First Build since 1998 which Nvidia?

[drewsuf82]

Hey everyone!

Wow no life story here but the last time I built a desktop was when I was a sophmore in High School (yup way back in 1998) I have since had an ibook G4, Intel Core Duo Imac 20", and most recently (bought ~2 years ago) a Sony Viao Laptop which I love but for what I want to do in my spare time well lets just say that this laptop with all it's glory is severely hindered by the 330M graphics chip in it, and it's awesome for my classes, notes, doing classwork on campus and the occassional WoW trip on campus during downtime, at any rate I got into SWTOR and realized that a 7 year old MMO does alright on this (~20-35 fps on low-medium settings) I just can't do it any more and have decided that I am going to have a right and proper desktop. So my bi-yearly computer money I am figgin that I should take the ~1500 that I would spend on a new laptop every 2 years, and build a desktop which hopefully from what I have been seeing on a lot of the forums I won't have to only spend a few hundred after two years to upgrade the GPU and then after 4 or 5 years do another complete build, and since this laptop does what I need for my educational purposes and will be seeing a lot less use...well anyways...

/end wall of text crit down to the nitty gritty:

I have decided that I am going to go with newegg for my parts and have most of it figged out here is my planned build:

Games Planned on Playing: WOW, SWTOR, BF3, Skyrim, Random Older Games, Diablo 3 as soon as it comes out (I cant wait)
Productivity Software to be used: Photoshop CS (I do some editing nothing insanely drastic though), MS Office, Internet browsing, random e-bay work

Budget: $1500 (including shipping/before rebates)

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $94.99 ($15 MIR)
Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $124.99
MSI 22X Internal Burner Black IDE Model DH-22AP $0.00 SCORE A FREEBIE WITH THE HDD (My god HDD PRICES ARE INSANE RIGHT NOW STUPID FLOODS)
ASUS VH232H Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor w/Speakers & HDMI $159.99 ($15 MIR)
ASUS PCE-N10 PCI Express Wireless Adapter $22.99
Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 $18.99 (Sadly yes I need a keyboard to get me through for a while until I can buy a gaming keyboard always had good luck with them in the past)
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM $139.99 (The XP emulation will be great for a lot of older games that I enjoy playing that I can't play with Home premium)
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 $304.98
COOLER MASTER GX Series RS750-ACAAE3-US 750W ATX12V v2.31 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply ^^ Included with Intel CPU
ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $249.98
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9R ^^ Included with ASUS MB
EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $339.99

This brings my total with shipping to $1486.86 (SUCCESS $13.14 under budget) or $1456.86 After Mail in Rebates

Here is where it gets tricky, if I use the following build it comes in quite a bit cheaper with many of the same parts:

ASUS VH232H Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor w/Speakers & HDMI $159.99 ($15 MIR)
ASUS PCE-N10 PCI Express Wireless Adapter $22.99
Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 $18.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM $139.99
ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ... $971.99 ($45 MIR)
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ... ^^ Included
ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS ^^ INcluded
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power ... ^^ Included
Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ^^ Included
COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ^^ Included
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 ^^ Included
MSI 22X Internal Burner Black IDE Model DH-22AP ^^ Included

This brings the total with shipping for this build to $1338.56 (Success 161.44 under budget and $148.30 Cheaper than the build with the 570 card) or $1278.56 after Mail in Rebates making the total difference between the two $178.30

So I guess what I am asking is this punch for punch what I am planning on playing/doing is it going to be better for me to have the EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 or the ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti? I have been pulling out my hair and as you can see its quite a savings difference, enough in fact that I could add 8GB of ram, or a gaming keyboard, or even a 120GB SSD for booting.... It comes down to the card though I mean I have about 10 days until I order this so I have plenty of time for feedback and I do eventually plan on getting into Overclocking and stuff so idk like I said I haven't built a machine in a long time so any help/experience would be great because all I can find on the forums here is Get the 570 which as you can see is going to be a $150 dollar difference in my price

Thanks and sorry for the epic wall of text

 

[drewsuf82]

Oh and the only other consideration is EVGA with the step up program and the possibility of new Nvidia chips coming out but would that insurance policy really be worth ~$150

 

[Sunius]

Both of those builds are overpriced. Are you planning to build them yourself? I suspect not.

With same budget you could even grab an SSD, and trust me, as a World of Wacraft player, it totally PWNS!

 

[drewsuf82]

Both of those builds are overpriced. Are you planning to build them yourself? I suspect not.

With same budget you could even grab an SSD, and trust me, as a World of Wacraft player, it totally PWNS!

Yes I am planning on building it myself...the thing is I have nothing to start out on a desktop (well outside of my mouse)

So I need Case, Processor, Mobo, Vid Card, Monitor, Ram, HDD, DVD drive, Power supply, Keyboard, well basically everything to build from scratch...

 

[Sunius]

Well, I've build similar PC with 2500k and 560 Ti, including monitor, keyboard and mouse, also with SSD for $1600.. And I live in Europe, so 21% is VAT, which doesn't exist in USA

I'll check the components tomorrow, it's 1:30 am here, going to sleep.

 

[drewsuf82]

Well, I've build similar PC with 2500k and 560 Ti, including monitor, keyboard and mouse, also with SSD for $1600.. And I live in Europe, so 21% is VAT, which doesn't exist in USA

I'll check the components tomorrow, it's 1:30 am here, going to sleep.

i appreciate it, I know that right now my biggest issue is still trying to figure out if I want the 560ti or the 570 (I want the card to be good for games on high for at least the next 2 years) at which point ill upgrade the gpu and the next time I notice it will do another rebuild

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I busted ya budget by $32 but gave ya some significant upgrades

Case - $ 120 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129087
Case Fan - later - Antec Red 120 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209013
PSU - $ 115 - Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371024
Super combo for cool running and quiet operation......way discounted at the moment so good time to take advantage.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=142

[The CP-850] is completely unmatched by any ATX unit on the market I can think of. You'd have to spend twice as much as this thing costs to find the next best thing, performance wise.

MoBo - $ 385 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.797221
CPU - inc - Intel Core i7-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
Cooler - $ 50 - Hyper 612 PWM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103103
TIM - $ 5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080
Easy OC to 4.7 Ghz

RAM - $ 48 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186
GFX - $ 230 - Asus GTX 560 900Mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121425
GFX - Later - Same
Two of these gives 40% more fps than single 580...

HD - $ 130 - Segate Barracuda 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840
SSD - Later - Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 120 GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236

DVD Writer - $ 59 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247
Plays BR movies

OS - $ 100 - Win 7-64 Home Premium OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Monitor $ 290 ASUS VG236HE Black 23" 120 Hz Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236104
120 Hz monitor is a nice upgrade

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 215.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.43 - $ 0.50
$ 340.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.65 - $ 0.78
$ 500.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.81 - $ 1.05

 

[amuffin]

Get the p8z68-v gen 3 or the pro version gen 3.

 

[drewsuf82]

Checking out the build right now, is there that much of a difference between the i7 and the i5? (other than 100 mhz?) I have an i7 in my laptop right now at 1.73ghz (turbo to 2.93) and it seems competent and even under high loads I have never seen the processor past 40% usage

edit I see that it was a typo with the i7 in the build

 

[amuffin]

i7 has 4 cores and 8 threads,while the i5 has 4 cores and 4 threads.What exactly will you be doing though? I also would get the msi twin frozr ii 560ti over the asus one.

 

[drewsuf82]

i7 has 4 cores and 8 threads,while the i5 has 4 cores and 4 threads.What exactly will you be doing though? I also would get the msi twin frozr ii 560ti over the asus one.

Games Planned on Playing: WOW, SWTOR, BF3, Skyrim, Random Older Games, Diablo 3 as soon as it comes out (I cant wait)
Productivity Software to be used: Photoshop CS (I do some editing nothing insanely drastic though), MS Office, Internet browsing, random e-bay work

 

[melharts]

With the i5-2500k, or 2600k, anything from Intel with the "K" means it doesn't come with a stock heatsink/fan, so you would need to purchase one. I'm just making sure you know this in advance... they typically run $50-75, for a nice one.

I would recommend a little more memory (for future purposes) $90. FYI, DDR prices are extremely low, buy it while you can get it! I would hate to see a flood drive up there cost by 300% like HDD prices.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233203

I would highly recommend an SSD, even if you have to reduce your HD down to 500/750GB. 120/128GB would give you windows, and 5 big games (Skyrim, SWTOR, etc), with plenty of space open without having to worry about wear and tear.

Either a Mushkin Chronos or Samsung 830 series for reliability.
Chronos : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226225
Samsung : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147134

For your graphics, I would either wait til Radeon 7xxx or Nvidia 6xx series' to be released. That way you can snatch up a 6xxx or 5xx series for cheap! However Crossfiring or SLI'ing two lesser cards will give you a drastic performance increase from an individual card. For this purpose I would recommend 2x 560TI's over a 570/580 for example. You would have to get with someone who knows a lot more about Radeon products, but they would have close performance windows(Trying to alleviate fanboi's from trolling).

For your CPU, I would recommend staying with an I5 or I7, for gaming purposes, do not even consider AMD's FX series, go back 1 more gen to the Phenom II. But most people would recommend I5's price point, as I do. The I5's benchmarks are insane for the price.

FYI, Tomshardware does builds for $600/1200, links to these are:
$600 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-overclock-performance-gaming,3097.html
$1200 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossfire-ssd,3098.html
I would recommend along those lines, however if I was building based off of the 1200, I would change the FX to I5/I7, and stay around those lines, with more RAM of course.

Processor Heirarchy Chart
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overclocking,3077-5.html

GPU Hierarchy Chart
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

SSD Hierarchy Chart
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/buy-ssd-recommendation-value,3088.html





Hope this information helps you.

 

[drewsuf82]

With the i5-2500k, or 2600k, anything from Intel with the "K" means it doesn't come with a stock heatsink/fan, so you would need to purchase one. I'm just making sure you know this in advance... they typically run $50-75, for a nice one.

I would recommend a little more memory (for future purposes) $90. FYI, DDR prices are extremely low, buy it while you can get it! I would hate to see a flood drive up there cost by 300% like HDD prices.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233203

I would highly recommend an SSD, even if you have to reduce your HD down to 500/750GB. 120/128GB would give you windows, and 5 big games (Skyrim, SWTOR, etc), with plenty of space open without having to worry about wear and tear.

Either a Mushkin Chronos or Samsung 830 series for reliability.
Chronos : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226225
Samsung : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147134

For your graphics, I would either wait til Radeon 7xxx or Nvidia 6xx series' to be released. That way you can snatch up a 6xxx or 5xx series for cheap! However Crossfiring or SLI'ing two lesser cards will give you a drastic performance increase from an individual card. For this purpose I would recommend 2x 560TI's over a 570/580 for example. You would have to get with someone who knows a lot more about Radeon products, but they would have close performance windows(Trying to alleviate fanboi's from trolling).

For your CPU, I would recommend staying with an I5 or I7, for gaming purposes, do not even consider AMD's FX series, go back 1 more gen to the Phenom II. But most people would recommend I5's price point, as I do. The I5's benchmarks are insane for the price.

Hope this information helps you.

Melharts TY for your vital info, it's been a long time since I built any type of rig and didn't realize that the "K" didn't come with a stock heatsink/fan this will really help my planning (back to newegg )

That RAM is a great deal I have updated it into my build plan its more than 2.5x what I have in this viao right now so I am sure that will be more than enough for me

I have heard nothing but great things about SSD and I have seen several systems side by side with identical setups only a difference in the SSD and the boot times blow me away.

As for graphics chips I will only deal with Nvidia everytime I get an Radeon product or know someone with them they just don't compare, same with the AMD chips, I wouldn't use one of those if my life depended on it, sorry just my personal preferences and no amount of data to the contrary will change it until I have several bad experiences with them, I have just known these companies for so long and well anyways I am rambling.

As for the build I need to upgrade soon, the laptop is killing me, right now with just this browser window open, speed fan open and the newegg window open my lap is on fire (and I have the laptop pad with the 2 fans under it and its still hot) When I start playing SWTOR (on all min settings) or WOW I really get warm, and this bloody laptop gets mad and overheats and reboots itself at random if I do anything more than soloing it will even overheat watching a netflix movie hooked up to the HDMI so yea I def need to do something that I can enjoy my down time and my laptop is going to get retired to browsing/ms office/mobile computing on campus I love the laptop but even my hands get warm on this for a very long period

So for the video cards when the new series comes out so you think that the 560 ti would be the better choice and then SLI it (thatll be the first time I have done that) with another one? Will one single 560 TI be enough to play WoW/SWTOR on max/ultra until the new release for me to SLI or would it be better to buy a 570 now and sli it with another 570 ?

As for my processor I have almost 100% decided on the 2500k unless for some reason there is a crazy sale on the 2600k or a really big combo package discount when I order here in a week and a half, I don't really see spending the extra $100 to get a very marginal FPS when I could put that into say a SSD or a higher end GPU

 

[melharts]

Drew, NP for the information. I updated my original post with links to Hierarchy charts and tomshardwares 600/1200$ builds.

SSDs will greatly improve performance with gaming load times too, IE loading from SWTOR planets to Battlegrounds, or flashpoints.

I would recommend the 560TI either normal or 448core (if you go the 448 core, I would hold off on SLI'ing til you got enough money for the 2nd one).

The I5 -2500k is a great deal, I wouldn't pass it up unless you could conjure enough money into the I7-2600K, but your performance gains would be minimal until programs/games used more cores.


Link to charts with a bunch of Nvidia 5xx series products. Its Toms Hardware Enthusiast Index based off of 100%, you want your score to be higher than that. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Enthusiast-Index,Marque_fbrandx876,2674.html

Based off of this you can see that the 570 GTX scores 107%, and the 580 120%. The 560 TI SLI'd, gets 177%. You can see a 57% gain in performance, based on this Index. However SLI 580's would give you 231% or 54% more gain in performance. SLI'ing products will give you great performance gains for the buck. Even 460 GTX SLI'd give 129%; or 9% over an individual 580. (Hope this all makes sense)

 

[melharts]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-benchmark,3082-11.html

This chart has the 448 core 560TI GTX...

Based on this the 448core scores 12% higher than a 560Ti, or 5% lower than a 570. SO they are a nice middle of the road.

Heres the chart for BF3 benchmarks
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-benchmark,3082-4.html

I would only look at the 1080p (middle chart).
560 Ti -------- 48.3FPS Avg
560 Ti 448 --- 53.3FPS Avg
570 GTX ------ 56.4FPS Avg

Unfortunately I can't find the BF3 580 or 590 performance, I apologize for that.

 

[melharts]

Heres more on the 448 Core overclocking, if you wanted to push to over 60 FPS on BF3...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-benchmark,3082-9.html

 

[Red Team FTW]

Pure gaming builds in fact any build really gets more value out of AMD/Radeon

 

[drewsuf82]

Drew, NP for the information. I updated my original post with links to Hierarchy charts and tomshardwares 600/1200$ builds.

SSDs will greatly improve performance with gaming load times too, IE loading from SWTOR planets to Battlegrounds, or flashpoints.

I would recommend the 560TI either normal or 448core (if you go the 448 core, I would hold off on SLI'ing til you got enough money for the 2nd one).

The I5 -2500k is a great deal, I wouldn't pass it up unless you could conjure enough money into the I7-2600K, but your performance gains would be minimal until programs/games used more cores.


Link to charts with a bunch of Nvidia 5xx series products. Its Toms Hardware Enthusiast Index based off of 100%, you want your score to be higher than that. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Enthusiast-Index,Marque_fbrandx876,2674.html

Based off of this you can see that the 570 GTX scores 107%, and the 580 120%. The 560 TI SLI'd, gets 177%. You can see a 57% gain in performance, based on this Index. However SLI 580's would give you 231% or 54% more gain in performance. SLI'ing products will give you great performance gains for the buck. Even 460 GTX SLI'd give 129%; or 9% over an individual 580. (Hope this all makes sense)

I've been reading all over that the 448s are limited editions though im wondering if they are still going to be around to be bought come fall when I get my next round of free money

 

[melharts]

Pure gaming builds in fact any build really gets more value out of AMD/Radeon

You mean Intel/Radeon? I can agree to that, however the poster of this topic, is showing they want an Intel/nvidia build, so please go troll elsewhere.

If you do have a valid point, please point it out using benchmarks, or other referenced material, instead of throwing opinions at this post.

Thanks.

 

[melharts]

I've been reading all over that the 448s are limited editions though im wondering if they are still going to be around to be bought come fall when I get my next round of free money

Unfortunately, I cannot answer this question. That is a risk that you would have to do, or choose -- along with building this (what you buy).

 

[drewsuf82]

Heres more on the 448 Core overclocking, if you wanted to push to over 60 FPS on BF3...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-benchmark,3082-9.html

ZOTAC ZT-50313-10M GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 448 Cores (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500231 ($309.99 + $0 Shipping - $20.00 MIR - $59.99 (value of BF3) = $230 all said and done)

This card seems like a good deal + Free BF3 Sweetens the deal after the $20 MIR so it's like saving $80

However it's clock speeds seem slightly slower than:

EVGA 012-P3-2068-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores Classified 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130739 ($299 + $7.56 Shipping + $0 in extras = $307.55 all said and done)


I haven't OC a GPU before but from what I have been seeing on here it isn't too bad at all as long as you do it slow, the bigger question is if the Zotac 448 will still be around in a few months when I have enough money to SLI it

 

[melharts]

You can overclock easily now adays. Just get MSI afterburner or EVGA precision tools (they work across brands, so you can use MSI's on EVGA or EVGA's on Zotacs). Pretty simple to use. Just make sure you have adequate airflow.

 

[amuffin]

With the i5-2500k, or 2600k, anything from Intel with the "K" means it doesn't come with a stock heatsink/fan, so you would need to purchase one. I'm just making sure you know this in advance... they typically run $50-75, for a nice one]

No, they come with one.

 

[Mousemonkey]

With the i5-2500k, or 2600k, anything from Intel with the "K" means it doesn't come with a stock heatsink/fan

My 2600K came in a box with a HSF so stop with the misinformation.

 

[Sunius]

ZOTAC ZT-50313-10M GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 448 Cores (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500231 ($309.99 + $0 Shipping - $20.00 MIR - $59.99 (value of BF3) = $230 all said and done)

This card seems like a good deal + Free BF3 Sweetens the deal after the $20 MIR so it's like saving $80

However it's clock speeds seem slightly slower than:

EVGA 012-P3-2068-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores Classified 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130739 ($299 + $7.56 Shipping + $0 in extras = $307.55 all said and done)


I haven't OC a GPU before but from what I have been seeing on here it isn't too bad at all as long as you do it slow, the bigger question is if the Zotac 448 will still be around in a few months when I have enough money to SLI it

Well, I guess you got your build already ;D. I was too slow.

Anyway, GTX 560 Ti 448 is a limited edition card, so if you want to SLI later, I would advice against getting one, because in the future they may be impossible to buy.

And OCing a GPU is really easy. Trust me