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Embarking on another ballistics experiment w/ my friends (something akin to a railgun...) and I'm gonna need something in the order of 72-144 motion sensors. Essentially I need a cheap sh!t laser shooting down and once a projectile passes it, it activates a circuit. Where can I get this mad cheap, (I dun wanna pay a lot per sensor) and in the worst case would it be that hard to build em? These have to be small btw...

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Reply to dhlucke

I'm not sure about the price, but it wont be cheap...

Prolly better to build them yourself. Good for experience, and fun. What kind of motion sensor, BTW.

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Reply to Snorkius

Lol, o no no, the motion sensors are simply to time the activation of certain devices once the bullet passes them. I was thinking about just using a small comp to calculate when it should activate em, but since this is the real world, it'll be a little off.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Ok, here's a quick sketch

___+___+___+
<>
___+___+___+

The +'s are the motion sensors, the ___ are these rings. The <> is the projectile. So it's like a tube with holes, where themotion sensors are. I need essentially a laser that goes in a straight line and as soon as the projectile goes thru it, it sends an electrical signal back.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Use a basic laser like they do in general physics labs. I can't imagine it being cheap though.

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Reply to dhlucke

These things wont be hard to find, and a person with basic Lego skills can assemble them, but special lab equipment is not cheap...

If it's for school, maybe you could talk a university physics lab into selling you old equipment. They usally keep a stock of things from like 50 years back in a basement somewhere.

My dad works at CERN. You would'nt believe the things you can find in dumpsters there. A friend's father gave him an old laser. This thing was a very expensive device in the eighties, but they had no more use for it.



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Reply to Snorkius

Depending on your permanency you can reduce the costs by creating an efficient design.

If you are looking at multiple sensor points along a straight line rail it would be somewhat easy to do with 1 laser and multiple photometers hooked up to a recording oscilliscope (for recording), or whatever method of recording you had in mind in the first place. If it's for actuation then of course you would hook them up in a similar fashion.

One laser pointing down the line could be split at each sensor area with a prismatic lense or block (that directs the beam at 90 degrees while also allowing it to pass through in a straight line at the same time). Set up enough of these down the 'straight' line and then you have no need for multiple lasers. Of course the initial laser has to be more powerful than a laser pointer, but even that should be relatively easy to get.

Now I assume this isn't to calculate a ballistic track as that would be much more difficult to do since you would have to predict the path of the projectile perfectly before hand.

If you are using it to pulse the rail gun you could use the description above which should work, but you will need to adjust your timings with the increase in speed, and remember to stagger them properly (you may already have considered this, just making sure).

If you are looking for 'muzzle/barrel' velocity, then you could even have just 2 sensors at the opening just a short distance apart. You would just need a timing device able to record those small differences in time.

Good luck, and don't kill someone else! Killing oneself isn't as bad as killing others due to our ineptitude.


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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

This single laser idea may just do the trick:) Another idea that popped into my head as I was going to this website was that since the particle will have a charge, I could also have 2 pieces of metal very very close to together and makes sure that they will touch only when the particle is directly perpendicular to them. This way I don't even need that accurate a calculation of the projectile's path.

As for safety concerns...yeah...lol, my friends and I have been spending more time on the safety part than anything else. The basic idea will be we'll make it too clunky/ heavy to pick up so if someone gets the idea of using it as a rocket launcher they won't be able to... Then, there's the tube, but if for some unGodly reason something overheats (this thing will get hot!) and our water cooling systems can't take care of it, expect a serious malfunction that can electricute, explode, or otherwise burn. We're thus gonna have quarter inch steel around the whole thing, and multiple layers of that. There will be insulation between the layers to prevent electricity from travelling. In terms of heat, we hope the heat resistance foam will take care of necessary issues, but on the outside more can always be placed. Finally, the launching will be done remotely, at least 15-20 feet away. Lastly, in case someone does something stupid and the device decides to backfire, there will be a 5 inch steel plate on the back. Testing will be done on a large field, aiming it at paper targets to see how accurate and powerful it is.

To keep it out of the hands of people other than myself and 1-2 other close friends, it'll have several key parts which must be put together on the spot, perhaps something like multiple keys.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Go buy a waterballoon launcher like normal kids do!

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Reply to dhlucke

Already got one and use it for vegetables. Hell, atm, we're making a potato gun :evil: . This project is for after, once I get all the physics work and simulations done (realistically 2 days of work, but I have school so....)

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Reply to Flamethrower205

I assume that since you are trying to accelerate this projectile to big speeds then an electro-mechanical switch of some kind is out? How about IR transmitters. They are readily available for cheap (newark part number 84n1823). I use them sometimes for cheap proximity detectors. You can get them from Newark electronics for about $2.50 each. Or, if your projectile is of sufficient mass you could use a capacitance switch. The detect changes in local capacitance. This is mucho expensive theough. If your gun is of sufficiently small bore, say... <1.5 inches, you could usePhotomicrosensors which are prepackaged, aligned and cheap (on the order of 3-5 dollars per sensor). Failing that, you could use laser emitting diodes and photosensers (both very inexpensive .50 - 2.00), but alignment and packaging would be more tedious. Omron makes the microsensors, and they can be ordered thorough Newark btw. If the muzzle velocity of your gun is slow and your projectile is metal, then use magnetic reed switches. I'd be happy to help if you need more assistance.

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Reply to Grub

The projectile will be metal and have a charge. Only problem is the rings that make up the tube of the gun will also have a charge....a strong one, and that may cause some sort of interference. I hope the projectile will be going fast...I think I'll write a comp simulation today as I have no school (snow day, woot!), and check out what I can expect.

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Reply to Flamethrower205

If everything is metal then your detectors will need to be optical. I'd reccommend the micro sensors.

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Reply to Grub

what is newark's website?

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Reply to Flamethrower205

<A HREF="http://www.newark.com" target="_new">http://www.newark.com</A>


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Reply to Grub

WHOA! No way! It can't be. I'm not about to believe that.

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Reply to Auburn9698

Sometimes I wish captain obvious were here...

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Reply to Grub

pretty cool store, thanks.

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Reply to Flamethrower205
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