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March 7, 2012 2:59:13 PM

Hey Guys, I'm building a new gaming rig, I've got the components picked out I'm just wondering if anyone can offer advice or anything on whether this set up is going to be good enough for playing the lastest games (Skyrim, BF3) or if its overkill.

MB: ASUS P8Z68
CPU: Core i7-2700K (Overclocked)
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz
G_Card: 1.25GB Nvidia GTX 570
HDD: 80SSD or 1TB 7200RPM
PSU: Corsair 650W

Here's what I need to know:

Is Overclocking a good idea or a big mistake? As anyone come across any major issues with it?

My moniter is only 1900x1200 Res(But I plan to upgrade in 6 months) so I don't think I need an insane Graphics Card but I do want everything to run flawlessly so is the GTX570 good enough?

Is the 1600Mhz RAM ok or should I spring for the 1866Mhz? I've heard of peoples RAM downclocking itself for some reason and I don't want to get the higher speed if its not going to matter.

I'm also thinking about getting a Solid State Drive for the OS with a regular HDD for storage, will it make much of a difference or should I just stick with a 7,200RPM 1TB for the OS


Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys

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March 7, 2012 3:05:21 PM

MB - Good choice. Consider the ASUS below if you want PCIe 3.0 and UEFI BIOS and some of the later features.
MB - ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 - $205

CPU - Overclocking is perfectly fine if done properly. You MUST use an aftermarket CPU cooler and follow the overclocking guides. No reason why you shouldn't expect 4.0Ghz - 4.5GHz on a stable overclock.

CPU Cooler - Hyper 212 EVO - $35

MEM - Make sure they don't have tall heat spreaders as they may interfeer with some aftermarket CPU coolers. Also be sure they are 1.5v modules. Real world benefits of "faster" memory has little to no payoff.

SSD - If you go with an SSD stretch the budget for a 128GB. 80GB / 90GB is sufficient, but you will be glad you opted up.
SSD - Crucial M4 128GB - $174

HD - Seagate or Samsung.
HD - Seagate 2TB - $130

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March 7, 2012 3:13:26 PM

for gaming, go with the 2500K, save the money and invest in other components. go with 1.5v 1600 memory.

Take the money you are saving with the 2500k and go with a crucial m4 or samsung 830, you will be very happy you did.
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March 7, 2012 3:50:39 PM

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Is Overclocking a good idea or a big mistake? As anyone come across any major issues with it?


It is if you know what you're doing. If you don't know it could have disastrous consequences. Don't get a 2700K though - drop that to the 2500K and invest that difference in upgrading your GPU.

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Take the money you are saving with the 2500k and go with a crucial m4 or samsung 830, you will be very happy you did.


I'd put that difference in the GPU and get a 7950 - to me the GPU is the most important part of any system after the PSU is. Storage is last, IMO.

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My moniter is only 1900x1200 Res(But I plan to upgrade in 6 months) so I don't think I need an insane Graphics Card but I do want everything to run flawlessly so is the GTX570 good enough?


The 570 is good but for the price I'd suggest taking a look at the new 7870 - it will be in the ~$270 - ~$300 range but it's matching the 580 and in some cases beating the 570 and coming close to beating the 580:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...

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Is the 1600Mhz RAM ok or should I spring for the 1866Mhz? I've heard of peoples RAM downclocking itself for some reason and I don't want to get the higher speed if its not going to matter.


I would not go above 1600 - most motherboards won't be able to handle it and Intel will void your warranty if you try to RMA your CPU and they find out that you've been using speeds above 1600 (actually 1333 in some cases). Pretty much with the higher speeds tread very carefully at your own risk.

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I'm also thinking about getting a Solid State Drive for the OS with a regular HDD for storage, will it make much of a difference or should I just stick with a 7,200RPM 1TB for the OS


Definitely get a small SSD if your budget allows and put all your games and everything else on the 1TB - that will be an awesome system. What case are you using as well? I didn't see that listed.
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March 7, 2012 5:26:36 PM

g-unit1111,
Wow thats pretty awesome, the 7870 is damn near the same to the 580, although some of the issues they talked about at the end were a little concerning.. screw it though cause I don't play World of Warcraft :p 

So the 2700K is overkill? I'll admit I was mainly getting it cause it was the highest spec I could afford, but the 2500K seems to be just as good for what I'll be using it for.

Oh yeah and my case is The Coolermaster HAF 922 Case, I assume its a good choice?
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March 7, 2012 5:30:17 PM

The CM 922 is a great case. You could also consider the Corsair 400R.
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March 7, 2012 5:35:08 PM

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g-unit1111,
Wow thats pretty awesome, the 7870 is damn near the same to the 580, although some of the issues they talked about at the end were a little concerning.. screw it though cause I don't play World of Warcraft :p 

So the 2700K is overkill? I'll admit I was mainly getting it cause it was the highest spec I could afford, but the 2500K seems to be just as good for what I'll be using it for.

Oh yeah and my case is The Coolermaster HAF 922 Case, I assume its a good choice?


I don't either - I do play Skyrim though and it was crazy to see the numbers on Skyrim matching the 580. I've been waiting for something to replace my dual 550TIs, and it looks like the 7870 will be it. :ouch: 

Yes the 2700K is overkill - especially when the 2600K can be overclocked to match and even pass the speeds. It's pretty much a marketing gimmick for Intel - they know people will pay for these speeds even though if you do a little research, most people who are really wise to how PCs work (this and several other forums for one) will know better.

The HAF 922 is a good choice, I'd second the aforementioned Corsair Carbide 400R, and throw in my own suggestion for the Fractal Design Arc MIDI: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 7, 2012 5:51:05 PM

I think I'll stick with the HAF 922 mainly cause I prefer how it looks :p 

I'm also gonna go with the 2500K and Radeon 7870 and then it's off to Skyrim :D 

Thanks to everyone for the help, you guys have literally saved me hundreds of pounds :) 
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March 7, 2012 5:52:06 PM

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March 7, 2012 6:06:03 PM

You won't take a hit in the wallet for refusing to support a dishonest business.
I can play Skyrim maxed with an AMD 970BE and a GTX560Ti. In that context, you will not find it necessary to overclock any i5, and the GTX570 would also obviously be sufficient. I agree with g-unit1111 though, about the new AMD cards. If you're building now, I'd choose one of them. If you wait a few weeks, Kepler may be a viable choice also, but any difference is not likely to be dramatic, one way or the other.
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March 7, 2012 6:11:53 PM

MB: ASUS P8Z68 - Add the "Pro"

CPU: Core i7-2700K (Overclocked) - Unless rig will also be used to do video editing, CAD rendering or something else that needs hyperthreading, I'd get the 2500k. Save the $110 for better GFX

RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz - Make sure it's low profile
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-233-196^20-233-196-TS%2C20-233-186^20-233-186-TS%2C20-233-199^20-233-199-TS

G_Card: 1.25GB Nvidia GTX 570 - Im always concerned about the 570s as they had a propensity to fry the VRM's when initially released when overclocked.

http://www.overclock.net/t/929152/have-you-killed-a-570...

If ya stick to the designs with 8 or more phases on the VRM, you'll be fine....see link above to see which ones are which.

However the 570 gets ya 524 fps in Guru3D's game test suite for $340 and that works out to about $0.65 per frame. Twin 900 Mhz 560 Ti's only cost $0.42 per frame and give ya 862 fps .... a whopping 65% more performance for just an extra $80. Again, make sure the one ya buy has 7 or more phases in its VRM design.....the ones below do:

$215 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$220 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$220 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Like the 580, the 79xx series also have costs per frame in the stratosphere ($0.75 for the 7950 and $0.81 for the 7970) so I'd recommend two mid range cards over those. The 78xx series however looks very interesting despite the bugaboos reported in the THG article. They are at least a month off from retail availability (and I expect those will be addressed by then) and by that time I expect we'll have nVidia's answer to the 79xx and 78xx. If ya willing to wait a month, I'd look at two 7850's or two of nVidia's 560 Ti successor.

HDD: 80SSD or 1TB 7200RPM - How about an SSD / HD combo ? The Seagate Moments Hybrid is a 750 GB HD with an SSD "built in". Boots to Windows just 1 second slower (17 secs) than SSD's (16 secs)

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

PSU - I'd get a 750 watter if not overclocking, 859 watts if signifcant OC's intended. More on that later.

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Is Overclocking a good idea or a big mistake? As anyone come across any major issues with it?


In this day and age it's the proverbial "no brainer". No issues unless you go nuts (get temps over 80ish)

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My moniter is only 1900x1200 Res(But I plan to upgrade in 6 months) so I don't think I need an insane Graphics Card but I do want everything to run flawlessly so is the GTX570 good enough?


You could get one 560 now and one later......My son has 2 of them and playes everything flawlessly, even BF3 in single player mode. As described in THG's articles, multiplayer could be helped by a faster CPU.

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Is the 1600Mhz RAM ok or should I spring for the 1866Mhz? I've heard of peoples RAM downclocking itself for some reason and I don't want to get the higher speed if its not going to matter.


1600 is just fine.....max 2-5 % increase with lower CAS or higher frequency RAM.

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I'm also thinking about getting a Solid State Drive for the OS with a regular HDD for storage, will it make much of a difference or should I just stick with a 7,200RPM 1TB for the OS


Here's my testing on my son's box....

Boot to Windows off Tier 3 (See THG link) SSD - 15.6 seconds
Boot to Windows off Premium HD - 21.2 seconds

Load MMO off Tier 3 (See THG link) SSD - 45.0 seconds
Load MMO off Premium HD - 45.0 seconds

The 2nd test obviously was obviously bottlenecked by the connection handshaking and data transfer was therefore irrelevant .... but that in and of itself is quite relevant :) .

Case / PSU - recommended combinations:

Antec DF-85 or 1200 V3 w/ CP-850
Corsair 500D w/ HX850
HAF-X w/ AX850









PSU: Corsair 650W
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