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March 16, 2012 2:12:35 AM

Looking for some feedback after the preliminary round. Is PSU sufficient? mem? Gaming computer also being used for photo/video editing.

Cpu- i5-2500k

MoBo - ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - ASUS GeForce GTX 560 Ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MEM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB ddr3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD - Seagate Barracuda 1 tb 7200 rpm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dvd - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case - Antec 300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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March 16, 2012 2:19:08 AM

Everything looks good! PSU will more than suffice.
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March 16, 2012 3:46:38 PM

The OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W is not a good choice, this is because it only has ~50W more available on it's 12V rails than the 600W version and it is functionally identical in terms of the number and length of cables and connectors, so you might as well get the 600W version which is much less expensive.
Don't be under the illusion that it can SLI GTX 560 Tis, because it can't.

If you are going to spend ~$90 on a PSU there are much better choices as well.
XFX Pro 650W Core Edition 80Plus Bronze $80 ($15 rebate)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59616&vpn=P1650SNLB9&m...

You might want to consider the Three Hundred Two for a similar price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 16, 2012 8:38:36 PM

Yeah I think you went overboard with the 700W PSU, especially if you're only running one 560 Ti. You are better off going for a high quality 600W PSU for the same price, give or a take a couple of dollars.

Here are a few suggestions:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The second one is modular and was originally priced at $124 but brought down to $89. It is a good brand and is highly rated.
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March 16, 2012 9:47:52 PM

Check out my $850 build:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
Those are my recommendations, specially for the PSU. A solid buy @ $100 and giving you 750w. OCZ has gotten a lot better.
However one thing, wait a week and instead of the 560 Ti I suggest, get the 7850 releasing in the week or two. It'll provide better temps, power consumption (efficiency), overclocking, performance and just all around for only $40 more. Here's the review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
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March 16, 2012 10:14:56 PM

aznshinobi said:
Check out my $850 build:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
Those are my recommendations, specially for the PSU. A solid buy @ $100 and giving you 750w. OCZ has gotten a lot better.
However one thing, wait a week and instead of the 560 Ti I suggest, get the 7850 releasing in the week or two. It'll provide better temps, power consumption (efficiency), overclocking, performance and just all around for only $40 more. Here's the review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...

As for the PSU I'm not quite sure of your choice but you are right that by waiting a few weeks is worth it for the 7850. Of course that is considering that the OP is willing to spend $40 more as it isn't a small sum of course. I personally love the 560 Ti and wouldn't settle for anything else within that generation of cards. The review may not be completely accurate on the 7850 and who knows how the card actually performs as even the review can't predict that. However, most decent 560 Ti's with good after-market coolers are usually at least $240 anyways so I guess the price isn't that much more for a 7850. The only thing I'm concerned about is that the price given in the review may only be for the reference design or one with a bad cooler. You would most likely want an after-market cooler with good performance so the price may be well over the one listed there. Could be at least $250-$290 for one with a good cooler.
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March 16, 2012 10:34:15 PM

I'm sure the 7850 will be around $250 but definitely not more than $280 as that will approach the 7870's pricing. Could be wrong however. I don't know what you mean by the review not being completely accurate about the performance. These are actual launch ready chips given to most of the large electronic websites in the world, IE Guru3D, TPU, Toms, Tweaktown, Legitreviews, all of their reviews all come out to providing the same if not similar benchmark results. It's not like they left any games to benchmark out.

Also here's a review on the ZS series
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
JG one of the best PSU reviewers gives it a 9, barely. But still nonetheless a 9. Granted this is the 550w version, the difference isn't all that much since Sirtec still OEMs the 750w version as well on the similar design.
650w version got Gold in Hardware Secrets
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/OCZ-ZS-Series-65...
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March 16, 2012 11:08:29 PM

Thanks for the advice all, I appreciate ya. but as im already over what i wanted to spend i think im gonna stick with the 560 ti, seems like a solid choice. As for the PSU, witch i admit im fairly clueless about. i think im gonna go with the
CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W simply because i can get it cheaper and it should run everything fine.

unless someone has some reason why i shouldn't. basically my brain is mush at the moment as im learning pretty much everything as i go! (lots of fun tho and im much more knowledgeable then i was 3 days ago!)
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March 16, 2012 11:15:54 PM

Why go with the 560 Ti? Turns out the 7850 is released already on Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's only slightly more for way more performance I don't know why you'd go for a prior gen that being the 560 Ti.

560 Ti vs 7850
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=547
Beat in most benchmarks (560 Ti) however there are a few exceptions. The 7850 does pull in lower temps on the reference design, quieter and lower power consumption as well as higher overclocks.

Why get the GS series @ $90 for 600w when you can get the Antec 650w for only $75?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 16, 2012 11:15:56 PM

Oh and why the 300 two? it doesnt really look anybetter to me.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
March 16, 2012 11:17:47 PM

The 300 Two has USB 3.0, more stock fans included, and a better cable management design.
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March 16, 2012 11:22:14 PM

just trying to cut down on price, but ill probably end up getting the 7850, your right 40 bucks relly isnt *** at this point.
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March 16, 2012 11:22:46 PM

aznshinobi said:
Why go with the 560 Ti? Turns out the 7850 is released already on Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's only slightly more for way more performance I don't know why you'd go for a prior gen that being the 560 Ti.

560 Ti vs 7850
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=547
Beat in most benchmarks (560 Ti) however there are a few exceptions. The 7850 does pull in lower temps on the reference design, quieter and lower power consumption as well as higher overclocks.

Why get the GS series @ $90 for 600w when you can get the Antec 650w for only $75?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The two models posted on Newegg are $60 more than most 560Ti's. If the OP is willing to go that high than that is a good choice. However just because a 560Ti is a past gen card, doesn't mean it is outdated as it is one of the best, rock-solid budget cards of its time. Anyways, the Antec PSU is cheaper and gives a higher wattage but brand-wise and quality-wise it is rather garbage. Just because of the cheapness and wattage being more, doesn't mean that it is a 'better deal.' You want to pick a PSU with a good capacitor and other features that make PSU's such as the OCZ ZS Series 650W PSU a lot better of a choice.
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March 16, 2012 11:25:26 PM

^ Not only that but the PC the OP is building only needs around 550W to run properly as the GPU he has chosen requires less energy. Therefore, he can choose to get a 600W-650W PSU of good quality instead of the Antec one that IMHO seems cheap.

EDIT: The Antec isn't also too appealing visually.
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March 16, 2012 11:27:30 PM

Akhilcool said:
The two models posted on Newegg are $60 more than most 560Ti's. If the OP is willing to go that high than that is a good choice. However just because a 560Ti is a past gen card, doesn't mean it is outdated as it is one of the best, rock-solid budget cards of its time. Anyways, the Antec PSU is cheaper and gives a higher wattage but brand-wise and quality-wise it is rather garbage. Just because of the cheapness and wattage being more, doesn't mean that it is a 'better deal.' You want to pick a PSU with a good capacitor and other features that make PSU's such as the OCZ ZS Series 650W PSU a lot better of a choice.



How do you know if it has a good capacitor?
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March 16, 2012 11:33:58 PM

I have checked the review for the Antec PSU and it isn't actually that bad however, if you look at it....it looks like crap and the OCZ PSU faired a bit better of a review as well as it looking better.

Antec Review: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

BTW, JG is the best PSU reviewer out there. :D 
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March 16, 2012 11:34:23 PM

Lol Akhil can you backup your statements with reviews and proof please?

Ok the 560 Ti is $210 @ cheapest, the 7850 is $260 at cheapest. THAT'S A $50 difference not $60. Not a huge difference at the cost OP is already spending. I know that old cards don't mean it's bad, I still rock a 5850. HOWEVER the 7850 is of the 28nm fab and that's a huge difference that's worth $50. He'll get way lower temps with the custom heatsink vs reference (Twinfrozer II) in fact the reference design's temps were already lower than the 560 Ti's. The power consumption is much less and the 560 Ti's is already lower. The 7850 can also OC WAY higher, than the 560 Ti.

To sum it up, the 7850 is better in EVERYWAY especially the fact that when the OP wants to Crossfire the availability of the 7850 will be easier than the 560 Ti's. So that's another reason @ only $50 more it's way worth it.

I suggest a 650w BECAUSE OP can Crossfire in the future. That is why, and your statement could not be more wrong. Antec makes great PSUs, they've always have.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon...
The only cons it had were non-sleeved (not a big deal) and non-modular (again expected at the price, the GS isn't modular either for $15 more)
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March 16, 2012 11:37:35 PM

Why would you recommend an $80 550w when you can get a 650w that is only $75? This thought process is illogical when the Antec provides just as good performance. The ZS 750 is placed a solid price point but definitely not the 550w version or 650w version.

You also pulled up the wrong review Akhil, that's the older Antec 650 EA not the newer one.
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March 16, 2012 11:39:23 PM

aznshinobi said:
Lol Akhil can you backup your statements with reviews and proof please?

Ok the 560 Ti is $210 @ cheapest, the 7850 is $260 at cheapest. THAT'S A $50 difference not $60. Not a huge difference at the cost OP is already spending. I know that old cards don't mean it's bad, I still rock a 5850. HOWEVER the 7850 is of the 28nm fab and that's a huge difference that's worth $50. He'll get way lower temps with the custom heatsink vs reference (Twinfrozer II) in fact the reference design's temps were already lower than the 560 Ti's. The power consumption is much less and the 560 Ti's is already lower. The 7850 can also OC WAY higher, than the 560 Ti.

To sum it up, the 7850 is better in EVERYWAY especially the fact that when the OP wants to Crossfire the availability of the 7850 will be easier than the 560 Ti's. So that's another reason @ only $50 more it's way worth it.

I suggest a 650w BECAUSE OP can Crossfire in the future. That is why, and your statement could not be more wrong. Antec makes great PSUs, they've always have.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon...
The only cons it had were non-sleeved (not a big deal) and non-modular (again expected at the price, the GS isn't modular either for $15 more)

Firstly, I said that "If the OP is willing to spend the extra $40, the 7850 is a good buy" so I agreed with you. Secondly, just because the Antec PSU is $15 cheaper doesn't mean it is actually a good deal as I said before. For the immediate case, the OCZ PSU has a better look, better performance and reliability. Can you give me a reason why the 650W PSU is more expensive than a 750W PSU for other than the looks?
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March 16, 2012 11:40:00 PM

aznshinobi said:
Why would you recommend an $80 550w when you can get a 650w that is only $75? This thought process is illogical when the Antec provides just as good performance. The ZS 750 is placed a solid price point but definitely not the 550w version or 650w version.

You also pulled up the wrong review Akhil, that's the older Antec 650 EA not the newer one.

The model I recommended is the 650W one......the review is only for 550W.......the 650W PSU is $80.......
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March 16, 2012 11:40:11 PM

Enthusiadam, I don't know how much more I can emphasize this but the Antec is so much more worth it than the 650w units you just posted. Both are priced $10 away from most 750ws. You might as well go for a 750w.

It's just not worth it for those 2 units when you have an Antec 650w 80+ BRONZE that gets solid marks performs the same (better than the GS 600) but costs less. It just doesn't make sense to go with the 650 ZS or the GS600.

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March 16, 2012 11:42:09 PM

I believe the only difference between the new Antec PSU and the one in the review is that it is designed to be more energy efficient.
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March 16, 2012 11:42:25 PM

Im just gonna suck it up and go with the 7850, but im almost more confused on powersupplys now then before, can you explain to me what makes a good PSU and what makes one "cheep" (obviously im not talking about price)
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March 16, 2012 11:45:03 PM

Please show me, how the OCZ ZS 650 has better performance and reliability than the Antec?

They both perform pretty much the same, the reviews have shown the Antec upholds its 80+ certification therefore the difference cannot be huge between that and the ZS 650. The reliability is hard to judge, even then, the Antec has a 3 year warranty and so does the OCZ unit. So it would not really matter as issues would come forth within the first year. So reliability is out of the issue.

All it comes down to is performance and the performance is close enough that $15 saved is nice to put towards the GPU. Plus the fact that his build doesn't have a window, does it really matter that it doesn't look good enough?
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March 16, 2012 11:47:25 PM

Enthusiadam said:
Im just gonna suck it up and go with the 7850, but im almost more confused on powersupplys now then before, can you explain to me what makes a good PSU and what makes one "cheep" (obviously im not talking about price)

Most PSU's give a rating of wattage that they can give. For example the Antec PSU gives a rating of 750W. However, the rating is usually the peak rating. Meaning that it doesn't give you that much of an output on average but can potentially reach that wattage at times. I'm not saying that the Antec one can't reach that high of a wattage, but it may not reach it on average which is indicated by its pricing and what some reviews say. Secondly, the PSU's designate a certain amount of wattage to each type of connector (CPU connectors, GPU connectors, etc.) So after considering all of these things, and also the budget and looks, can you determine which PSU is better.
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March 16, 2012 11:49:33 PM

Enthusia, a cheap power supply would be one that can't live up to its efficiency. Uses cheap capacitors, this results in shorter life and shorter life to how long it actually holds its efficiency.

Let me evaluate, a PSU can still get a great efficiency at the start of its life (out of the box), however if the capacitors are cheap the efficiency will deteriorate faster and therefore resulting in the maximum output you had when you bought it to deteriorate. A great example of this is the Cooler Master GX and Extreme series, both were good at the start getting solid efficiency. Questionable capacitors resulted in many buyers having dead PSUs within a year or two according to Newegg.

Now, I won't say I'm an expert on PSUs as I'm not. So I'll leave the rest such as Ripples and 12 volt explanations to experts or you to google them.
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March 16, 2012 11:50:30 PM

aznshinobi said:
Please show me, how the OCZ ZS 650 has better performance and reliability than the Antec?

They both perform pretty much the same, the reviews have shown the Antec upholds its 80+ certification therefore the difference cannot be huge between that and the ZS 650. The reliability is hard to judge, even then, the Antec has a 3 year warranty and so does the OCZ unit. So it would not really matter as issues would come forth within the first year. So reliability is out of the issue.

All it comes down to is performance and the performance is close enough that $15 saved is nice to put towards the GPU. Plus the fact that his build doesn't have a window, does it really matter that it doesn't look good enough?

Well he was concerned about his CPU cooler being red which meant it did matter to him somewhat. However, I'm not that convinced that the PSU you have selected is reliable based on its pricing per wattage.

Oh and read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/300041-28-antec-earth...

Also, the PSU you have chosen does not include a power cable...
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March 16, 2012 11:51:18 PM

aznshinobi said:
Enthusia, a cheap power supply would be one that can't live up to its efficiency. Uses cheap capacitors, this results in shorter life and shorter life to how long it actually holds its efficiency.

Let me evaluate, a PSU can still get a great efficiency at the start of its life (out of the box), however if the capacitors are cheap the efficiency will deteriorate faster and therefore resulting in the maximum output you had when you bought it to deteriorate. A great example of this is the Cooler Master GX and Extreme series, both were good at the start getting solid efficiency. Questionable capacitors resulted in many buyers having dead PSUs within a year or two according to Newegg.

Now, I won't say I'm an expert on PSUs as I'm not. So I'll leave the rest such as Ripples and 12 volt explanations to experts or you to google them.

LOL I'm an electrical engineer :D 
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March 16, 2012 11:51:52 PM

Enthusiadam said:
Lovley little debate here, but i think im gonna opt for the price cut on the power supply and go with the antec
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Unless its gonna make my computer blow up (oh god it wont will it?!?!?!hah) , then putting the money saved towards the 7850.

That is good. :)  Good luck take care!
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March 16, 2012 11:54:12 PM

The only issues with that one are the looks, the power distribution, the average wattage and the lack of the power cord, however if the price difference of $15 is meaningful to you then go ahead with the Antec.
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March 16, 2012 11:55:02 PM

Sounds good OP, good luck! I honestly have seen many forum members get recommended that power supply and it has worked out fine.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon...
According to the KitGuru review, and I'm sure it's the case, the Antec has a very good protection system as to when the PSU will shut itself down from an issue. That would be a max load of 714w according to the review. So no issues should be going down unless you get a bad unit and that happens. All companies don't have 100% perfect PSUs and products that release.
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March 17, 2012 12:06:52 AM

Like flipping a coin as soon as soon as i chose the antec i didnt want it plus 18 bad review of it dying catching on fire etc. as soon as i chose OCZ ZS Series 650W PSU i was happy. that a good one sirs?
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March 17, 2012 12:08:06 AM

I already voted sincerely to the OCZ XD, you just have to see what aznshinobi can come up with.
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March 17, 2012 12:11:49 AM

I personally think that the OCZ PSU has just so many things that could make the extra $15 worth it. As I said, looks, reliability and a great average wattage that lives up to the 650W it offers. It even comes with a power cord which is rather hilarious as those things are usually standard (the Antec PSU doesn't have a power cord.) Not only that but look at the cables of the Antec....they are rather disgusting.

Edit: If you really want more wattage, there is another Antec PSU but again, for the price to wattage comparison, I just don't think the quality is good enough even though you are getting more wattage.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd go for the OCZ.
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March 17, 2012 12:19:03 AM

You can look at OCZ's 650w bad reviews for 1-2 eggs. Just shows the reliability that most PSUs will always have issues with. The OCZ has only 38 reviews as opposed to the Antec's 145 reviews so theres obviously going to be less issues reported for the OCZ, I'm looking at the reviews you saw and I only see 1 where the user reported the PSU exploding. Most of the other "dead/dying" PSU reviews happen. Like I said not every unit is perfect. I'm sure if time dragged on, the OCZ would also have reviews like those Antec reviewers that had their PSUs die. I already see a few about the OCZ having it die in a few weeks/months.

Course OP it is your choice in the end. I'm not going to keep trying to argue to defend it.
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March 17, 2012 12:26:22 AM

aznshinobi said:
You can look at OCZ's 650w bad reviews for 1-2 eggs. Just shows the reliability that most PSUs will always have issues with. The OCZ has only 38 reviews as opposed to the Antec's 145 reviews so theres obviously going to be less issues reported for the OCZ, I'm looking at the reviews you saw and I only see 1 where the user reported the PSU exploding. Most of the other "dead/dying" PSU reviews happen. Like I said not every unit is perfect. I'm sure if time dragged on, the OCZ would also have reviews like those Antec reviewers that had their PSUs die. I already see a few about the OCZ having it die in a few weeks/months.

Course OP it is your choice in the end. I'm not going to keep trying to argue to defend it.

True, true but the PSU doesn't even have a power cord! Not only that but it looks distasteful, and has a "maximum" wattage of 650. The OCZ model has a power cord, better looks, and even has a "Hardware Secrets Golden Award" from Newegg along with a bigger 135mm fan that keeps the PSU running below an ambient temp of 40C. It is more efficient at around 85% on AVERAGE as opposed to the peak of the Antec being at 88% which will not usually be the case at most loads.
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March 17, 2012 12:34:14 AM

So can you give me the reasons other than the price, that the Antec PSU is more favorable than the OCZ one?
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March 17, 2012 12:42:45 AM

Luls you're going to give me that argument? KitGuru gave Antec best value and recorded that the maximum wattage was 714w before shutdown. Also your argument about temps, the Antec had similar temps with the biggest temp difference being 5* C @ max load. Most of the time @ lower loads and even in between, the Antec had cooler temps or similar temps to the OCZ.

Another thing, your talk of "efficiency", the OCZ @ Max load of 650w was only pulling 82.1% efficiency while the Antec @ 714w was pulling 82.3%. The OCZ also pulled around 84-86% efficiency, the Antec did as well... pulling 83.76 (basically 84) to 88% at peaks. If anything the Antec pulled better efficiencies where the OP would be using his max load at which is 270w-530w. Getting 87-88% efficiency as opposed to 84-87% efficiency of the OCZ in the same wattage output.

Also, a power cord costs like $2 as if a huge difference. Again it's OPs choice, I'm just saying the Antec performs better as shown in the things you pointed out that OCZ performs better, when in the reviews we see it doesn't. Not as good as the Antec at least.
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March 17, 2012 1:01:22 AM

OK regardless of it being even a little better performance wise than the OCZ (even if it is so small it doesn't really matter) the looks itself are enough to consider the $15 upgrade. Sorry the $13 upgrade since the lack of the $2 power cord. The price of the Antec was dropped possibly for clearance due to lack of sales or for bad reviews, nevertheless, I can't seem to find much of a difference performance wise between the two. Keep in mind that I could find a lot of reviews for the OCZ PSU compared to the Antec one which I only found one. Finally, the OCZ PSU has 8 SATA connectors compared to the 7 from the Antec one, and it doesn't have a floppy connector which is useless anyways. That point is rather weak anyhow but what I just saw is that with the mail-in rebate, you are paying $65 for the OCZ PSU and $60 for the Antec one, the $5 extra seems reasonable for cable sleeves and a nice black design.

EDIT: Hehe, $3 extra considering the power cable. ;) 
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March 17, 2012 1:06:37 AM

... Did you also read the reviews of how bad OCZ is at returning MIRs? I don't doubt Antec is either but I wouldn't consider the MIRs a certain money back. Also what you just told me is the OCZ basically performs like the Antec for $15 more, $13 if you include the power cable. The power cable isn't even a huge deal if the OP has another computer as he can just use that one.

Again it's OPs choice. I really don't mind, I'm just getting facts straight that the Antec isn't crap in performance and in fact better...
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March 17, 2012 1:12:40 AM

aznshinobi said:
... Did you also read the reviews of how bad OCZ is at returning MIRs? I don't doubt Antec is either but I wouldn't consider the MIRs a certain money back. Also what you just told me is the OCZ basically performs like the Antec for $15 more, $13 if you include the power cable. The power cable isn't even a huge deal if the OP has another computer as he can just use that one.

Again it's OPs choice. I really don't mind, I'm just getting facts straight that the Antec isn't crap in performance and in fact better...

Yes I know Antec is great but only if you plan to buy their expensive models which are in fact the PSU's Antec is known for. I personally have a 1000W continuous PSU from Antec which is beautiful. But when looking at their mid-end models, there are better ones for the same or roughly the same price. And no I didn't say that the OCZ performs like an Antec, I said that even IF it did perform like one, the $13 would still be worth it. Now I'm pretty sure that the rebate should go through and if it does then the price difference would have only been $3 (The MIR worked for my Antec brilliantly, not saying that it will for everyone) and the $3 increase is more than definitely worth it.
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March 17, 2012 1:19:03 AM

This debate has gone for too long XD I think the OP should just pick one and not spend too much time between the two because in the long run the choice wont be that crucial. Both are really good PSU's. This debate is WAY too long. The choice should have been much more simple. Most people buy a good PSU in seconds and not think about too much but end up being happy for the long run. OP isn't running a jet engine and both PSU's are reliable if you don't take into account the reviews on Newegg. Now the ability to crossfire might not be possible with just a 650W PSU as the sites I have seen recommend a 700W PSU for two 7850's excluding Guru3D's review that says 650W is sufficient. That value may be a minimum requirement. Even still, IMO the 650W will be great.
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March 17, 2012 1:56:42 PM

<3 Again i aprecieaite you guys, choice has already been made and im happy with my comp now. Keep being awesome all.
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March 17, 2012 4:44:21 PM

That is great! May I know which one you have chosen?
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