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Q6600 gfx complement for crysis2

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January 11, 2012 12:00:12 AM

Hi

I am an occasional gamer, have been using integrated cards so far to play
such games as most wanted, doom3, quake4 or swat.

It seems though that to run crysis2 there is no chance with integrated stuff.

I would appreciate your help in choosing for me the right card.

here are my specs

q6600
3 gb ram
winxp pro
1024/786 crt
nexus value 430 PSU
gigabyte ga-g31m-s2l MOBO

I want a economical choice, I see that there are quite cheap gt8800 cards, which probbably will not need a stronger PSU. Ideally, I wouldn't have to buy a new psu.

Thank you

a c 173 U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 12:29:13 AM

5670 or 6670. Unless you can find an "eco" 88/9800GT cheap enough.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 1:16:31 AM

Yep
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January 11, 2012 1:23:20 AM

Thank you.

5670 are available from gigabyte and sapphire (and 6670 only from sapphire)

does the brand make a difference here?

a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 1:30:40 AM

It really wont matter
a c 181 U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 1:48:59 AM

No up grading psu, get to play the game and a few more. You should be good to go for a while.
January 11, 2012 1:50:00 AM

okay. So the only thing is ddr3 vs ddr5.

I read mixed reviews about whether it makes a difference or not.

In this forum sb said that 512 ddr5 is better than 1024 ddr3 because ddr3 is too slow for that amount of ram.

what do you think? is there a formula?
a c 173 U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 2:28:55 AM

When dealing with cards this low end, having oodles of ram won't make any difference. I'd go for the 512MB DDR5 over the 1GB DDR3. Having the extra ram will help applying higher levels of AA, but the 5670 is to slow to do that.
January 11, 2012 8:27:30 AM

maybe go for the sapphire 6670 as its gddr5 which will give you faster performance also the 6670 is slightly more powerful than the 5670 so you should have no trouble running crysis2. also i have that card and can play crysis 2 @ 1920x1080
a c 173 U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 9:05:47 AM

They do require a 6pin PCIe plug however, and with a "value" PSU I wouldn't risk it.
January 11, 2012 9:56:56 AM

5770 - if it additionally may strain my "value" psu, I had better stay with 6670 512 ddr5.

Newbie, what is your fps average and minimum? Are you getting a smooth performance in Crysis2? I hope, with 1024x768 it might be slighly better.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 10:40:46 AM

You should run it on very high-extreme with the 5670/6670 @ 1024x768.
January 11, 2012 4:47:00 PM

Cool. This strikes a golden mean. Are there any games yet that will prove unplayable at this resolution?
January 11, 2012 7:29:14 PM

Okay. Thanks everyone. Yoou have been very helpful with the concrete, specific and, given the PSU specs, most probably very accurate advice.

I am going for ASUS ATI Radeon HD5670 512MB ddr5. Paying tomorrow and should get it early next week.

I will write back how the card performs.



I will write
a c 88 U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 7:30:52 PM

Overclock your Q6600 too , it will really make a nice difference with your new card :) 
January 11, 2012 7:44:27 PM

I have never done that. Won't my PSU Nexus430Value be put at risk?

What would be the noticable benefit?

a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2012 9:25:34 PM

If you're a begginer don't risk it with that psu and mobo, they're low end and not sufficient for oc'ing, plus your 5670 will still be the bottleneck, that q6600 will bottleneck something like a 6950/gtx560 ti, not a 5670.
a c 181 U Graphics card
January 12, 2012 1:09:40 AM

There is a lot of good sound advice. It is your money your computer your choice. But unkonwn_13 is right it would be pointless to OC anything on your rig. Maybe some time in the fucture with a new rig of sorts then revisit this site and go from there. Good luck to you.
January 12, 2012 2:05:17 AM

Yes, I have done some search. Messing with voltage is not my game.

January 12, 2012 10:01:56 AM

They shop is out of these Asus cards. There is another which does not specify the maker. Are there any firms to beware of?
a b U Graphics card
January 12, 2012 10:17:38 AM

I don't think that CPU would require any overclocking. Besides, you'd need to get an aftermarket cooler, as well as a new PSU and motherboard to make sure that overclock is a good one.
January 12, 2012 9:03:34 PM

Okay. No overclocking.

Before tomorrow I have another chance to decide between widely recommended, convincing hd5670
and
hd4850


The latter (HD4850)
is faster: 1000 vs 650 GFlops
costs the same (have found an offer for new in a good shop)
uses twice as many watts (110 vs 55)
and
seems 2x higher (or is it an illusion?)

The wattache of psu recommended by the shop is 450W - my Nexus430Value offers 20watts less.

Directx10 vs 11 does not seem to matter with my WindowsXP

My only concern is the wattage. With 4 hard disks - isn't it too high strain?
January 12, 2012 9:29:20 PM

Here is the calculation:

System Type: 1 physical CPU
Motherboard: Regular - Desktop
CPU Socket: Socket LGA 775
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 2400 MHz Kentsfield
CPU Utilization (TDP): 90% TDP
RAM: 2 Sticks DDR2 SDRAM
ATTENTION: FOR PERSONAL, NON-COMMERCIAL USE ONLY
IDE HDD 7200 rpm: 2 HDDs
Regular SATA: 2 HDDs
CD-ROM Drive: 1 Drive
DVD-RW/DVD+RW Drive: 1 Drive
56K PCI Modem: Yes
PCI SATA RAID Card: Yes
Additional PCI Card (avg): 1 Card
USB: 2 Devices
Fans
Regular: 1 Fan 120mm;
Keyboard and mouse: Yes
System Load: 90 %

Minimum PSU Wattage: 259 Watts
Recommended Wattage: 309 Watts

I wonder if it is reliable.
a c 173 U Graphics card
January 13, 2012 12:52:40 AM

PSU might be better then I thought.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/Nexus_Value_430

Independent regulated, 80% or better for the most part, and claims to do 384W on the (4???) 12v rails. This is 32A, and should be enough for a single GPU card. I say risk it. Better then most "value" units I've seen.
a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2012 11:29:41 AM

bnot said:
Okay. No overclocking.

Before tomorrow I have another chance to decide between widely recommended, convincing hd5670
and
hd4850


The latter (HD4850)
is faster: 1000 vs 650 GFlops
costs the same (have found an offer for new in a good shop)
uses twice as many watts (110 vs 55)
and
seems 2x higher (or is it an illusion?)

The wattache of psu recommended by the shop is 450W - my Nexus430Value offers 20watts less.

Directx10 vs 11 does not seem to matter with my WindowsXP

My only concern is the wattage. With 4 hard disks - isn't it too high strain?


The HD 4850 is a very good gpu, much faster than an 5670, but if isn't 10-15$ cheaper than the 5770/6770's, then get the 5770/6770.
January 14, 2012 1:45:20 AM

I have bought 4850 :) 

on 1024x768 Crysis 2 plays at gamer settings, portal 2 maxed out. I am going to try Need For Speed Hot Pursuit2.

Visual side is STELLAR. I didn't expect there would be such a fantastic difference between Quake 4 and Crysis2. I have reached the site with 3 alien pods and so far animation has been seamless.

I am in doubt whether to close the computer, don't want it to fry.
And the loudness is higher than I expected.

Temperature is 52 and fan speed 44%.


I will close the cover and reduce the fan to 32% and see what happens.

**

After lowering it to to 32%, the temperature rose to 55 degrees.


Finally a warnig for others inexperienced. This is another effect of my inexperience with computer components - the mobo setup does not allow 2 pcis and pcie*2, because of the arrangement of ports - second part of the card covers the pci port. This thing is regardless of the card - all the new ones take two rows, it's onloy now that I realise that.
a c 181 U Graphics card
January 14, 2012 2:36:42 AM

Sorry to hear that. Now I think this is where I start Planning on a new rig. What I mean is how much money I can save and how fast. I am doing that for my new GPU's and the way I see it, It will be at least a year or so before I can get them. I do wish you the best of luck
January 14, 2012 3:56:29 AM

The system gets too hot, as I close teh box, too loud if opened.

I tend to think I don't want such a computer. I use it for the net, for some job stuff, and such a card appears to demand more messing around than I can spare.

I have ten days to take the final decision.
a c 173 U Graphics card
January 14, 2012 6:15:10 AM

I just sold my single slot 4850. They do exist. Most are dual slot these days but it is possible to find single slot cards.

55c isn't bad for a GPU. (even for a CPU you'd be fine.) If you're that worried about it get some case fans. You should be able to get some slow spinning 120mm case fans that will help.
January 14, 2012 7:51:04 AM

bnot said:
I have bought 4850 :) 

on 1024x768 Crysis 2 plays at gamer settings, portal 2 maxed out. I am going to try Need For Speed Hot Pursuit2.

Visual side is STELLAR. I didn't expect there would be such a fantastic difference between Quake 4 and Crysis2. I have reached the site with 3 alien pods and so far animation has been seamless.

I am in doubt whether to close the computer, don't want it to fry.
And the loudness is higher than I expected.

Temperature is 52 and fan speed 44%.


I will close the cover and reduce the fan to 32% and see what happens.

**

After lowering it to to 32%, the temperature rose to 55 degrees.


Finally a warnig for others inexperienced. This is another effect of my inexperience with computer components - the mobo setup does not allow 2 pcis and pcie*2, because of the arrangement of ports - second part of the card covers the pci port. This thing is regardless of the card - all the new ones take two rows, it's onloy now that I realise that.


just want to share my system
got i3 2100 and 4670 card and i can play crysis 2 at advance setting w/ 30fps,MWF3 maxout 30 t0 40 fps,battlefield 3 high auto settings 25-30fps at 1366x768 res..,so i think 5670/6770 can afford wat you want in most games. You should pick this rather than 4850
a c 173 U Graphics card
January 14, 2012 9:01:04 AM

His 4850 is faster then your 4670 or even the 5670. It's a bit faster then the 5750.
January 14, 2012 10:07:18 AM

sory i mean 5770/6770
a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2012 7:32:17 AM

Congrats on the purchase :) 
Now, you should run Crysis 2 @ 1024x768 all maxed out, or at extreme settings, i run it at ultra settings at that resolution and get around 35fps on average.
January 25, 2012 1:25:23 AM

Hello again

I eventually resigned from 4850, because it was too hot and unbearably loud even at the lowest fan speed (either the volume or maybe the sountd of the fan - doesn't matter).

I finally decided to get back to what I was recommended here from the very beginning: hd5670 512 ddr5. I found a sindgle height one, ata good price. So far, I am VERY HAPPY about the choice. Thank you, all the ppl who responded in this thread. That's much appreciated.

Now I realise the card is not MSI, contrary to what the serial no suggests.

Here are the data given by the seller at an electronic auction:

Karta wideo MSI R5670
BIOS Version 012.020.000.033.000000
Nazwa kodowa procesora graficznego Redwood
Numer części 113-AC83300-100
Urządzenie PCI 1002-68D9 / 1462-2207 (Rev 00)
Liczba tranzystorów 627 milion(ów)
Technologia wykonania 40 nm
Rozmiar procesora (Die Size) 104 mm2
Typ magistrali PCI Express 2.0 x16 @ x16
Rozmiar pamięci 512 MB
Częstotliwość taktowania układu graficznego 650 MHz (oryginalny: 650 MHz)
Częstotliwość taktowania przetwornika RAMDAC 400 MHz
Liczba potoków pikseli 4
Texture Mapping Units 20
Unified Shaders 400 (v5.0)
Sprzętowa obsługa DirectX DirectX v11
Pixel Fillrate 2600 MPikseli/sek
Texel Fillrate 13000 MTekseli/sek
Typ magistrali GDDR5
Szerokość magistrali 128-bitowy(a)
Rzeczywista częstotliwość taktowania 1009 MHz (DDR) (oryginalny: 1010 MHz)
Efektywna częstotliwość taktowania 2018 MHz
Przepustowość 31.5 GB/sek

Given that i did not get a box, I suspect the card is a noname?


There is however a strange behavious in Catalyst.

I enabled overdrive to set hi perf gpu to 650mhz and mem clock to 100mhz, as it reads in the technical data quoted by the reseller and in the current values below the figures are respectively 157mhz and 450mhz. How come?
a c 173 U Graphics card
January 25, 2012 2:52:11 AM

It's in 2D clock mode. The card will underclock to save power. When you fire up a game it should go back to advertized clocks.
January 25, 2012 4:36:08 PM

I see. If I leave the card to self regulate, with games like NFS Most Wanted (a game even my integrated gfx card could handle) according to SpeedFan software it reaches no more than 70degrees C, so I guess it's okay. But with Crysis 2 SF reported even above 80. As I set in catalyst the fan to a constant 65%, it remains below 70degC. A simple conclusion: speed up the fan manually before Crysis. But isn't there a more automatic way, so that as the temperature approaches 70dCelsius, the fan should speed up?
January 27, 2012 9:35:57 PM

Alright, I found Afterburner. Works great as a fan controller. The underclocking does not go as low as catalist, but it's not a problem.
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