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March 11, 2012 5:49:44 PM

Hi all,

Im going to try and build my first PC...going to be a lot more expensive than I thought but oh well. Initially I wanted to get a good system together for about $800 but once I factored in the software I realized that it wasnt realisitc. Anyhow heres what I have tabled for my parts:

Lg 24x dvdrw
AMD FX-6100 6 core processor AM3+
Western digital caviar SE16 500GB SATA II hard drive retail kit
SilenX Effizio 120mm performance heatsink
DDR3 4GB 1600 mhz dual channel kingston RAM 2x2
MSI 990XA-GD55 AMD AM3+ motherboard
Thermaltake V3 mid tower ATX case
Force3D Ati radeon 6450 2GB DDR3 pci express video card (only getting this cuz im getting a good deal on it)
Apevia ATX WA1100W Warlock 1100w power supply (thinking of spending more on a corsair since i heard theyre reliable)
Acer S201HL Led monitor
windows 7 home 64
altogether this build is going to be around $950 with shipping. just wondering what the pros thoughts on this are...

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a b B Homebuilt system
March 11, 2012 6:01:29 PM

What you want to do with the PC ?
From what country you buy the parts ?
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March 11, 2012 6:09:22 PM

You don't even need half the power that PSU is supposedly rated for. Not to mention Apevia is certainly not a choice brand... Most models you can't even tell who the OEM is.

So your budget is under $1000 with a monitor and windows. I think you can do a lot better than what you have in your current list.
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 11, 2012 6:24:21 PM

MOBO : ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU : I5 2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM : Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD : Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 500GB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU : HIS Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU : Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD-RW : LG 22X Super-Multi DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CASE : COOLER MASTER Elite 430
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS : Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MONITOR : Acer Black 21.5" 5ms LED Backlight
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TOTAL : $976.90 and 936$ after rebates + 10$ gift card by Newegg + Dirt 3 game coupon
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March 11, 2012 6:30:38 PM

^+1

The only thing I would add is get the i5-2400 if you are not overclocking or get the i5-2500K plus Cooler Master Hyper 212+ EVO for $30 if you are overclocking.

The above build is a LOT more powerful then yours
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March 11, 2012 6:54:03 PM

RECOMMENDED BUILD
ODD - $16 - SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case - $50 (After $10 MIR) - COOLER MASTER HAF 912 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD - $100 - Seagate Barracuda Green ST1500DL003 1.5TB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $120 - Acer S220HQLAbd Black 21.5" 5ms LED Backlight 1920x1080 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mobo - $90 - Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $150 (After $10 MIR) - SAPPHIRE 11201-00-20G Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB GDDR5 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $100 - Antec EarthWatts Platinum EA-450 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $42 - Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $125 - AMD Phenom II X4 960T Zosma 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HD96ZTWFGRBOX - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $80 (After $20 Coupon "EMCYTZT1292") - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HSF - $30 - XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

FREE STUFF
SD Card - Patriot Signature Series 8GB Micro SDHC Flash Card w/ Adapter Model PSF8GMCSDHC43P - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Gift Card - $15 - http://www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/GiftCardTerms.aspx
Dirt 3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total before shipping and taxes = $922.89 - $20 in MIRs - $15 Gift Card = $887.89

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SSD - $169 - Crucial M4 128GB - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W2JKZI/sr=8-1/qid=...
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March 11, 2012 11:35:30 PM

iknowhowtofixit said:
You don't even need half the power that PSU is supposedly rated for. Not to mention Apevia is certainly not a choice brand... Most models you can't even tell who the OEM is.

So your budget is under $1000 with a monitor and windows. I think you can do a lot better than what you have in your current list.


first let me thank everyone for their input.

regarding the power supply i read video cards suck up quite a bit of power. so my understanding was that i would need a hefty power supply for it to work properly.

my intention for the pc is simply to build one that shouldnt need much upgrading. hence not going on the cheap with a dual core processor and whatnot. maybe some gaming but the only reason i put a 2GB video card is due to amazon having one on sale for $60. but its from a third party so i should probably pass.

One final note is most items pricing is based on purchase from local electronics store. i thought this would be best because if something is defective i can get a replacement right away. Obviously this isnt the case with amazon or newegg waiting for shipping it back, awaiting the replacement to get here etc.

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March 12, 2012 12:23:35 AM

njdfan30 said:
first let me thank everyone for their input.

regarding the power supply i read video cards suck up quite a bit of power. so my understanding was that i would need a hefty power supply for it to work properly.

my intention for the pc is simply to build one that shouldnt need much upgrading. hence not going on the cheap with a dual core processor and whatnot. maybe some gaming but the only reason i put a 2GB video card is due to amazon having one on sale for $60. but its from a third party so i should probably pass.

One final note is most items pricing is based on purchase from local electronics store. i thought this would be best because if something is defective i can get a replacement right away. Obviously this isnt the case with amazon or newegg waiting for shipping it back, awaiting the replacement to get here etc.


I feel like you have a lot of misconceptions at this point. I'm not posting the following to insult you, I'm going to get my points across. I can count on one hand how many DOA parts I've ever had from Newegg and I spend $10,000+ each year with them. You would be foolish not to purchase from the largest PC part e-tailer in the country. Not to mention their customer service is top notch.

Second, to put it bluntly, the PSU you chose is crap. Whether you think you need lots of power for a graphics card or not, an "1100 watt" Apevia isn't the answer. There is a reason why it is so cheap versus other 1000w+ power supplies. The build you have in your original post will not break 300 watts, ever. Not at even overclocked running furkmark and intel burn test at the same time. You should only be looking at power supplies under 550 watts.

The graphics card you chose in your original post will not play games. At least not games made in the last 5 years. Your processor is also going to be considerably slower then the AMD 960T (which can be unlocked to 6 cores as well) and monumentally slower than the Intel 2500k.

You are not going to be doing yourself any favors by building the system in your original post. You would be better off purchasing something from best buy. You'll save money, it will be faster, then you can add in your garbage $30 graphics card if you want. Otherwise, if you want to have a custom PC worth having, then take a harder look at my recommendation (or even sosofm's). Don't waste your money on junk.

Don't make assumptions. Feel free to ask questions, don't be shy.
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March 12, 2012 1:59:19 AM

iknowhowtofixit said:
I feel like you have a lot of misconceptions at this point. I'm not posting the following to insult you, I'm going to get my points across. I can count on one hand how many DOA parts I've ever had from Newegg and I spend $10,000+ each year with them. You would be foolish not to purchase from the largest PC part e-tailer in the country. Not to mention their customer service is top notch.

Second, to put it bluntly, the PSU you chose is crap. Whether you think you need lots of power for a graphics card or not, an "1100 watt" Apevia isn't the answer. There is a reason why it is so cheap versus other 1000w+ power supplies. The build you have in your original post will not break 300 watts, ever. Not at even overclocked running furkmark and intel burn test at the same time. You should only be looking at power supplies under 550 watts.

The graphics card you chose in your original post will not play games. At least not games made in the last 5 years. Your processor is also going to be considerably slower then the AMD 960T (which can be unlocked to 6 cores as well) and monumentally slower than the Intel 2500k.

You are not going to be doing yourself any favors by building the system in your original post. You would be better off purchasing something from best buy. You'll save money, it will be faster, then you can add in your garbage $30 graphics card if you want. Otherwise, if you want to have a custom PC worth having, then take a harder look at my recommendation (or even sosofm's). Don't waste your money

Don't make assumptions. Feel free to ask questions, don't be shy.


i must have been way off on the video card thought it was 2GB. i figured that would be great but at that price i was obviously ignoring the too good to be true caveat

thanks for the heads up on newegg. originally i was checking them out for all this but didnt want the hassle of returns or whatever. if you have used them without issue i guess i feel ok doing the same.

obviously i must have read some huge BS regarding power supply guidelines. i wish i could remember where i read it but basically it said multi core processor and a gig+ vid card means u should have about 1000w power supply. i thought it was excessive but i opted to err on the side of caution.

my basic thinking was to invest in the processor and motherboard the most. Technology moves fast and id rather spend a little more now on those things now and not worry about upgrading those in the future.

ill take a second look at vid cards and power supplies. thanks for pointing me straight on the power supply garbage i read...i honestly tried to research this some but i can only go off of what i read. my original thought was that given most prebuilt pcs come with power supplies under 400w i shouldnt need more than 750w even with a better processor and graphics card.

ill check out the other builds and again thanks for the newb help. Im sure even when i get everything there will be challenges but how else will i learn? Hopefully the cpu fan/heat sink i get doesnt need thermal paste. I could see myself really messing that up hehe.
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March 12, 2012 2:05:46 AM

njdfan30 said:
i must have been way off on the video card thought it was 2GB. i figured that would be great but at that price i was obviously ignoring the too good to be true caveat

thanks for the heads up on newegg. originally i was checking them out for all this but didnt want the hassle of returns or whatever. if you have used them without issue i guess i feel ok doing the same.

obviously i must have read some huge BS regarding power supply guidelines. i wish i could remember where i read it but basically it said multi core processor and a gig+ vid card means u should have about 1000w power supply. i thought it was excessive but i opted to err on the side of caution.

my basic thinking was to invest in the processor and motherboard the most. Technology moves fast and id rather spend a little more now on those things now and not worry about upgrading those in the future.

ill take a second look at vid cards and power supplies. thanks for pointing me straight on the power supply garbage i read...i honestly tried to research this some but i can only go off of what i read. my original thought was that given most prebuilt pcs come with power supplies under 400w i shouldnt need more than 750w even with a better processor and graphics card.

ill check out the other builds and again thanks for the newb help. Im sure even when i get everything there will be challenges but how else will i learn? Hopefully the cpu fan/heat sink i get doesnt need thermal paste. I could see myself really messing that up hehe.

Yea that's huge BS dude. VRAM has nothing to do with power consumption.
Here is A List of Recommended PSUs so that you don't have to research yourself.
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March 12, 2012 7:05:21 AM

The processors good enough, ur hdd capacity is low,
psu corsair hx 650 should do fine until u r using two graphic cards,
as for graphics card take gtx 560 ti it will cost abou $100,
corsair h60 for cpu cooler @ 80$,
ram corsair vengence dual channel 8gb 9-9-9-24 about 80$,
For cabinet take CM HAF
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March 12, 2012 9:50:55 AM

Sorry gtx 560 ti price is about $250
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 12, 2012 11:25:41 AM

njdfan30 said:
my intention for the pc is simply to build one that shouldnt need much upgrading. hence not going on the cheap with a dual core processor and whatnot.

Unless your "married" to AMD - what they call a Fanboy on this board - a SB cpu/1155 combo is the way to go. You won't need to upgrade for a good while but have a clear path to it if you choose to. That's not the case with the AMD's at the present. There are some good SB recommendations already in this thread you could follow. Just my 2 cents. :) 
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March 12, 2012 11:43:37 PM

Onr last thought: is there sone reason nobody likes the idea of the AMD six core? just wondering cuz id like my processor to be able to keep up with whatever is required for as long as possible. but if quad core is going to be good enough for several years, you guys are the pros.
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March 13, 2012 12:00:40 AM

I would like to say that i do have the AMD FX - 6100, and clocked to 3.6Ghz I have no issue with anything do on my computer. I have never maxed this CPU or got it above 35 degrees, I will say this is not the fastest or best CPU on the market and Intel is definitely better but for the price this is great.

Also have you guys considered an A-series APU build? From what I read on reviews and such they are very powerful and game just fine, not enthusiast grade gaming but from what it seems based on the components chosen originally it would do the job xD.

I have been working out builds of under $500 (not including software) that would support the top of the line APU without added graphics. Here is what I have come up with.

If you want to know reasoning for such components don't hesitate to ask.

CPU/GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hard Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(adding or swapping for a SSD would be optimal if you have the money)
Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(I have on in my parents computer build and let me say, FANTASTIC)
CD/DVD Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(In the same build as the PSU stated above, quite roomy and very appealing, keeps the computer very cool in a tight space.)

Enjoy, I look forward to constructive criticism of this build as i know the Intel boys will hassle me for it haha =D

-Sweeneya
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 13, 2012 12:06:08 AM

njdfan30 said:
Onr last thought: is there sone reason nobody likes the idea of the AMD six core? just wondering cuz id like my processor to be able to keep up with whatever is required for as long as possible. but if quad core is going to be good enough for several years, you guys are the pros.

It's not that nobody likes them. It's just that they aren't as good as the Sandy Bridge's. Have some fun playing with the comparison charts here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=287
and you'll see one item I use to base my advise on. Good luck with your build. :) 
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March 13, 2012 3:00:49 AM

Well i ran an a coiple AMD cpus vs the i5 just to check it out...not sure what you mean by one thing you base it on because most of the tests werent even really close.

guess it would be best to pony up for the i5, seems to be better than the AMD chips generally speaking. ill probably order everything tomorrow and hope for the best. my biggest fear is one of those pegs busting through the motherboard or screwing up the thermal glue. But thats how ya learn i guess!
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March 13, 2012 3:06:37 AM

So which mobo will u be buying?
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March 13, 2012 3:33:01 AM

Delirious788 said:
^+1

The only thing I would add is get the i5-2400 if you are not overclocking or get the i5-2500K plus Cooler Master Hyper 212+ EVO for $30 if you are overclocking.

The above build is a LOT more powerful then yours


i loaded up my cart with the above and the cpu fan you suggested. i cant find anything in the description about whether or not it requires thernmal paste/grease/whatever. if so any particular reccomendations? It suggests some but im not sure if they do that with all cpu fans or if its because that particular item requires it(i read that some dont require the paste).
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March 13, 2012 3:44:54 AM

I went with sofofms build above but added the cpu fan suggested right below it.

$1000 with a couple of warranties (cpu and motherboard i think maybe vid card as well). more than i planned on spending so hopefully i dont mess anything up trying to build it. that would be an e pensivr mistake!
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March 13, 2012 4:23:11 AM

And which graphic card?
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 13, 2012 7:27:39 AM

Most recommend this Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound. Good Luck with your build! :) 
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 13, 2012 7:32:22 AM

Hiranmoy said:
And which graphic card?

I'm guessing this one HIS Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit that was on the build he chose. :D 
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March 13, 2012 12:08:01 PM

Gtx 560 ti is better than that @ the same price man
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March 14, 2012 9:01:14 PM

Hiranmoy said:
Gtx 560 ti is better than that @ the same price man


not that i saw...did a search for gtx 560 and the cheapest one was like $180 or something if i remember right. the one in the build above is i think 130 after a $10 rebate.
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March 20, 2012 11:56:08 PM

Best answer selected by njdfan30.
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