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7970 HD vs 580 GTX vs 590 GTX

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January 9, 2012 1:40:24 PM

Buying a new GPU. The prices of those GPUs are pretty close to each other:

EVGA 590 GTX 3GB - $740

EVGA 580 GTX 3GB - $600

ASUS 7970 HD 3GB - $630

So there's $110 difference between 7970 and 590 GTX. Does the difference in performance of 590 GTX over 7970 HD worth it?

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January 9, 2012 1:46:02 PM

i would go for the 7970, right now its not at hes full performace because of the drivers.
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January 9, 2012 1:49:27 PM

+ you can overclock the 7970 alot more. Also you should be able to get 1 for $550 if you wait until theres more of them about hopefully 1-2weeks but could be longer.
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January 9, 2012 1:51:12 PM

I bet we are going to see a bunch of these threads. In my opinion, the GTX 580 3GB is not worth it compared to the HD 7970, however, the GTX 580 1.5GB is still a good buy because it costs about 100 dollars less than the HD 7970 and performs a bit slower. The prices do reflect the performance, the HD 7970 generally falls in between the GTX 590 and GTX 580 and the prices falls in between those two cards.

If I were you, I wouldn't even consider the GTX 590 / HD 6990 because the HD 7970 is very close while being a single card. I believe you should limit your choices to a GTX 580 1.5GB and an HD 7970 3GB. I'm an nVIDIA guy, so I would recommend the GTX 580 1.5GB but be aware that it will perform worse than the HD 7970 but well within 10-15 frames of it. I say save yourself the 100 dollars, buy a nice GTX 580 1.5GB, and put the saved cash towards a nice SSD in the future.
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January 9, 2012 1:57:46 PM

The HD 7970 is on average 20 percent ahead of GTX 580 in performance, but it also overclock great. seems amd has been very conservative with the stock clocks. there is rumors of air cooled and watercooled sapphire 1335mhz factory overclock. it also supports DirectX11.1
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January 9, 2012 2:04:14 PM

The GTX 590 is out of the question..its a terribly priced card. You can get 2X570s in SLI and get better performance for less..especially now that Galaxy sells their 570 for $270 sometimes on newegg.

The 7970 is a good buy..but not right now...the reference designs are clearly overpriced. Once nvidia comes with the 700 series...the price will go down by $50 at a minimum because early leaks shows that the GTX 770 might be on par with the 7970 and I doubt Nvidia will sell that for $550 and sell the GTX 780 for $600...Basically the card is over priced due to lack of competition...the same way the GTX 580 has been overpriced since release.

The 7970 does overclock to 1200/1600mhz easily judging by early reviews..1 website got some special bios that let them push the overdrive beyond 1125/1575 and they were shocked...Once the asus DCU2 and MSI twin frozer 3 come out...I feel 1250/1600mhz will be the norm with a slight voltage increase...so the GTX 580 ain't gonna beat that. However if 7970 can get 40% better performance than 6970...why can't nvidia GTX 780 get 35-40% than GTX 580? Seems reasonable that they will get it..and beat the 7970.
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January 9, 2012 2:33:11 PM

gtx 590 - no, just no,

all radeon cards - no, no physx and bad drivers, also I cannot forgive them for making the bulldozer CPU range,


so that laeves the 580

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January 9, 2012 5:11:16 PM

Why everyone is so negative to 590 GTX?:) 

I thought it's a good card for the price, a little bit slower than 2x580GTX SLI but also is a lot cheaper than 2 of them, like $500, but only loses about 10-20% of performance:

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/gtx-590-vs-gtx-580-sli/
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January 9, 2012 6:11:59 PM

+1 for 7970 - the drivers for the 7970 are perfect according to all reviews - the Stock performance is BLISTERINGLY fast and the Overclocking headroom is insane - as mentioned above, Sapphire are rumoured to be releasing a 1.33Ghz 7970 - which should in theory surpass a GTX590s performance. This leaves the possibility that the 7970s when voltage tweaked will be able to hit that speed on any PCB.
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January 9, 2012 6:12:09 PM

it overheats,

and MARS II made a gtx 580 version that is much faster than a 590

and it was never properly released
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January 9, 2012 7:20:06 PM

So you have proposed a question as to which is the better of the worst bang for your buck cards around.

580 3GB, couldn't give a single reason to get this.
590, can get a 6990 cheaper so why not get the 6990 (the only game out that uses physx to any obvious advantage is Batman, is this your favourite game? no then forget the 590).
580 1.5GB, about the worst bang for your buck card out there.
7970, if you think you can get one for $630 (yet alone at all given the limited stock) then this would have to be my choice. dharmenparik makes an excellent point though, the 570's still pose the best option for Nvidia and the 7970 once the price drops (which it should in the coming months) would be hard not to advise, but for now it's overpriced.

So essentially can you afford to wait for the 7970 price to drop? You may be forced to wait anyway based on how limited the stock is.


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gtx 590 - no, just no,

all radeon cards - no, no physx and bad drivers, also I cannot forgive them for making the bulldozer CPU range,


so that laeves the 580


Thank you for that very informative post, what a tremendous insight you have bought to this thread.
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January 10, 2012 8:09:01 PM

Perhaps I will go with AMD this time. But what about PhysX? There is no such thing as PhysX on AMD? PhysX makes a very big difference when it comes to a games... AMD must have something equivalent to it, does it?
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January 10, 2012 8:12:14 PM

Physx is only supported by 18 (?) games, it's not worth the drop in performance for the eye candy, unless maybe Batman is your favorite game.
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January 10, 2012 8:16:08 PM

yummerzzz said:
Physx is only supported by 18 (?) games, it's not worth the drop in performance for the eye candy, unless maybe Batman is your favorite game.

Hm, that's a huge minus for AMD...
So majority of benchmarks tests, where AMD went a little bit over Nvidia, should also be considered with turned on PhysX on Nvidia, right? I guess that makes Nvidia a better choice for GPU in my opinion.
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January 10, 2012 8:20:20 PM

There are only 21 games that USE Physx, so no, the majority of Benchmarks (Phsyx isn't even used in most benchmark-ed games, and if it s, it is disabled so the test is fair) don't favor Nvidia.

PhysX is NOT something that should make you buy a Nvidia GPU over an AMD one.

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January 10, 2012 8:28:36 PM

yummerzzz said:
There are only 21 games that USE Physx, so no, the majority of Benchmarks (Phsyx isn't even used in most benchmark-ed games, and if it s, it is disabled so the test is fair) don't favor Nvidia.

PhysX is NOT something that should make you buy a Nvidia GPU over an AMD one.

I always went with Nvidia and this might be my first time going with AMD Radeon, so I'm just trying to find all the pros and cons going with AMD. I heard AMD is not very good at cooling and very noisy, is it true?

What are the pros of going with AMD (except price)?

Thank you.
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January 10, 2012 8:36:54 PM

amd gpus also tend to get much better when drivers become more mature
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January 10, 2012 8:49:01 PM

Unless your a Batman fiend then PhysX should not be a real factor in your decision (that said future games may (or equally likely will not) use it so this may change.

On AMD's in general -
Pros: Performance + Price (Bang for your Buck), Scalability
Cons: Driver Support is not as good as Nvidia, no PhysX, some are loud(6990!), hot and power hungry (but if your not a tree-hugger, use headphones or a decent sound system and have a decent case these become basically irrelevant)

But you can't just take one over the other in general, there are levels and situations at which one is preferable to the other, you need to be comparing like cards not the brands in general.
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January 11, 2012 7:13:25 PM

Veirtimid said:
Why everyone is so negative to 590 GTX?:) 

I thought it's a good card for the price, a little bit slower than 2x580GTX SLI but also is a lot cheaper than 2 of them, like $500, but only loses about 10-20% of performance:

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/gtx-590-vs-gtx-580-sli/


The 590 got a bad rap cause a few cards overheated and burned when the 590 first got released, which has since been fixed. The 590 is an amazing card that abliterates framerates and great for ur one PCI-e solutions. The benchmarks dont lie.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-crossfire-...

Sure the 580 SLI will beat it but that's a lot more money. For the money the 590 is a great performer.

590>7970>580

But I'm not going to lie the 7970 handles very well in crossfire with double the framerate of a single. http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-crossfire-...

And anyone that's says PhysX isn't worh it hasn't seen Batman AC or Mafia with PhysX enabled to max settings. Its amazing.
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January 11, 2012 9:22:18 PM

Ninja Pants said:
Unless your a Batman fiend then PhysX should not be a real factor in your decision (that said future games may (or equally likely will not) use it so this may change.

On AMD's in general -
Pros: Performance + Price (Bang for your Buck), Scalability
Cons: Driver Support is not as good as Nvidia, no PhysX, some are loud(6990!), hot and power hungry (but if your not a tree-hugger, use headphones or a decent sound system and have a decent case these become basically irrelevant)

But you can't just take one over the other in general, there are levels and situations at which one is preferable to the other, you need to be comparing like cards not the brands in general.



Just to add, In general, AMD GPU's use less power to give out the performance of a competing Nvidia card.
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January 11, 2012 11:00:46 PM

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