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March 16, 2012 1:07:54 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: In about 1 month

Budget Range: ~2500 for build (keyboard/mouse/screen separately)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: mostly gaming

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: got deal on ncix so id prefer that site but open to suggestion

Country: canada

Overclocking + SLI or Crossfire: i dont even know the term so i guess no :p 

Monitor Resolution: was thinking 1280x1024,could use suggestion here

Additional Comments: looking for a pc witch can run most game on ultra setting (if possible in that price range) and since im building from scratch i need mouse/keyboard/speaker/headphone and screen,

thx

Edit: Configuartion so far

1 x Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW120A3K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
1 x Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse 5700DPI Weight Adjustable USB BLACK/GREY
1 x Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB
1 x Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120MM
1 x ASRock Z68 PRO3-M LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
1 x Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 Vengeance 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit
1 x AMD Radeon HD 7970 925MHZ 3GB 5.5GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E DVI HDMI 2 X Mini Display Port
1 x Antec Twelve Hundred 1200 V3 Full Tower Gaming Case 12X 5.25/3.5IN Bays 2.5IN USB 3.0 ATX Cpx
1 x Corsair Professional HX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan
1 x Logitech G510 Gaming Keyboard USB LCD Customizable Backlighting Integrated Audio 18 G-KEYS
1 x Logitech Z506 5.1 Surround Speaker System 75W RMS (choosed to go speaker rather than headphone)

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March 16, 2012 1:41:54 PM

NCIX is awesome. If you're planning to buy a whole rig all at once I suggest you call their sales department as they have some seriously amazing customer service and are known for giving steep discounts on bulk orders (I'm speaking from experience).

Monitor: If you're spending 2500 on a gaming rig you're definitely going to want something to take advantage of that, I recommend a Samsung 1920x1080 LED at a minimum, or if you're willing to splurge for something really awesome go for a Dell Ultrasharp at 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 (both of these will cost you a very pretty penny but are worth every single one). Do not under any circumstances get any el-cheapo garbage from LG or unknown manufacturer, the colour is always off

Overclocking: NVidia cards aren't known for having a ton of OC headroom, and honestly you don't need it if you buy a good card. AMD cards typically overclock quite well and this is certainly true for the 7000 series.

Country: Canada eh?

Mouse / Keyboard: Logitech hands down. This is doubly important since you're in Canada. If anything ever goes wrong Logitech will support you far better north of the border than any of their competitors. Plus their stuff is just plain awesome.
March 16, 2012 2:42:20 PM

thx for the insight on the monitor,this is exactly the kind of answer ive being awaiting before making a decision.

I had eye on the logitech stuff for keyboard /mouse but I wanted to make sure that they were worth it before choosing those,as for the card should i aim for one in particular or should i check for one with good quality/price?
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March 16, 2012 3:06:18 PM

hello op

u are going to game on this pc and you have a huge budget to get it :lol: 

this is what i suggest for 2500$ CAD

Corsair Special Edition White Graphite Series 600T Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811139005
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$15.00 Instant
$199.99
$184.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Cyborg CCB437050002/04/1 Black 5 Programmable Buttons and 2 regular left and right mouse buttons Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired ...
Item #: N82E16826102064
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$74.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ...
Item #: N82E16835103099
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
-$5.00 Instant
$36.99
$31.99
Subtotal: $291.97
Calculate Shipping
Postal Code Update Method
Shipping: $0.00
Handling: $0.00
GST/HST: $0.00
PST: $0.00

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Item #: N82E16827135204
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$20.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148840
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$119.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SAPPHIRE 11197-01-40G Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card OC Version
Item #: N82E16814102982
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
$579.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard
Item #: N82E16823109191
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$25.00 Instant
$59.99
$34.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
Item #: N82E16820233144
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant
$49.99
$44.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

ASRock H61DE/S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813157254
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$79.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ...
Item #: N82E16819115074
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$194.99
Subtotal: $1,075.93
Calculate Shipping

Shipping: $0.00
Handling: $0.00
GST/HST: $0.00
PST: $0.00

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


HP ZR30w Black 30" Height ,Tilt &Swivel Adjustable Widescreen LCD Monitor
Item #: N82E16824176177CVF
Return Policy: Monitor Replacement Only Return Policy
$120.00 Instant
$1,259.99
$1,139.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Grand Total = $2,507.89 :bounce: 



this build has the best cpu for buck and performance , the fastest single gpu graphic card and a 30" monitor of 2560 x 1600 7ms :o  :bounce: 


this build is gonna be awesome :love: 

hope this helps :hello: 
March 16, 2012 4:25:57 PM

Your budget will buy you a great gaming pc.

1) Start with the monitor. You indicated that monitor/kbd/are on a separate budget.
Buy the best monitor your budget will allow. It is one of the few future proof pc purchases you can buy today. It will serve you well for several generations.
Anandtech just had a nice review of a HP 2560 x 1400 monitor with a retail price of $700. Look at that.
Larger monitors with higher resolutions are great for gaming. You can see more of the area, but they take stronger graphics cards to be able to drive all of the pixels quickly.
There are also some 2560x1600 monitors, and that is as large as they go. They are more expensive, like $1000 or so.
One advantage of these monitors is the quality of the panels. They will allow a wider horizontal and vertical viewing angle of 178 degrees. Lesser quality monitors will seem to get washed out when viewed from the side.

2) To drive such a monitor well requires a strong graphics card. Today, a single GTX580 will do that well. Prices on GTX580 are being reduced to clear out inventory in anticipation of the GTX680 which is supposed to launch in a week or two. A GTX580 is now about $400(US). The 7970 is also available today, which is perhaps 30% more capable than the GTX580, and is currently the fastest single gpu card you can buy today. It would be my choice today for your budget. The graphics card is the real engine of great gaming. The 7970 at $550 is currently causing Nvidia some real pain. Rumors suggest, that the upcoming GTX680 will do the 7970 one better at a similar price.
In your time frame of 1 month, your options should be clear.

Sli or crossfire allow two graphics cards to combine their power to increase the frame rates. In general, this is of value when a single card can't do the job, or you are looking at triple monitor gaming. sli/cf of two lesser cards shoe impressive benchmarks, but are more susceptible to microstuttering.
Read this for an explanation:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

3) Today, the 2500K at about $220 is as good as it gets for gaming. Most games use only 2 or 3 cores, so the 4 core 2500K is plenty.
In april, the 22nm ivy bridge successor is supposed to launch. In a month, you options on that will be clearer. The 3570K will be priced similar to the 2500K, but offer 10% more performance, and can probably OC higher. If you must build before the 3570K is available, the 2500K will not disappoint. Just don't expect the 2500K to get a retail price reduction.

Today, there are no AMD cpu's that are as good for gaming. The 6 and 8 core chips are a good value for certain apps, but not for gaming. Their single core capability is just not that great.

4) A "K" suffix Intel cpu has the ability to raise the multiplier higher than the 33-35 that the stock chips guarantee. 90% can be safely raised to 40 and past, which is why you buy a "K"

5) To preserve your option to OC a "K", you will need a Z70 or P67 motherbiard. Z77 will also be available for ivy bridge launch. Most brands are OK, look for any particular features you want. Personally, I like smaller Micro-ATX motherboards which are usually cheaper and will fit in smaller cases. They will only have 4 expansion slots vs the 7 on full ATX motherboards. Past the graphics card, how many expansion cards does one really need? Not any, for most of us.

6) Plan on a SSD for the os, and some games. Look for a SSD of 120gb or more. That is large enough for the os and 6-8 games. A SSD will make everything you do feel so much snappier. Expect to pay $1.30 or so per gigabyte. Intel 520 or Samsung 830 are the most favored. If you should grow your drive needs, you can always add a hard drive later. Hard drive prices are high now due to the Thailand floods, so waiting will get you a lower price.

7) Cases are a personal thing. It needs to be able to hold your parts, and have decent airflow. I think a case with two 120mm intake(or exhaust) fans or equivalent will be all the airflow you really need. I like washable intake air filters to keep your case free of dust. For the M-ATX motherboard size, I use a Silverstone TJ08-E case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A perennial favorite larger case is the Antec 300 illusion model:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Lian li, NZXT and Corsair also have some nice cases.

"bling" is not my thing. If you are so inclined, look for a case you really love. Looks count. You will be using the case for a long time. Bust your budget here if you have to,
And you won't regret it.

8) Plan on an aftermarket cpu cooler with a large slow turning 120mm fan. It will keep your cpu cooler and quieter. It will be easier to install than the stock Intel pushpin coolers. No need to pay much, a $30 cm hyper212 or Xigmatek gail will do the job.

9) Onboard HD sound is very good these days, no discrete sound card is necessary. You could always add one later.
I can't talk about headphones. If you use headphones, there is little need for expensive speakers.
If you use speakers, do some research on good ones. Do not much look at wattage, but on the size of the subwoofer as a simple metric of value.

10) Buy a quality psu. My short list of quality PSU's would include Seasonic, PC P&C, Corsair, XFX, and Antec.
Modular or not should not be a real issue. You will be using most of the leads on a properly sized psu anyway. Modular is a plus when used in a small case.
Gold/silver efficiency is not an issue from an electricity cost point of view. A more efficient psu will not need the fan to work as hard, and should be a bit quieter.
As to sizing, A GTX580 needs a 600w psu. The more efficient 7970 needs only a 500w psu, and I expect Kepler GTX680 to only need the same. It would not be wrong to overprovision a bit and get a 650w unit.

I have no idea what all these suggestions will total up for you. I think it meets your budget.
Shop well and be patient.
March 16, 2012 4:54:59 PM

what i wanted to tell geofelt told before.

He just explain why i choose those parts/what to choose

the only thing is that i was going to suggest a seasonic psu but it will go out of budget :D 
March 18, 2012 3:23:04 PM

thx for the build ideas guys and i really appreciate the description you did geofelt,its clear and complete.

I edited the first page the pieces im curently looking into but still had questions about it

-does a build like that could be good to last a few year or should i change a few pieces to boost his longevity?

-is there any accessory that would be worth buying as extra? like buying a sound card or other thing ? just wondering if the sound get noticeably better or if there are other useful thing i am not aware of.

-and last if i want to change lets say the graphic card in some years, will it be able to support it or other piece i could change to keep up to date if the pc fall too much behind?

thx for the reply so far,really appreciate it
March 18, 2012 4:12:12 PM

kenricht said:
thx for the build ideas guys and i really appreciate the description you did geofelt,its clear and complete.

I edited the first page the pieces im curently looking into but still had questions about it

-does a build like that could be good to last a few year or should i change a few pieces to boost his longevity?

-is there any accessory that would be worth buying as extra? like buying a sound card or other thing ? just wondering if the sound get noticeably better or if there are other useful thing i am not aware of.

-and last if i want to change lets say the graphic card in some years, will it be able to support it or other piece i could change to keep up to date if the pc fall too much behind?

thx for the reply so far,really appreciate it


Most definitely, change the motherboard from a H67 chipset to a P67 or Z68 based motherboard. The cost difference will be minimal.
Without this change, you will not be able to OC the 2500K, and gain a nice cpu boost in the future.
Here is a similar Z68 motherboard.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Onboard HD sound is very good. I would start with that. I am told by professional gamers that a discrete sound card gives them a bit more. Of course, you could always add one later. See if you can't find a way to test one out for yourself before you buy a discrete sound card.

Nvidia GTX680 should launch this week. I would wait for that. It is rumored to beat the 7970 at about the same price.
By the end of the year, we should see dual gpu cards that are even more powerful, and only reasonable for multi-monitor rigs. Past that, who knows?
The pcie x16 slots are capable of several times the currently used bandwidth so I see plenty of expansion capability there.

The HP monitor is a 30" monitor vs a 27" for the dell. I think dell sells a similar 30" monitor.

More importantly, the HP 30" is 2560 x 1600 resolution vs 2560 x 1440. You get 10% more pixels, but the aspect ratio will be a bit different. The larger monitor will be a more squareish shape. Being old school, I happen to like that. The 2560 x 1440 monitor will look more like a TV with a more rectangular shape. If you can, go to a store and compare. Read this review of the HP 2560 x 1440 monitor: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5636/hp-zr2740w-high-reso...

Let me re-suggest adding a SSD for the os to your build.
March 18, 2012 5:06:13 PM

geofelt said:
Most definitely, change the motherboard from a H67 chipset to a P67 or Z68 based motherboard. The cost difference will be minimal.
Without this change, you will not be able to OC the 2500K, and gain a nice cpu boost in the future.
Here is a similar Z68 motherboard.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Onboard HD sound is very good. I would start with that. I am told by professional gamers that a discrete sound card gives them a bit more. Of course, you could always add one later. See if you can't find a way to test one out for yourself before you buy a discrete sound card.

Nvidia GTX680 should launch this week. I would wait for that. It is rumored to beat the 7970 at about the same price.
By the end of the year, we should see dual gpu cards that are even more powerful, and only reasonable for multi-monitor rigs. Past that, who knows?
The pcie x16 slots are capable of several times the currently used bandwidth so I see plenty of expansion capability there.

The HP monitor is a 30" monitor vs a 27" for the dell. I think dell sells a similar 30" monitor.

More importantly, the HP 30" is 2560 x 1600 resolution vs 2560 x 1440. You get 10% more pixels, but the aspect ratio will be a bit different. The larger monitor will be a more squareish shape. Being old school, I happen to like that. The 2560 x 1440 monitor will look more like a TV with a more rectangular shape. If you can, go to a store and compare. Read this review of the HP 2560 x 1440 monitor: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5636/hp-zr2740w-high-reso...

Let me re-suggest adding a SSD for the os to your build.


ive made the change on the motherboard and ssd,at first i took the previous motherboard because i couldnt find your suggestion on the site i was looking. For the ssd your right,i dont need that much memory and if i ever come to need more i can add a hard drive.

thx for clearing the issue on the sound card, I guess I will just keep the onboard hd sound,only wanted to be sure id have a good sound im not really aiming to have the "best" sound

im in no hurry so il definitely wait the Nvidia GTX680,might as well wait for the 3570K processor

ty for replying
March 18, 2012 5:35:32 PM

Looks good.

In the distant past, I tried a trackball mouse and did not much like it.
Am I missing something?
March 18, 2012 8:32:52 PM

this one was actually a copy/paste mistake,was aiming for

Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse 5700DPI Weight Adjustable USB BLACK/GREY
March 18, 2012 9:45:36 PM

kenricht said:
this one was actually a copy/paste mistake,was aiming for

Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse 5700DPI Weight Adjustable USB BLACK/GREY


The G500 is what I use. No complaints.
March 19, 2012 5:53:29 AM

but i suggested a better mouse rat 5
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