - $59.99
Motherboard: Intel BOXDH67DLCB3 - $109.99
CPU: Intel Pentium Dual Core G620 - $69.99
RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB 1600MHz - $42.99
Optical: Lite On DVD Burner - $20.99
HD: Samsung / Seagate Spinpoint F3 500GB - $89.99

Total: $453.90
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March 7, 2012 6:06:40 PM

it is more than possible to do what i said on a $450 budget.

i'm not going to spend hours coupon shopping or matching up sockets/slots but a quick search revealed:

i3 3.0gh lga1156 - $88
wd caviar black 1tb - $90

you can get 2x2gb sticks of ocz ram for $20

you can get an oem dvd burner for $15

you can get a budget psu from sparkle/fsp group/fotron source for cheap. however they are actually pretty reliable.

you can find some really cheap computer cases out there. absolutely barebones which include 120mm fans. i never said to buy additional fans.

you can easily make due with a cheaper motherboard. once just has to search a little.

there is even enough room in that budget for a low-end older tech video card if you wanted one. or a modem, or a whole set of perepherals.

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you say it cannot be done, i tell you it can and that i've done it before. on $450 i've put together a system (although yes it was a few years back, but considering that prices remain fairly constant) including a monitor, m+kb, case and equip. sure it wasnt the same as my $1000 pc at the time but it was good enough to game on high settings on games of the era.

do not be afraid to look at budget oriented products.

i would hate to have to prove a point by pricing out a complete system piece by piece as i believe this is best left to the OP. after all, its a good learning experience for them. we are just here for guidance.




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March 7, 2012 6:19:22 PM

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you say it cannot be done, i tell you it can and that i've done it before. on $450 i've put together a system (although yes it was a few years back, but considering that prices remain fairly constant) including a monitor, m+kb, case and equip. sure it wasnt the same as my $1000 pc at the time but it was good enough to game on high settings on games of the era.


You're using prices from like 2 years ago, I'd suggest browsing Newegg for current prices:

You can't find 1TB Caviar Black hard drives for <$90 right now due to the shortages, the closest they run on Newegg right now is $150: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You're using an outdated i3 - socket LGA 1156, socket LGA 1155 runs $127:
i3-2120 runs $127: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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you can get 2x2gb sticks of ocz ram for $20


OCZ doesn't make RAM anymore - you could get a 1 x 4GB PNY stick for $25, though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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you can easily make due with a cheaper motherboard. once just has to search a little.


You're not gonna get a full featured ATX LGA-1155 board for cheaper than the one I listed.

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you can get a budget psu from sparkle/fsp group/fotron source for cheap. however they are actually pretty reliable.


I wouldn't touch PSUs that cheap with a 10 foot pole, especially on a modern system, that can have disastrous consequences: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-pow...

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March 8, 2012 11:13:42 AM

be aware that there are other places on the internet that you can purchase computer parts from. there are also various retail stores which you can purchase parts from. i highly doubt you checked everywhere before making your assumptions. i am not doubting what you say is true on newegg though.

i saw some 1tb caviar blacks on ebay for <$90. multiples even. i'm sure some non-ebay site has them as well. i never said that you had to use them but we can definitely beat 500gb for $80 price point.

your point on the i3? to save money you could always go with a slightly older model. there isnt always a need to use current tech if you are worried about a budget. the earlier chips run fine, but yes you could upgrade to a new one as well.

i wasnt aware ocz stopped making ram. the last ram i bought from them was a few years ago. you can replace what i said about ocz with any well known trusted brand. using the value series is perfectly fine to save money. quite a few even lifetime warranty this value series just like their more expensive lines.

full featured mb? all the bells and whistles arent required at all. ideally integrated audio and video. however you could make do with just integrated audio and buy a cheap $30 video card to make it work.

remember, not all budget psus are created equal. i do share your disdain for cheap power supplies and always recommend not using them. however, the one company i listed (goes by three names) does make a decent product for the price. if given the choice yes i might go with another brand but they do work, and perfectly well at that. i have one running in a 5 year old gaming pc with zero hiccups. the cheap unit was just as reliable as my $200 psu in the other rig. not bad for a budget concious buyer. i would go by indidividual reviews of products over generalilzed information any day.

also remember that these are just general ideas for the OP to think about. they need to take these ideas and search around for parts on their own to come up with some pricing. if shopping at newegg/major stores you might end up paying a bit more for your parts than if you look around. however, you might be able to get a newegg combo deal on some parts and use better equipment for the same prices. this is what the op needs to check out.

i know i dont have the time to price match and link to every single part as well as checking every single compatibility. that is why i leave it up to the op.

if done right, yes $450 is a fine budget. you could even get an i3 system for $350 if you cut corners a little. everything is determined on the ops opinion on parts preferences. personally all i would care about in such a cheap system is that it works and will work fine for 5-10 years.
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March 9, 2012 5:18:58 PM

ok this is what i have in mind. What do you think? Total is at $507.71 I would like to trim down the cost abit more. Does anyone know a online store that sells windows 7 pro for less?

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD7933&v... - $120.21
Intel Core i3 2100 Dual Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.1GHZ Sandy Bridge 3MB

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD0062&v... - $62.40
ASUS P8H61-M LX Plus Rev 3.0 H61 mATX LGA1155 DDR3 1PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 SATA GBLAN Audio VGA Motherboard

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180BD7625&v... - $23.71
Corsair CMV4GX3M2A1333C9 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL9 Dual Channel Memory Kit

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14040DR8105&v... - $16.69
Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE 24X Black DVD Writer SATA OEM

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC0275&v... - $83.16
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5IN 16MB Cache SATA3 Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1037105787F&v... - $29.05
Antec Basiq BP350 350WATT ATX12V V2.01 80MM Quiet Fan ATX Power Supply

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC0309&v... - $34.69
Coolermaster Elite 371 ATX Tower Case 3X5.25 1X3.5EXT 5X3.5INT Front USB Audio *No PS*

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12850SW7181&v... - $137.80
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Edition 64BIT DVD SP1 OEM

Total: $507.71
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March 9, 2012 5:31:09 PM

ssddx said:
be aware that there are other places on the internet that you can purchase computer parts from. there are also various retail stores which you can purchase parts from. i highly doubt you checked everywhere before making your assumptions. i am not doubting what you say is true on newegg though.

i saw some 1tb caviar blacks on ebay for <$90. multiples even. i'm sure some non-ebay site has them as well. i never said that you had to use them but we can definitely beat 500gb for $80 price point.


I would not trust buying HDs from eBay - that sounds like bad news. I've seen a few websites that have HDs from like 2 years ago that are <$100 but I don't know how legit these sites are.

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your point on the i3? to save money you could always go with a slightly older model. there isnt always a need to use current tech if you are worried about a budget. the earlier chips run fine, but yes you could upgrade to a new one as well.


To me I'd put a bit more into the core components if it means it will make upgrades go smoother. Buying the same part twice sucks no matter who you are, it's better to just pay a bit more than to buying something again because the upgrades don't work with it.

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remember, not all budget psus are created equal. i do share your disdain for cheap power supplies and always recommend not using them. however, the one company i listed (goes by three names) does make a decent product for the price. if given the choice yes i might go with another brand but they do work, and perfectly well at that. i have one running in a 5 year old gaming pc with zero hiccups. the cheap unit was just as reliable as my $200 psu in the other rig. not bad for a budget concious buyer. i would go by indidividual reviews of products over generalilzed information any day.


I've used the Corsair Builder Series and they work as advertised - I run a media PC with a CX430 and it still works fine, not to mention the PSU was a steal for what I paid for it.

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be aware that there are other places on the internet that you can purchase computer parts from. there are also various retail stores which you can purchase parts from. i highly doubt you checked everywhere before making your assumptions. i am not doubting what you say is true on newegg though.


I definitely know there's places like Superbiiz, Micro Center, and Tiger Direct - although I try to stay away from the awful Ultra and Systemax brands that Tiger Direct is associated with, there's some decent stores out there (Frys certainly isn't one of them) but I've always had the best luck and selection with Newegg than anywhere else.

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ok this is what i have in mind. What do you think? Total is at $507.71 I would like to trim down the cost abit more. Does anyone know a online store that sells windows 7 pro for less?

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] ture=INTEL - $120.21
Intel Core i3 2100 Dual Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.1GHZ Sandy Bridge 3MB

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] cture=ASUS - $62.40
ASUS P8H61-M LX Plus Rev 3.0 H61 mATX LGA1155 DDR3 1PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 SATA GBLAN Audio VGA Motherboard

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] re=CORSAIR - $23.71
Corsair CMV4GX3M2A1333C9 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL9 Dual Channel Memory Kit

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] re=Samsung - $16.69
Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE 24X Black DVD Writer SATA OEM

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] ure=Others - $83.16
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5IN 16MB Cache SATA3 Internal Hard Disk Drive HDD

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] ture=ANTEC - $29.05
Antec Basiq BP350 350WATT ATX12V V2.01 80MM Quiet Fan ATX Power Supply

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] OLERMASTER - $34.69
Coolermaster Elite 371 ATX Tower Case 3X5.25 1X3.5EXT 5X3.5INT Front USB Audio *No PS*

http://www.directcanada.com/produc [...] =MICROSOFT - $137.80
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Edition 64BIT DVD SP1 OEM

Total: $507.71


That PSU is a bit underpowered, I wouldn't go that cheap on the case, and I certainly would not get H61 - if you look around you can get most of the parts I listed for not a lot of money.
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March 12, 2012 11:27:00 AM

disagree, people buy oem drives from newegg all the time. sure ebay isnt the same but its an option, just check the feedback. as long as a store is legit and the warranty takes effect from date of purchase... what is the problem?

agree, it is worth putting more into better components. however, budget builds often do not give you much liberty to do this. even budget parts can last you 10 years. we still have an old single core amd64 that will work for a budget office pc nowdays and its 9 years old! not ideal by a long shot, but it works.

agree, with your disdain of cheap psus. however, i noted some alternatives that have proven reliable to me (and others as reviewed).

agree, i shop exclusively on newegg except for a few purchase at a local store (microcenter). however, i'm not pricematching to the dollar to get the most out of a low budget. i just buy from newegg for the zero hassle and huge selection. i've seen parts $20-30 or more cheaper elsewhere though from deals.

agree, that psu at 350w is a little to close for comfort. yes it may work but i would rather see you with a 450w to give yourself headroom. its not going to draw more power from the wall. double check the connections on it vs the ones you need on your board, vid card, hd.

disagree, there is nothing wrong with a cheap pc case as long as it is correctly sized to fit your components. sure it may be cheaply made, plastic covered and ugly as sin... but you can always change the case later. right now you want to get all of your internal parts in order. on a low budget buying a $60-100 is pointless.

not sure about the h61... do your research on it and see what people say. check that it fits your needs.
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March 12, 2012 6:31:16 PM

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agree, i shop exclusively on newegg except for a few purchase at a local store (microcenter). however, i'm not pricematching to the dollar to get the most out of a low budget. i just buy from newegg for the zero hassle and huge selection. i've seen parts $20-30 or more cheaper elsewhere though from deals.


I don't like PC Part Picker for that very reason - I generally try to buy from the same store as it makes returns and RMAs easier. The only way I'd switch would if the deal was way too good to pass up.

Tiger Direct is a good reseller as long as you can wade through the hundreds of junk brands they offer and avoid their proprietary Ultra and Systemax brands, I've generally had good luck buying from them but it isn't as easy as Newegg is.

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agree, with your disdain of cheap psus. however, i noted some alternatives that have proven reliable to me (and others as reviewed).


I've had good luck with the Corsair CX430 - that's about the cheapest PSU I'll recommend.

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agree, it is worth putting more into better components. however, budget builds often do not give you much liberty to do this. even budget parts can last you 10 years. we still have an old single core amd64 that will work for a budget office pc nowdays and its 9 years old! not ideal by a long shot, but it works.


True but if you look hard enough you can find quality components at any price range.
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March 13, 2012 10:04:10 PM

why is 350w under power if i dont need a dedicated gpu? unless you are talking about the psu not being 80+.

what quality case do you suggest for under $40?
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March 14, 2012 4:21:44 AM

First off there really are no quality cases that are made that are under $40 - either you get a junk brand like Ultra or you get something that's just cheaply made. You could go with a Cooler Master Elite 430 which retails for $49.99 and has a $10 MIR so that would make it under $40 if that counts.

As far as the PSU goes, IMO that's one area where you don't want to skimp even if you do not plan to add a dedicated GPU - I always try to plan ahead when planning my builds even on the most budget ones I try to add a little bit more to the PSU just to be on the safe side.
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March 14, 2012 2:49:37 PM

for $40 you are going to be getting a very basic case. as long as it has what you need it doesnt matter. you dont need hotswap bays, screw-free drive installation, etcetera. i've built two systems with $40 cases (one 9 years ago, one 3-4 years ago) and both still work fine. ugly, yes but they get the job done.

if you did a power calculation and the number was below 350 then yes you are probably safe. my high end i7 system idles at 330w. however, you do want to have a power supply with some headroom. generally at least 100w.
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