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March 13, 2012 12:12:42 AM

I am planning to upgrade my computer, and install the parts myself into my current computer. These are the components, I am just curious if they are good choices and will work well together..

Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme4 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...)

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...)

GPU: EVGA DS SuperClocked GeForce GTX 560 Ti (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...)

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...)

Will the fans for the ram fit well on this motherboard? I already have a 750W PSU, will that be enough? Thanks for looking at this, I just want to make sure it will work, so I don't waste my money.

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March 13, 2012 12:36:28 AM

That's a whole lot of CPU for that GPU. If you're purpose is gaming, i would suggest coming down on the cpu so you can get more gpu in your build. Also, unless you are running a ton of programs at once with multiple windows, etc., or doing something very memory intensive like video editing, etc., you will not likely need more than 8GB of Ram. How are you planning to cool your CPU? if you have an aftermarket air cooler, it is likely you will need ram without any heatsinks or fans (which I personally do not think are necessary even with a healthy overclock). What is your budget?
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March 13, 2012 1:00:03 AM

Agreed, change the ram out for something like CT2KIT51264BA1339 instead.

Agreed also that a 560TI / 6950 level video card isn't usually paired up with the 39xx processors.

I would think about a 2500k and one of the new ATI 79xx video cards instead.
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March 13, 2012 1:25:11 AM

I will most likely get the intel water cooler designed for it (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...), and budget? None specific but I want to build a cheap gaming computer, that has some room to overclock if I choose to do that. All I do is game, and do a little multitasking, I desire 60+ frames in all games possible, and I have always been an nvidia guy, I have heard nagative things about amd but am willing to maybe try them out.
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March 13, 2012 1:29:08 AM

also, for gaming is it necessary to get 2400MHZ ram or will 1600 be sufficient? What will those speeds affect for me? Anything? I am now maybe thinking a 2600k, looks like an alright cpum and will a 6 core processor even offer me performance boosts in games compared to 4?
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March 13, 2012 1:35:51 AM

Critiques? You don't need that board, that is 100% for sure. An Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 is good enough for most people out there even enthusiast. That would save you a whole lot of money and still give you the same performance. Plus it still supports Ivy Bridge and PCI 3.0 (If you have an Ivy Bridge chip in it, same with all the other boards that support PCI 3.0)

1600 IS PLENTY, no one will actually notice the difference from even 1333 to 1600. For gaming as well, 16GB is overkill 8gB is plenty, even heavy multi-taskers.

The 2600K is good enough, infact for gaming the 2500K is great too. After a modest 4ghz overclock on the 2500K, it basically beats the 2600K in performance. The 2500K is good enough for any gamer. Spend most of your money on your GPU.

Switch to the 7950 or wait for the 7870 to release in 3 days. The 7870 is $100 cheaper than the 580 but gives you more performance, lower power consumption and higher overclocks. Review:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...

As for fake water cooling, not a smart decision specially not by the company that made the CPUs, those generally suck. In most cases, air coolers beat out "Water cooling", by this I mean the fake closed looped water coolers like the H60, H80,
H100. Get a Hyper 212 Evo it'll give you plenty of OC room, to 4.6ghz at least for $30-40. Pretty solid temps to.

If you truly want to get a good performance/dollar build, you'll follow what I just said. Not to be condescending but I'm saying this is good advice that has worked for everyone on the forums. Meaning the suggested parts.
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March 13, 2012 1:50:49 AM

Being that you are a Nvidia man, i would wait for Kepler if i were you and pair an i5 2500k with a new Kepler GPU. I still think you would be good with 8GB of RAM, but given that the price is so low on RAM right now, I understand if you go with the 16GB anyways. From what i understand, the Intel Watercooler with the 3930K's is a standard closed loop system, and would probably be okay for light to moderate overclocks. And to be completely honest, i don't think 2400MHz RAM makes much of a difference of 1600MHz, if you want the same effect, pick a set of 1600MHz RAM with low latencies. With this setup, you would likely see the best possible gaming experience available.

If you are not willing to wait for Kepler, Raiddinn's suggestion of the 79xx Radeon card would give you better performance than the GTX 580.
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March 13, 2012 1:56:49 AM

Alright this is what I am thinking now..

CPU- 2500k or 2600k
GPU- An AMD 7970 (which company is best to buy from, XFX, MSI?)
RAM- CORSAIR DOMINATOR 8GB 1600MHZ (Almost might as well get 16GB for $30 more)
Mobo- ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
Cooler- Whatever air cooler I can find until I decide to OC

Looking good?

PS: I may wait for the kepler cards, I have waited this long after all.
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March 13, 2012 2:18:09 AM

Sandy Bridge-E is great if you got enough budget for it but, if you just one of the mainstream PC users, that 2nd choice you got is pretty solid.
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March 13, 2012 2:44:08 AM

Almost all the programs that use hyper threading (ie the difference between 2500 and 2600) are not games. I don't think a single game can take advantage of the extra virtual cores.

For gaming, the 2600 is basically just a way to waste $100 you don't need.

Also, for gaming (and almost everything else) there is not even 1 FPS difference between 1333 RAM and 2333 RAM.

The only things that see a performance difference are those things where the RAM is the bottleneck. I have only heard of 2 times that has been true:
1) Archiving programs - Winzip, 7zip, etc
2) Using a Llano processor where the regular RAM is used as VRAM.

Neither of those things apply here.

You should do like I said and get the part number I listed. The failure rates are rock bottom, unlike Corsair RAM which averages much higher failure rates.

The thing that will get you higher FPS in all the games is to save money on the processor/ram and spend more on the video card. Just like I said.

I haven't heard of any game + video card combo that has been able to crush a 2500k under the strain. That is really all you need.
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March 13, 2012 5:12:27 AM

Honestly, you only really need the i5 2500K I can guarantee honestly it's rare when ANYONE even needs an i7, it's just a myth associated with the older i7's where their performance was a large amount better than the i5's, this is not the case for Sandy Bridge, with a slight overclock, the i5 2500K = the i7 2600K. JUST GET THE 2500K.

Corsair dominator ram = ripoff and old now. Just go with the cheapo 8GB DDR3 1600 kits. They're plenty fine, just be sure it's CL9 and 1.5v

I've already told you the Hyper 212 Evo would be your best bet with modest overclocking.

For the card, get this PowerColor, despite assumptions PowerColor is bad, hardly the case. They're pretty good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Solid price and dual fan with a stock overclock.
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March 13, 2012 5:30:55 AM

Any difference for my needs between quad and dual channel memory? Just curious..

Alright this upgrade is under $1200 considering I can reuse my case, my PSU, my HDD, etc.

Comp specs will be:

Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...)
Processor: Intel Core i5-2500K @ 3.3Ghz (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...)
Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...)
GPU: PowerColor AX7970 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...)
RAM: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) @ 1600Mhz (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...)

Some of the components I am using are a 500GB HDD at 7200rpm, and a 2TB USB 3.0 External HDD, I plan to get a 120gbish SSD eventually. The PSU is a few years old but is 750w. I plan to overclock my processor but I really have no experience there, I hope to achieve over 4Ghz at least. I may upgrade the PSU if needed too. Sounding good now?
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March 13, 2012 3:56:25 PM

AFAIK, quad channel just means 4 of the exact same sticks, triple channel means 3 of the exact same sticks, and dual channel just means 2 of the exact same sticks.

As long as the sticks are the same, I am pretty sure the system doesn't differentiate, it will just use whatever it can use. Even if the sticks are different and you have to stick with single channel mode, I don't think there is a difference you can notice in performance vs dual, triple, or quad channel.

With the Z68 board you have it should be no problem to OC the processor if you want to.

I am not sure why anyone would think that PowerColor is bad. It is a good company that makes a lot of interesting cards. They do a lot of cards outside the mainstream like my 6850 passively cooled card.
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March 13, 2012 6:17:27 PM

I think you will find that if mixed sticks are used that the lowest SPD will be used that's within the specs supported by the motherboard. That is as long as you use the correct number and placement of memory for the number of channels supported.
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March 14, 2012 3:30:57 AM

Looks good now, and your plan does too. Everything looks solid.
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March 14, 2012 5:35:34 AM

No because you don't have a LC setup. LCing is not worth it unless you're more on the above average enthusiast. Specially not a custom loop for that matter. An average user doesn't even need LC, let alone most enthusiast imo. Lots of extra money for meh improvement.
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March 15, 2012 5:22:52 AM

Alright thanks for the help guys. I will definitely do this very soon.. and here's a bonus question.. xP who makes the best solid state drives?
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March 15, 2012 11:56:03 AM

Crucial and Samsung are the most reliable according to my knowledge.
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