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In need of advice ati radeon 4200 upgrade

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January 12, 2012 12:44:40 AM

So my parents got me a computer for christmas, it is an hp6823w, with 4 gig's of ram, an ati radeon 4200 hd integrated graphics, and a 250w power supply.

I was wondering what would be a good graphics card/psu to upgrade too, because I am not really sure which graphics card / power supply would be best for the money. I am looking to play some bf3, my last computer, which I had for the longest time, had the ati radeon 9600 and an a7n8x motherboard. It has been a while since I have had a system upgrade and I would greatly appreciate any advice

my budget is 250
January 12, 2012 6:05:54 AM

is my computer and okay build then, if i add that psu and graphics card? What settings do you think i'd be able to run bf3 at? what about in the range of 150$ is there any card/psu that i could afford for that much which would enable me to play bf3?
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January 12, 2012 6:30:07 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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$180 total and would probably give you the best performance for your money. you can also get a nicer psu if you want to spend a bit more like the one DM186 recommended.

you can opt for the 6850 and save $10 but its not worth it. you also have not told us what your cpu is. I'd say you can run bf3 easily unless your cpu really sucks.
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January 12, 2012 6:54:18 AM

Black Mid-tower ATX chassis
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit pre-installed w/CoA
AMD Phenom II X2 521 3.5 GHz dual-core processor
AMD 785G chipset
4 GB DDR3 RAM
1 TB Serial ATA hard drive
DVD±RW DL Serial ATA Drive w/LightScribe
Integrated ATI Radeon 4200 graphics processing unit (GPU)
Integrated Realtek ALC888S-VD audio
Integrated Realtek RTL8105E 10/100 Fast Ethernet LAN
Built-in Digital Media Reader (15-in-1)
250W ATX power supply
USB keyboard & mouse included

are those video cards both good enough to run bf3? if so how well,

and

is my processor adequate? is it even what they say it is? because i heard someone once saying that it wasn't what they tote it to be, and it actually has an l2 cache?
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January 12, 2012 6:57:31 AM

and lastly, is there a video card for around 110, that would be enable me to play bf3? along with a power supply,
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January 12, 2012 7:02:38 AM

yes you'd be able to play bf3 as long as you are happy with medium settings

if you really want to drop to 110, its not really worth it but you can get a 6770.

the 6850 would be as low as I'd go for $130 with the psu I recommended earlier you are looking at $160.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 12, 2012 4:47:28 PM

how much would it be for a cpu upgrade? does anyone know about it?
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January 12, 2012 5:04:37 PM

too much to be worth it considering your budget

you'd want at least $100 to upgrade cpu.
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January 12, 2012 10:23:35 PM

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He is right you need 3 things a CPU, PSU. and a GPU 100 on the CPU. 50 on the PSU, and 130 on the GPU. So for around 280 to 300 is going to up lift you rig. You could buy one at a time untill you get all three. But to play BF3 on low you need to up grade the PSU and the GPU for sure.

I went to AMD web site and tried to find your CPU but couldent. The only one I could find was the 560 and the 565, not the 521. Here is a link to it. I was trying to find out where you would start to bottleneck with the AMD 6xxx series GPU's. I do wish you good luck on this.

http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/GRAPHICS/AMD-RAD...
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January 13, 2012 10:05:02 PM

so do i really need a cpu^ then? or just psu/gpu. your saying three things, but i just want to be able to play at a solid medium as far as graphics go, why isnt 6770 worth it? - would i be able to play on mid settings? or should i get the 6870 , and wht settings will it allow?

whats the deal with my processor?
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January 13, 2012 10:09:10 PM

if i had extra cash. like add another 100 would it be best to sink the extra 100 into graphics or cpu
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January 13, 2012 10:16:12 PM

I think you should just stick a 6870 in with a new psu.

your cpu should still be fine.
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January 13, 2012 11:01:55 PM

which 6870, there seem to be many
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January 13, 2012 11:09:14 PM

XFX is first choice thane MSI
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January 13, 2012 11:20:06 PM

what is xfx and msi, isn't ati radeon the manufacturer of the chip?

well which 6870 xfx, aren't there also several types of xfx 6870's?
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January 13, 2012 11:28:48 PM

I'm running a xfx 6850, and it runs BF3 on medium graphics at 1920x1080 with no problem. My CPU is much better, however, a Phenom II X4 955, as well as extra ram for running games.

You could run BF3 on and Athlon II x3 935, @ $90, with some medium settings.
You would still need at least a 500w power supply to run a 6850 and the CPU.
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January 13, 2012 11:32:44 PM

navyseals101 said:
what is xfx and msi, isn't ati radeon the manufacturer of the chip?

well which 6870 xfx, aren't there also several types of xfx 6870's?



The XFX's are the brand names. They are all good but you have to look at warranty and customer service. XFX in most cases offer life time warranties.
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January 13, 2012 11:34:11 PM

navyseals101 said:
which 6870, there seem to be many
any of them will work, depending on your budget constraints the difference is really just reliability and costumer service between the brands.
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January 13, 2012 11:45:22 PM

XFX offers a DOUBLE Lifetime warranty on all new AMD videocards except the Limited Edition 5970 as long as you register it online within 30 days of purchase. Double means you can sell the card to someone else and they will have a lifetime warranty also.

Here's a CPU for you Navy: AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2 Ghz $115. This and the 6850 will still run on that $50 500w corsair psu from above. I use an 850 because I overclock my CPU and motherboard. This cpu is very good for the price, and should run BF3 for you no prob with a 6850 or better GPU. It's also likely to be the best CPU you can use, as your motherboard only supports 95w processors.

If you can't afford the extra $15 then get this instead: AMD Phenom II 830 2.8 Ghz $90
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January 13, 2012 11:59:30 PM

XFX is the one I also recomend. I would add Evga but I don't see that card there and most people put the Evga with Nvidia as one of the best. All cards are good the basics all come from AMD. It's the Manf. who puts them together and Like I said before the warranty plus customer service it how define it.
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January 14, 2012 12:12:39 AM

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I agree good advise MasterXoen.
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January 14, 2012 12:15:54 AM

or he can get a generic 6870 and get a 960t for the same money for better performance
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January 14, 2012 2:42:06 AM

esrever said:
or he can get a generic 6870 and get a 960t for the same money for better performance

Do you want to burn out his mobo? His motherboard can only run 95w processors. The 9xx set are all 125w now. Only the 910 and it's replacement the 910e were 95w. The 910's were very underpowered, and generally didn't work as well as the 850, so AMD rebranded them into their own "Energy Efficient" tier and added an "e" to the end of it.

Navy, I assume you've peeked inside your case by now, so tell me how many RAM dimms you have installed. You should have 2 or 3 slots open for new RAM dimms, but if all your slots are filled your gonna need to replace your RAM entirely when you upgrade it.
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January 14, 2012 4:26:10 AM

the 960t is 95 watts
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January 14, 2012 2:45:22 PM

that still confused me, so many different brands to chose from, amd is the manufacturer? well who is ati radeon then, and xfx? so long as it is a good brand and all and not some knocl.yck off ill be happy. thank you everyone for helping me upgrade my computer. seems like stuff can add up really quickly. i just want to play bf3 and do occasional school work/ khan academy, thats what matters most really is getting my education, and thats why they got me a computer. it kind of suprises me how large the power supplies have to be for the added gpu seems like a big increase in power over the 250w, the 250w was kind of cool because of how small it is.. 500w seems to be a lot. but no complaints there, i'd like to thank everyone who took the time to help me out
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January 14, 2012 5:02:13 PM

i'm not really looking to spend top dollar, why would i want to upgrade my ram? i haven't opened it up yet, but i've looked through a vent hole

so the biggest improvement for my computer for 325 would be graphics psu and cpu?.
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January 14, 2012 7:50:14 PM

would my system be maxed with the XFX Double D Radeon HD 6870 1GB for 190$ or is there a better graphics card for my mobo?

how bad is my processor, what is the deal with it - someone, somewhere said that it was not what they said it was.
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January 22, 2012 11:45:19 PM

esrever said:
the 960t is 95 watts


I wasn't aware of that, however, the 960t is a zosma cpu based on the 6-core thuban design rather than the 4-core deneb. A lot of people have reported compatibility problems with low budget mobo's and the thuban processors. I wouldn't risk wasting the money. Also, the thuban design does not overclock well at all, being more fussy and unstable than the deneb. Sometimes the chips don't tolerate any overclocking, though that should not be a consideration here. AMD announced it as being 125w, so that's how I remember it.

navyseals101 said:
that still confused me, so many different brands to chose from, amd is the manufacturer? well who is ati radeon then, and xfx? so long as it is a good brand and all and not some knocl.yck off ill be happy. thank you everyone for helping me upgrade my computer. seems like stuff can add up really quickly. i just want to play bf3 and do occasional school work/ khan academy, thats what matters most really is getting my education, and thats why they got me a computer. it kind of suprises me how large the power supplies have to be for the added gpu seems like a big increase in power over the 250w, the 250w was kind of cool because of how small it is.. 500w seems to be a lot. but no complaints there, i'd like to thank everyone who took the time to help me out


You always want a power supply that provides more than what you need, as power usage tends to spike and dip. So if you need an average of 350w and that's all your psu supplies and then the needs spike to 400w for a few seconds, your going to have problems, one of which is possibly burning out your psu. My system uses 725w on average so I use an 850w psu.

ATI was what's known as a 1st party manufacturer. ATI would design a GPU, then create what is called a "reference board", or a default graphics card for that GPU if you will. These are sold for a short time and in low numbers in order to generate a market for the new GPU. Then they sell the design schematic to what is usually referred to as 2nd party manufacturing companies, such as ASUS, MSI, BFG, XFX, EVGA, HIS, and others. They take the design schematic and use it as a reference to manufacture there own graphics cards for the GPU. These are manufactured in large numbers and with various specs and sold to retail stores.

ATI was absorbed into AMD a couple of years ago, before that they were partner companies. AMD has retired the ATI Radeon brand name as of the 6000 series AMD Radeon GPU's, and now just uses the AMD Radeon brand name.

navyseals101 said:
would my system be maxed with the XFX Double D Radeon HD 6870 1GB for 190$ or is there a better graphics card for my mobo?

how bad is my processor, what is the deal with it - someone, somewhere said that it was not what they said it was.


Your motherboard only supports a 95w processor at the max, while the most powerful AMD processors are 125w or 140w depending upon the processor number and revision. Anything higher than a 6870 will likely overtax the processors your motherboard supports by demanding more information than can be processed, a situation that is called "bottle necking".

Here is a list of many of the currently manufactured cpu's ranked by tier. AMD designates it's processors with numbers ending in 5 or 0, such as the 955 or the 960. Also, your CPU is a dual core, where the one I suggested is a 4-core. A 4-core performs better at lower speeds than a dual core does at higher speeds. The 830 I suggested is in the same tier as the 945 and 810.

Also, your CPU is something of an Anomaly. The higher the number AMD uses to designate it's processors the faster the speed. There is no listing of a 521 on AMD's website which makes me think it's a heavily overclocked 540. The 560 is only 3.3 GHz processor and the 540 is 3 GHz even. Your 521 is supposed to be 3.5 GHZ, and I can't find any listing of a Phenom II X2 lower than the 540. I'd replace it just because there doesn't seem to be any info on it. Download CPU-Z from www.CPUID.com and run the program to see what info it says. Then post the processor name, code name, and specification.

As to ram, I reference this page, where they find that video cards running on 64-bit OS's use just under 3GB of system ram when you have 8 GB or more installed. This allows a Video card to perform better, providing better graphics.

I still stand by my upgrade suggestions.

Edit: I just found your CPU, it's a re-branded athlon II 275. The 275 was never released and likely would have been in the same tier as the 265. They rebranded the cpu under the codename Regor, and like all athlon cpu's, it has no L3 cache. The L3 cache is very helpful for gaming, well, it's helpful for everything, actually. I suggest you follow my upgrade suggestions.
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January 22, 2012 11:57:00 PM

Finally found the Memory info for your board:

Memory upgrade information

Dual channel memory architecture
Four DDR3 DIMMs (240-pin) sockets
PC3-8500 (DDR3-1066)
PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333)
Non-ECC memory only, unbuffered
Supports 1GB, 2GB, and 4GB DDR3 DIMMs
Supports up to 16 GB on 64-bit systems
Supports up to 4 GB on 32-bit PCs
*32-bit PCs cannot address a full 4.0 GB of memory.

So, next year or so, I would install another 4 GB of ram, in the form of two 2 GB dimms if you already have 2 dimms in the system. If you have four dimms, each being 1 GB, then you'll need to replace them all with 2 GB dimms or just buy two 4 GB dimms. This isn't immediately necessary. Spend $350 on your system this year, and then spend $50-$100 next year on ram, and your system should be all you need for about 3-4 years in regards to gaming. If you don't play a lot of games the system could satisfy your needs for the next 6 years with ease.
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January 23, 2012 1:26:48 AM

Get a Radeon 5770 on eBay for suuuper cheap and then get a nice 450w or 500w psu on Newegg.
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January 23, 2012 7:08:38 AM

MasterZoen said:
Err, that was only his first bump...


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